What is Mark May smoking?

[Omaha Buff]

Today on College Football Live, Mark May was asked about the Big 10 expanding to 12 teams. He said that Iowa State or Colorado would be two teams that the Big 10 would look at. Iowa State because of its proximity and Colorado because ? (academics is about on the only reason that I can think of) I'm not sure what he was thinking, but he seemed pretty confident in his statements. Wouldn't Mizzou be a better fit?:confused:

[exxon]

How could ISU defect from the big 12? It makes sense ISU and Iowa. What would the big10 do to pull that off.

[exxon]

If The big ten did pull away a Big 12 member, who do you guys think should come in? I like TCU or BYU.

[JimmyBuff]

Today on College Football Live, Mark May was asked about the Big 10 expanding to 12 teams. He said that Iowa State or Colorado would be two teams that the Big 10 would look at. Iowa State because of its proximity and Colorado because ? (academics is about on the only reason that I can think of) I'm not sure what he was thinking, but he seemed pretty confident in his statements. Wouldn't Mizzou be a better fit?:confused:

I always liked May, but that had to be his dumbest statement ever.. CU in the Big 10? It makes less sense than the crazy knuckleheads that want CU in the Pac 10...

Not sure where the Big 10 goes for another team.. I'm not sure Missouri does much for them.. I would go to the Northeast and get a team.. Maryland or UCONN, programs that are in areas with large television markets..

[JimmyBuff]

If The big ten did pull away a Big 12 member, who do you guys think should come in? I like TCU or BYU.

Utah.. they have world class facilities, due to the Winter Olympics in 2002.. Big 12 would like that.. TCU is too small of a fanbase, alumni to be considered..



Louisiville would be an interesting choice too..

[CarolinaBuff]

Assuming ND never gets off their high horse, I think the Big 10 will look to Pitt for their 12th member. Has anyone heard a timeframe for when the Big 10 will expand to 12 teams? I wouldn't think they'd wait much longer so they can start reaping that conference championship game dough

[exxon]

Utah.. they have world class facilities, due to the Winter Olympics in 2002.. Big 12 would like that.. TCU is too small of a fanbase, alumni to be considered.

I guess your right about TCU. I also didn't know about Utah's facilities. Sounds like they got a sweet deal.

[4DemBuffs]

USAToday had a small article about this the other day. they noted the Big 10 wanted a team that would bring in another big TV market. i think they listed rutgers and i forget who else.

denver does provide a decent market and as noted above, CU does fit the academic profile.

i doubt its realistic though.

[Mick Ronson]

i don't see much advantage in TCU. and, in personal bias alone, no more former SWC schools. i've been a big 8 guy my whole life but if the conference turns even more into the SWC, i'm all jump to the pac 10 if the opportunity should come.

[BuffaloT]

I really think whenever conference expansion/affiliation talks start the first thing anyone should do is pull up a map. Now do we really belong anywhere near the Big 10? the Pac 10? Only solution I see is if Missouri bolts bring in Arkansas. Aside from that it could be a BYU/Utah combination if you could get Baylor to leave as well. We all know Baylor isn't leaving. I don't want any other Texas schools period. Arkansas would be fine even though they were an old SWC team - they are anti-Texas and thats a good thing.

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[The Monk]

I really think whenever conference expansion/affiliation talks start the first thing anyone should do is pull up a map. Now do we really belong anywhere near the Big 10? the Pac 10? Well the football team flies on a plane regardless and CU fans and alumni are found more heavily in the nicer states of the Pac 10 then America's black hole. The only thing the map shows us is that the Big 12 is full of a lot of ****** states and Colorado.

[Mick Ronson]

Well the football team flies on a plane regardless and CU fans and alumni are found more heavily in the nicer states of the Pac 10 then America's black hole. The only thing the map shows us is that the Big 12 is full of a lot of ****** states and Colorado.

tourism over football. great.

[BuffaloT]

sorry to inform that none of the other sports make money and traveling all across the country doesn't help

[BIGREDIOWAN]

I really don't see CU going to the Big 10 and I agree that if they are going to do it they should try to get someone off of the east coast to go along with it. ISU does make a little sense considering they play Iowa all the time however they are a smaller school than anyone else in the Big 10 and I don't think they can compete with anyone in the Big 10 right now let alone the Big XII??? ND does seem like an obvious choice, but we all know they are better than any of our teams.....................(insert sarcasm **** you icon here)

[exxon]

ND will never ever join a conference. Then they'd have to share their money from the nbc contract. no way. ISU has a decent basketball team, and their wrestling program is good. they definately make the most sense. I think they go after Rutgers.

[BuffaloT]

So if Iowa State (or Missouri) leaves who should we go after....I doubt either leave though.

[The Monk]

tourism over football. great.
Well if we have a stronger fan/alumni base in California compared to Nebraska, Iowa, and Kansas. And we assume attendance rates are the same for California and regular B12 games. Which games would reflect higher rates of "tourism" among Colorado fans?

