Weiberg leaves over football revenue sharing problems

[77buff]

Big 12 schools share revenue evenly, except for football television contract money. The smaller-budget schools mostly in the North feel slighted. The bigger budgeted teams say success breads exposure. A smaller budget school like CU has to make a monster non-conference schedule to get TV contract money. The FSU game is a nationally televised game for CU.
I don't like the revenue sharing because teams like KU can make a cream puff non-conference schedule and still get the same revenue as another North team like KSU that opens on the road against Auburn. You get what you pay for - who wants to watch Iowa State vs Kent State?

[Skidmark]

B12 has no tradition.
It's lopsided towards the South.
Screw the states of Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri and Kansas.

It's BS that the B12 championship sites are in "nuetral" location like Houston, Dallas or St. Louis. Who the hell want's to visit Stillwater or Lubbock? And those are some of the closer rival schools.

I say the Buffs and the fans would enjoy a stint in the Pac 10.
Let me take this on farther.
My dream B12 league:

East:
AFA (Nod to our heros in uniform. Those Cadets out sex-scandal anybody).
BYU (close to Alta - talk about a school w/ a superiority complex)
CU
CSU (low-budget road-trip. Always fun to silence the lambs),
NU (for the 'rivalry'. Need somone to write about on these forums)
Wyo (League doormat - preferably close to home)

West
ASU (luv the desert in Oct/Nov),
Cal (Berkeley & Boulder in the same conference? groovy man)
USC (gotta beat the best to be the best),
UCLA (rotate schedules with USC and visit SoCal every year)
Stanford (Brainy school to knock around)
UNLV (ultimate road-trip and a guaranteed win)

There wouldn't be a bad Championship game location.
Put that in you pipe and smoke it.

[sackman]

I haven't seen the numbers for a few years, but the last time I checked, CU was hardly a smaller budget school. We were right behind UT, A&M and *ebraska the last time I looked. I suspect OU might be ahead of us by now. I'm pretty certain that we're in the top half of the league in terms of athletic budget.

[4DemBuffs]

My dream B12 league:

East:
AFA (Nod to our heros in uniform. Those Cadets out sex-scandal anybody).
BYU (close to Alta - talk about a school w/ a superiority complex)
CU
CSU (low-budget road-trip. Always fun to silence the lambs),
NU (for the 'rivalry'. Need somone to write about on these forums)
Wyo (League doormat - preferably close to home)

West
ASU (luv the desert in Oct/Nov),
Cal (Berkeley & Boulder in the same conference? groovy man)
USC (gotta beat the best to be the best),
UCLA (rotate schedules with USC and visit SoCal every year)
Stanford (Brainy school to knock around)
UNLV (ultimate road-trip and a guaranteed win)

There wouldn't be a bad Championship game location.
Put that in you pipe and smoke it.

:wtf::bs::puke:

[Junction]

:wtf::bs::puke:

:yeahthat: :wow:

[ladyblaise]

B12 has no tradition.
It's lopsided towards the South.
Screw the states of Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri and Kansas.

It's BS that the B12 championship sites are in "nuetral" location like Houston, Dallas or St. Louis. Who the hell want's to visit Stillwater or Lubbock? And those are some of the closer rival schools.

I say the Buffs and the fans would enjoy a stint in the Pac 10.
Let me take this on farther.
My dream B12 league:

East:
AFA (Nod to our heros in uniform. Those Cadets out sex-scandal anybody).
BYU (close to Alta - talk about a school w/ a superiority complex)
CU
CSU (low-budget road-trip. Always fun to silence the lambs),
NU (for the 'rivalry'. Need somone to write about on these forums)
Wyo (League doormat - preferably close to home)

West
ASU (luv the desert in Oct/Nov),
Cal (Berkeley & Boulder in the same conference? groovy man)
USC (gotta beat the best to be the best),
UCLA (rotate schedules with USC and visit SoCal every year)
Stanford (Brainy school to knock around)
UNLV (ultimate road-trip and a guaranteed win)

There wouldn't be a bad Championship game location.
Put that in you pipe and smoke it.

honestly? that looks like a nightmare league of monumental proportions, to me...

[BIGREDIOWAN]

Based on that East/West conference it looks like we would have the same type of problem we have now. The West would be way more dominate for some time and it would be a constant catch-up game for all of us in the East? Mark my words UCLA is going to topple USC for next couple of years and are going to become the better team. They are getting some good recruits in there.

[Skidmark]

"Bohn said it was too early to speculate on whom any potential replacements for Weiberg might be. He did, however, deflect the notion of he himself being interested in the job, saying, "I'm 100-percent focused on the University of Colorado and trying to help us grow." - Daily Camera

Psst. Gary Barnett is available.

[exxon]

:wtf::bs::puke:
:yeahthat:

[77buff]

I haven't seen the numbers for a few years, but the last time I checked, CU was hardly a smaller budget school. We were right behind UT, A&M and *ebraska the last time I looked. I suspect OU might be ahead of us by now. I'm pretty certain that we're in the top half of the league in terms of athletic budget.
If we are not a smaller budget school, why has it taken so long to get a freakin indoor practice facility. KU and KSU have had one for years and the weather is alot colder in Boulder than it is in Lawrence or Manhattan. We also don't have a baseball program because of the budget.

[sackman]

If we are not a smaller budget school, why has it taken so long to get a freakin indoor practice facility. KU and KSU have had one for years and the weather is alot colder in Boulder than it is in Lawrence or Manhattan. We also don't have a baseball program because of the budget.

Actually, the weather is NOT a lot colder here than it is in Lawrence and/or Manhattan. You should know that. Truth be told, the weather here is probably better than anyplace else in the conference. That doesn't mean we don't need the bubble - we do.

Like I said, I haven't seen the numbers for a few years, so it may be different now. But I would still expect that we have a larger athletic budget than 7 of the other 11 teams in the league.

[unbiasedtruth]

Big 12 schools share revenue evenly, except for football television contract money. The smaller-budget schools mostly in the North feel slighted. The bigger budgeted teams say success breads exposure. A smaller budget school like CU has to make a monster non-conference schedule to get TV contract money. The FSU game is a nationally televised game for CU.
I don't like the revenue sharing because teams like KU can make a cream puff non-conference schedule and still get the same revenue as another North team like KSU that opens on the road against Auburn. You get what you pay for - who wants to watch Iowa State vs Kent State?

The only monies not shared are those from TV contracts... i.e. nationally televised games. You make a point about killer non-conference schedules for thr smaller schools, but fail to mention the killer non conference schedules of the so-called larger schools. Every school needs to schedule tougher non-conference games. 11 of the 12 teams in the Big XII in 2006 schedule Div 2A schools, with the exception being Oklahoma. If you want the money, then work towards the exposure. Play the tougher non-conference games and hopefully the game will be televised nationally. Oh btw.... this is what brought the horns and ags to the Big XII, Texas was being looked at by the Pac10 and A&M by the SEC when the SWC began to crumble down....

and for the record, it was mentioned in the article I read that Texas leads the Big XII with a 83 mil athletic budget, followed closely by A&M. Being a Texas paper they stopped there.

[chipwich]

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[MSBuff]

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very astute and informative

[InTheBuff]

B12 has no tradition.
It's lopsided towards the South.
Screw the states of Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri and Kansas.

It's BS that the B12 championship sites are in "nuetral" location like Houston, Dallas or St. Louis. Who the hell want's to visit Stillwater or Lubbock? And those are some of the closer rival schools.

I say the Buffs and the fans would enjoy a stint in the Pac 10.
Let me take this on farther.
My dream B12 league:

East:
AFA (Nod to our heros in uniform. Those Cadets out sex-scandal anybody).
BYU (close to Alta - talk about a school w/ a superiority complex)
CU
CSU (low-budget road-trip. Always fun to silence the lambs),
NU (for the 'rivalry'. Need somone to write about on these forums)
Wyo (League doormat - preferably close to home)

West
ASU (luv the desert in Oct/Nov),
Cal (Berkeley & Boulder in the same conference? groovy man)
USC (gotta beat the best to be the best),
UCLA (rotate schedules with USC and visit SoCal every year)
Stanford (Brainy school to knock around)
UNLV (ultimate road-trip and a guaranteed win)

There wouldn't be a bad Championship game location.
Put that in you pipe and smoke it.

csu ?? Wyoming ?? UNLV ?? AFA ??
:wtf::wtf:

maybe BYU and Utah but that's it IMHO-

[Duff Man]

Mark my words UCLA is going to topple USC for next couple of years and are going to become the better team. They are getting some good recruits in there.

USC is getting better recruits though, and USC also has the better coaching staff. UCLA might close the gap, but I don't see them surpassing USC.

[DBT]

USC is getting better recruits though, and USC also has the better coaching staff. UCLA might close the gap, but I don't see them surpassing USC.

How much trouble does a usc player get into if he loses his team issued bullet proof vest? Does Nike just make them another one?

[MiamiBuffs]

My Fantasy Conference looks like this;

North;
Colorado
Washington
Michigan
Nebraska
Penn State
Notre Dame

South
Miami :smile2:
Florida State
LSU
Texas
Usc
Texas A&M (gotta have a freak show)

I call it the Continental Conference.

[77buff]

Actually, the weather is NOT a lot colder here than it is in Lawrence and/or Manhattan. You should know that. Truth be told, the weather here is probably better than anyplace else in the conference. That doesn't mean we don't need the bubble - we do.

Like I said, I haven't seen the numbers for a few years, so it may be different now. But I would still expect that we have a larger athletic budget than 7 of the other 11 teams in the league.
The U.S. Department of Education has only 4 schools in the Big 12 with smaller budgets than C.U. I was transferred to the K.C. area 14 years ago after living in Golden for 12 years. I have never seen a snowfall in K.C. of more than 6 inches, and during a normal year it snows less than a half dozen times. Check out this link:
http://blogs.cjonline.com/index.php?entry=3573

[ladyblaise]

The only monies not shared are those from TV contracts... i.e. nationally televised games. You make a point about killer non-conference schedules for thr smaller schools, but fail to mention the killer non conference schedules of the so-called larger schools. Every school needs to schedule tougher non-conference games. 11 of the 12 teams in the Big XII in 2006 schedule Div 2A schools, with the exception being Oklahoma. If you want the money, then work towards the exposure. Play the tougher non-conference games and hopefully the game will be televised nationally. Oh btw.... this is what brought the horns and ags to the Big XII, Texas was being looked at by the Pac10 and A&M by the SEC when the SWC began to crumble down....

and for the record, it was mentioned in the article I read that Texas leads the Big XII with a 83 mil athletic budget, followed closely by A&M. Being a Texas paper they stopped there.

clearly, you are begging for the ski boot treatment for your father's day present. colorado tends to lead the pack year in and year out with tough ooc schedules, so you are preaching to the choir.

i think you are going to have to sit smewhere else this year for the ou/cu game than with me. :censored::yell::pissed::beerme:

[Hank]

The U.S. Department of Education has only 4 schools in the Big 12 with smaller budgets than C.U. I was transferred to the K.C. area 14 years ago after living in Golden for 12 years. I have never seen a snowfall in K.C. of more than 6 inches, and during a normal year it snows less than a half dozen times. Check out this link:
http://blogs.cjonline.com/index.php?entry=3573

I have lived in both KC and Colorado. KC is WAY colder. Colorado rarely has days where it's so cold that it hurts. KC has them all the time.

According to MSN weather, the average highs for the month of January are 46 for Boulder and 38 for KC. Consider the effect of the humidity, and it's much much colder in KC.

[Lt.Col.FrankSlade]

I am pretty sure that the television contract for Big 12 games is split evenly amongst the schools. So there are only four games a year where Big 12 teams don't share television revenues.


As for the athletic department budgets -- Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas, and Texas A&M all have much larger athletic dept. budgets. (The UT budget almost doubles CU's budget) Colorado is right in the same area with Missouri and Texas Tech.


As for the reason why we don't have a bubble-- I doubt that an indoor practice bubble is a budgeted item. You don't add a $5 million dollar budget item one year, and have it gone the next. Other schools got indoor facilities first because they received the private funding to construct such facilities much sooner than CU did

[sackman]

The U.S. Department of Education has only 4 schools in the Big 12 with smaller budgets than C.U. I was transferred to the K.C. area 14 years ago after living in Golden for 12 years. I have never seen a snowfall in K.C. of more than 6 inches, and during a normal year it snows less than a half dozen times. Check out this link:
http://blogs.cjonline.com/index.php?entry=3573

Smaller overall budget perhaps, but not a smaller athletic budget. Remember that Colorado is in a serious funding pinch for higher education right now, and all of the state schools are tightening down. I would still put CU's athletic budget behind OU, UT, A&M, & Nebraska and nobody else - probably.

And are you actually going to try and convince me that the weather in Colorado is worse than it is in Kansas City?

[Waylon Van Smack]

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=223778

I did not see this article posted, sorry if iit is a duplicate but it is an interesting take.

[sackman]

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=223778

I did not see this article posted, sorry if iit is a duplicate but it is an interesting take.

I have to take issue with this guy's contention that the B-12 is way behind the SEC/ACC/B-10/P-10. We're one year removed from a football national championship and a women's basketball national championship. And we're somehow sucking wind? Then there's all the minor sports like Skiing and cross country where CU does very well. I don't get it. :confused:

[77buff]

Smaller overall budget perhaps, but not a smaller athletic budget. Remember that Colorado is in a serious funding pinch for higher education right now, and all of the state schools are tightening down. I would still put CU's athletic budget behind OU, UT, A&M, & Nebraska and nobody else - probably.

And are you actually going to try and convince me that the weather in Colorado is worse than it is in Kansas City?

If you read the link it says Athletic Budgets, not overall budgets. I graduated
from CU in 1977 and while I would much rather still be living in Colorado, I can guarantee you the weather here is milder than Boulder. I can play golf here in KC about 11 months out of the year. Golf and good bbq are the only good things about KC. Boulder is also over 5,000 ft higher in elevation than KC - the laws of physics say that produces colder weather, go to any ****ing weather site in the winter and compare the temps for yourself.
Big 12 Athletic budgets
Texas $97 million
A&M $70 million
OU $64 million
NU $64 million
KU $63 million
OSU $54 million
T Tech $53 million
CU $47 million
MU $45 million
KSU $43 million
ISU $33 million
Baylor - who gives a rat's ass

[sackman]

If you read the link it says Athletic Budgets, not overall budgets. I graduated
from CU in 1977 and while I would much rather still be living in Colorado, I can guarantee you the weather here is milder than Boulder. I can play golf here in KC about 11 months out of the year. Golf and good bbq are the only good things about KC. Boulder is also over 5,000 ft higher in elevation than KC - the laws of physics say that produces colder weather, go to any ****ing weather site in the winter and compare the temps for yourself.
Big 12 Athletic budgets
Texas $97 million
A&M $70 million
OU $64 million
NU $64 million
KU $63 million
OSU $54 million
T Tech $53 million
CU $47 million
MU $45 million
KSU $43 million
ISU $33 million
Baylor - who gives a rat's ass


Well, like I said, it's been a few years since I last saw the numbers. It's pathetic that we're behind the likes of Kansas and OSU. I hope we turn that around soon.

[ladyblaise]

The U.S. Department of Education has only 4 schools in the Big 12 with smaller budgets than C.U. I was transferred to the K.C. area 14 years ago after living in Golden for 12 years. I have never seen a snowfall in K.C. of more than 6 inches, and during a normal year it snows less than a half dozen times. Check out this link:
http://blogs.cjonline.com/index.php?entry=3573

it was witch tit cold for the b12 championship game, and there had been a huge dump of snow all over.

[Bone Buff]

B12 has no tradition.
It's lopsided towards the South.
Screw the states of Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri and Kansas.

It's BS that the B12 championship sites are in "nuetral" location like Houston, Dallas or St. Louis. Who the hell want's to visit Stillwater or Lubbock? And those are some of the closer rival schools.

I say the Buffs and the fans would enjoy a stint in the Pac 10.
Let me take this on farther.
My dream B12 league:

East:
AFA (Nod to our heros in uniform. Those Cadets out sex-scandal anybody).
BYU (close to Alta - talk about a school w/ a superiority complex)
CU
CSU (low-budget road-trip. Always fun to silence the lambs),
NU (for the 'rivalry'. Need somone to write about on these forums)
Wyo (League doormat - preferably close to home)

West
ASU (luv the desert in Oct/Nov),
Cal (Berkeley & Boulder in the same conference? groovy man)
USC (gotta beat the best to be the best),
UCLA (rotate schedules with USC and visit SoCal every year)
Stanford (Brainy school to knock around)
UNLV (ultimate road-trip and a guaranteed win)

There wouldn't be a bad Championship game location.
Put that in you pipe and smoke it.

Ack, the East sucks and that West is STACKED.

But its just a fantasy anyway. The PAC10 isn't changing anytime soon.

[MiamiBuffs]

I have to take issue with this guy's contention that the B-12 is way behind the SEC/ACC/B-10/P-10. We're one year removed from a football national championship and a women's basketball national championship. And we're somehow sucking wind? Then there's all the minor sports like Skiing and cross country where CU does very well. I don't get it. :confused:

The SEC is heads and shoulders above us, across the board. They have many stadiums larger than those in our conference. They have an exclusive contract with CBS. I believe they also have larger budgets and each school has all 3 major sports (baseball). All the schools in this conference kick ass in Football save one or two. They are strong from top to bottom. They have high participation and high attendance. All the schools are also clustered very closely together.

The Big 10 is probably slightly better than the Big XII. Most of the schools are pretty good. Big Budgets and Big Facilities.

The Pac 10 is kind of weak.

The ACC is new and may morph into what we currently have in terms of a lopsided conference with a hodgepodge of schools.

I see the Big XII as mid tier. Most of our stadium are in the 60k range and they don't sell out. Our budgets are smaller and our conference is totally lopsided. Oklahoma or Texas are totally unchallenged and they will be penciled in every year. We really need NU to make a comeback as the dominant team for the sake of the conference. We need the Buffs to comeback as well (or someone else) to challenge NUs dominance and make it interesting. The North is incredibly boring.

[BlackNGold]

B12 has no tradition.
It's lopsided towards the South.
Screw the states of Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri and Kansas.

It's BS that the B12 championship sites are in "nuetral" location like Houston, Dallas or St. Louis. Who the hell want's to visit Stillwater or Lubbock? And those are some of the closer rival schools.

I say the Buffs and the fans would enjoy a stint in the Pac 10.
Let me take this on farther.
My dream B12 league:

East:
AFA (Nod to our heros in uniform. Those Cadets out sex-scandal anybody).
BYU (close to Alta - talk about a school w/ a superiority complex)
CU
CSU (low-budget road-trip. Always fun to silence the lambs),
NU (for the 'rivalry'. Need somone to write about on these forums)
Wyo (League doormat - preferably close to home)

West
ASU (luv the desert in Oct/Nov),
Cal (Berkeley & Boulder in the same conference? groovy man)
USC (gotta beat the best to be the best),
UCLA (rotate schedules with USC and visit SoCal every year)
Stanford (Brainy school to knock around)
UNLV (ultimate road-trip and a guaranteed win)

There wouldn't be a bad Championship game location.
Put that in you pipe and smoke it.


Your dream is my nightmare!!! A schedule of playing AFA, CSU, WYO, UNLV really makes me want to go out and buy tickets...NOT....

[ladyblaise]

We really need NU to make a comeback as the dominant team for the sake of the conference. We need the Buffs to comeback as well (or someone else) to challenge NUs dominance and make it interesting. The North is incredibly boring.

speak for yourself. i would be happy seeing the north improve as a whole, and to see several schools duke it out with cu for the north each year.

the red can die in hades for all i am concerned.

[Liver]

let's just join the p10 and end this stupid experiment with the cheating bastards of the swc.

we have nothing in common, culturally, academically, or socially with the vast majority of schools in our conference. back in the old days of the big 8, there were some historical reasons for the mix but now there is just nothing. no tradition at all.

ut is a very good school and they too would be an ok fit for the p10 but why would they ever want to leave when they basically control their current conference? other than ut, who in the b12 are really CU's "peer" schools?

we've got tons of alums up and down the west coast and our fans have always travelled well to "good" locations. the p10 is full of good locations... the b12, not so much...

i hate the b12. i hate that it is controlled by freaking texans. let's take our ball and leave. i promise you, we won't miss it.

hell, i would even propose that CU keeps the annual thxsgiving game with the fuskers as our big intersectional ooc game every year, but the fuskers would never agree to that-- their pinkskirts might get wrinkled.

[ladyblaise]

let's just join the p10 and end this stupid experiment with the cheating bastards of the swc.

we have nothing in common, culturally, academically, or socially with the vast majority of schools in our conference. back in the old days of the big 8, there were some historical reasons for the mix but now there is just nothing. no tradition at all.

ut is a very good school and they too would be an ok fit for the p10 but why would they ever want to leave when they basically control their current conference? other than ut, who in the b12 are really CU's "peer" schools?

we've got tons of alums up and down the west coast and our fans have always travelled well to "good" locations. the p10 is full of good locations... the b12, not so much...

i hate the b12. i hate that it is controlled by freaking texans. let's take our ball and leave. i promise you, we won't miss it.

hell, i would even propose that CU keeps the annual thxsgiving game with the fuskers as our big intersectional ooc game every year, but the fuskers would never agree to that-- their pinkskirts might get wrinkled.


it is an intriguing thought, and maybe we should have grabbed the ring when the chance was there.

[Liver]

it is an intriguing thought, and maybe we should have grabbed the ring when the chance was there.

i think the opportunity would be there again if we wanted it.

the tough part is how to split up the p10 conference into divisions and who the 12th team would be. none of the current p10 schools want to be separated from the socal schools because of the attendance boon and other things. but, if the ncaa would let them play a conf. champ. game without divisions (but with 12 teams in the conf.) then i think it could work...

each team would have a "rival" team that it would play every year... oregon/oregon state, wash/wsu, ucla/usc, asu/ua, cal/stanford, and CU/[insert new team here-- utah? csu? who knows?].

then, you rotate the other teams you play evenly like the b10 does it. so, you wouldn't play any team except your rival every year, but you'd still play everyone enough that it would be pretty fair.

this would work. the only hard part is finding the 12th team. there has been talk about utah and csu, but they'd really need to up their budgets and facilities to be considered. byu is also talked about, but i think there is some resistance to them on a cultural fit basis.

[77buff]

[QUOTE=sackman;184294]Well, like I said, it's been a few years since I last saw the numbers. It's pathetic that we're behind the likes of Kansas and OSU. I hope we turn that around soon.[/QUOTE
It can be turned around - Bohn is a good man and the CU alumni base is affluent, it just hasn't been tapped yet.

[MiamiBuffs]

i think the opportunity would be there again if we wanted it.

the tough part is how to split up the p10 conference into divisions and who the 12th team would be. none of the current p10 schools want to be separated from the socal schools because of the attendance boon and other things. but, if the ncaa would let them play a conf. champ. game without divisions (but with 12 teams in the conf.) then i think it could work...

each team would have a "rival" team that it would play every year... oregon/oregon state, wash/wsu, ucla/usc, asu/ua, cal/stanford, and CU/[insert new team here-- utah? csu? who knows?].

then, you rotate the other teams you play evenly like the b10 does it. so, you wouldn't play any team except your rival every year, but you'd still play everyone enough that it would be pretty fair.

this would work. the only hard part is finding the 12th team. there has been talk about utah and csu, but they'd really need to up their budgets and facilities to be considered. byu is also talked about, but i think there is some resistance to them on a cultural fit basis.

You just want a CU game in your backyard once a year. :smile2:

We could join and it would end up probably like the Big 10 is now. Somethings to consider;
The travel would be expensive for CU since we would be the furthest east team.
We'd be totally eliminated from the East Coast TV markets and most Central markets.


Who would be the 12th team if their was one? Academics are apparently an issue to get into the Pac 10.


BYU
Utah
Fresno State
Boise State
CSU
Nevada
UNLV
New Mexico
New Mexico State


As you can see there aren't a ton of options.

[sackman]

the red can die in hades for all i am concerned.

Admittedly, I'm a stickler for small details like this, but humor me for just a moment while I splain sumpin' to you...

In Greek mythology, everybody who dies goes to Hades. It's neither heaven nor hell. It's just where people go who are dead. There's nothing horrible about the place. It's not hot (as in "damn, it's hotter than Hades around here"). So it's technically impossible for somebody to "die in Hades", as they would have to be dead prior to their arrival anyway.

The term "Hades" was used both as a description of a place (the afterlife) and as a person/God, as in Hades, the Greek God of the Underworld. Hades (the God) was Zeus' brother (along with Poseidon).

Sorry 'bout that. I see so many misuses of Greek mythological terminology that I sometimes feel compelled to correct the mistake. I once got into an argument with a woman who insisted that the Trojans won the Trojan War. :bang:

[El Gringo]

I once got into an argument with a woman who insisted that the Trojans won the Trojan War. :bang:

She was probably a USC fan...

[sackman]

She was probably a USC fan...

heh- yeah probably. I always wonder why schools choose Trojans as their mascot. The Trojans lost the only war anybody knows about. And they lost it by getting fooled. They basically lost because they were stupid and vain. That makes for a great mascot, doesn't it? :lol:

Wow, talk about a thread jack. :wow:

[Liver]

You just want a CU game in your backyard once a year. :smile2:

We could join and it would end up probably like the Big 10 is now. Somethings to consider;
The travel would be expensive for CU since we would be the furthest east team.
We'd be totally eliminated from the East Coast TV markets and most Central markets.


Who would be the 12th team if their was one? Academics are apparently an issue to get into the Pac 10.


BYU
Utah
Fresno State
Boise State
CSU
Nevada
UNLV
New Mexico
New Mexico State


As you can see there aren't a ton of options.

the p10 wants to go to 12 TEAMS (edit: not games, teams), not 11. they want the conference championship game and you have to have 12 to do that.

so, yeah, the biggest obstacle is finding the 12th team. i think it will be someone like utah or csu IF they can get their budgets and facilities in line. the p10 would never touch unlv or fresno or teams like that--- the academics are just too far off and the p10 coaches REALLY hate fresno because they pick up all kinds of guys that the p10 can't touch. byu is sometimes mentioned as a possibility but they are a bad cultural fit with the p10. but, stranger things have happened. nm and nmsu and nevada don't have any of the support you need. boise state is on a growth curve but they are probably still a ways away from being able to make such a big jump. remember you have to guarantee a certain attendance level and a certain number of sports and a certain minimum budget.

i think csu or utah or byu would be the closest to being able to pull it off but take the sheep for example... they'd have to build a new stadium and probably increase their athletic budget by 50% or something.

[Lt.Col.FrankSlade]

These things go in cycles. For the first six or so years of the conference the Big 12 South sucked. I don't actually think the Big 12 North is that bad -- it is just grossly outbalanced by three teams in the Big 12 South.

OU/Texas/A&M are the class of the conference. That is what happens when you spend all your money on your athletic program. Nebraska is the only school in the Big 12 North who can match their money - and that is just the way it is.

[Highwalker]

The travel argument for CU not being the PAC10 is bunk. Flying to these towns is really no harder than what they already do. Washington State and Oregon State would be the two that are hardest to get to. No worse than Waco of Lubbock.

[absinthe]

The real challenge is who is number 12 of the list above only BYU is viable from an acedemics and tradition stand point, out side of that who could the look at? Hawai'i? Gonzaga would be interesting froma Basketball satandpoint but they have no football.

This is one of the larger hurdles to over come in the pac-12 issue who is number 12?

[92Buff]

Wasn't the rumor years ago that Colorado and Texass were being courted by the Pac-10?

I just don't buy that the Big XII is going anywhere. It is responsible for the rejuvenation of Texass and maybe someday Texass A&M. They don't want to see it go anywhere.

I also agree that the North is not as bad as folks keep stating and these things go in cycles.

[Liver]

Wasn't the rumor years ago that Colorado and Texass were being courted by the Pac-10?

I just don't buy that the Big XII is going anywhere. It is responsible for the rejuvenation of Texass and maybe someday Texass A&M. They don't want to see it go anywhere.

I also agree that the North is not as bad as folks keep stating and these things go in cycles.

it wasn't a rumor, it is a fact. texas and CU were offered by the p10 about 2 or 3 years after the b12 was formed. both schools felt uncomfortable making a jump so soon after entering the new conference. CU declined the invitation "at this time" but left the door open for later. texas, now, isn't going anywhere. CU, on the other hand, has plenty of incentive to leave the b12 behind and join the p10.

[BlackNGold]

the p10 wants to go to 12 TEAMS (edit: not games, teams), not 11. they want the conference championship game and you have to have 12 to do that.

so, yeah, the biggest obstacle is finding the 12th team. i think it will be someone like utah or csu IF they can get their budgets and facilities in line. the p10 would never touch unlv or fresno or teams like that--- the academics are just too far off and the p10 coaches REALLY hate fresno because they pick up all kinds of guys that the p10 can't touch. byu is sometimes mentioned as a possibility but they are a bad cultural fit with the p10. but, stranger things have happened. nm and nmsu and nevada don't have any of the support you need. boise state is on a growth curve but they are probably still a ways away from being able to make such a big jump. remember you have to guarantee a certain attendance level and a certain number of sports and a certain minimum budget.

i think csu or utah or byu would be the closest to being able to pull it off but take the sheep for example... they'd have to build a new stadium and probably increase their athletic budget by 50% or something.

I think you are crazy if you think the PAC-10 would consider CSU. Small stadium, poor attendance, not much in the way of other sports. The Pac-10 schools have the most sports of almost any conference...BYU and UTah would be attractive. I am not sure that CU is all that attractive at the moment to the PAC-10.

[Liver]

I think you are crazy if you think the PAC-10 would consider CSU. Small stadium, poor attendance, not much in the way of other sports. The Pac-10 schools have the most sports of almost any conference...BYU and UTah would be attractive. I am not sure that CU is all that attractive at the moment to the PAC-10.

hence, my quote re: the sheep: they'd need a new stadium and a dramatically increased budget.

yes, byu and utah have the inside track.

no, i don't think, right now, that CU is especially attractive. but, things do change.