And both are BCS divisions, the "football" wouldn't suffer.


sorry to inform that none of the other sports make money and traveling all across the country doesn't help Er.. unless the "other sports" are daytripping for their events, the increase in travel distance doesn't make much of an effect, you're getting a hotel regardless. Club sports can afford travel; the real expenses for D1 level sports are labor costs.



And this isn't an argument for changing division, this is an argument that geography isn't an argument against it. And no we're probably never changing divisions.

[BamBamBuff]

CU could parlay that with the Tourism board to get more state funding possibly! State could find a way to co-mingle those funds for the capital injection to benefit such a move I would think?

[MiamiBuffs]

Assuming ND never gets off their high horse, I think the Big 10 will look to Pitt for their 12th member. Has anyone heard a timeframe for when the Big 10 will expand to 12 teams? I wouldn't think they'd wait much longer so they can start reaping that conference championship game dough

Syracuse and Ruttgers would probably be ahead on that list. Pitt and Penn St used to have a rivalry game but it ended about 20 years ago when they entered the Big 11.

May is probably not so far off. ISU fits the georgraphy as does Missou. CU has the academics. I think they want someone that will add some sizzle to their fire and we don't fit the bill any better than ISU or MU.

May is responding to a number of articles generated recently and that means people that ought to be in the know are letting it slip that the Big X is interested and is looking around. Academics and market will probably be a factor. Rumor has it that NU, Mizzou, are among the candidates. I think the Big X is tired of waiting at the alter for ND. Since ND survived this last few years of mediocrity without joining I guess the Big X figures they probably never will.

I like CSU (maybe helps get us the championship game out of Texas) or AFA. Utah is probably next. The rest of the geographic options are not so great. None offer much sizzle.

NU is intriguing in that if they went that probably paves the way for us to join the Pac10 since our rival is eliminated. I don't like the Pac10 geography as those are some long and probably more expensive trips for CU to make every year.

[InTheBuff]

Syracuse and Ruttgers would probably be ahead on that list. Pitt and Penn St used to have a rivalry game but it ended about 20 years ago when they entered the Big 11.

May is probably not so far off. ISU fits the georgraphy as does Missou. CU has the academics. I think they want someone that will add some sizzle to their fire and we don't fit the bill any better than ISU or MU.

May is responding to a number of articles generated recently and that means people that ought to be in the know are letting it slip that the Big X is interested and is looking around. Academics and market will probably be a factor. Rumor has it that NU, Mizzou, are among the candidates. I think the Big X is tired of waiting at the alter for ND. Since ND survived this last few years of mediocrity without joining I guess the Big X figures they probably never will.

I like CSU (maybe helps get us the championship game out of Texas) or AFA. Utah is probably next. The rest of the geographic options are not so great. None offer much sizzle.

NU is intriguing in that if they went that probably paves the way for us to join the Pac10 since our rival is eliminated. I don't like the Pac10 geography as those are some long and probably more expensive trips for CU to make every year.

csu has no business being in the Big 12-
I would like Utah, BYU or Arkansas.
Get Arkansas in the South and move Tex Tech into the North. I'd actually prefer OU in the North but OSU wouldn't like that and that would mess up the Tex/OU annual game.

[CarolinaBuff]

If the Big 12 has to replace an ISU or whoever then I think the only MWC schools they would consider would be BYU or Utah because those are the only 2 that draw in football. There's no way they'd look at CSU who only averages in the mid 20K range. TCU would probably be a high choice also and I'm sure there'd be plenty of pressure from the Texas schools to take them.

[exxon]

BYU and Utah also have respectable basketball programs also.

There are too many Texas programs in the big 12 right now. Arkansas would be a great addition also like some others have said.

[92Buff]

Frankly, the big ten is overrated in everything so I don't see any real glory coming from any team joining from the Big XII outside of someone wanting to run away from the competition. Head to head the Big XII top to bottom in football would dominate the eleven...but they are not willing to play most of us to let us prove it.

[MiamiBuffs]

The suggestion that Arkansas would move to the Big 12 is the most laughable thing I think I've ever heard. They play in the strongest football conference in America that just so happens to cover the best recruiting area in the country and they have an exsclusive tv contract with CBS. Just from a shared revenue standpoint they lose.

Posting the map is a good idea. It show you why most of the conferences exist; geography. They formed these conferences to make scheduling easy and to reduce the cost of traveling the team or at least make it predictable. This is why the old 16 team MWC/WAC/SWC fell apart; it was too big and too expensive for the member teams.


The fact is that if ISU or Missouri left (all closest to Big 10) CSU would be a logical fit for two reasons; 1. Geography 2. CSU is the team with the most alums that still live in the state AND that state's population (and its TV market) are expected to grow appreciably over the decade. That means both major college teams are members of the same conference in the same major TV market which is an easier sell to TV execs. They might even pay more for that.

I suspect this anti CSU talk has more to do with keeping the little brother down than it does with reality. Our conference plays in 6 states currently why make it 7?

[BuffWFU]

The Big 10 would ideally like an additional TV market, hence the Mizzou statement. ISU makes sense, but doesn't do that. Pitt again doesn't do that. Rutgers would get a bigger NYC draw, but is not an additional market since the whole NE gets the Big 10 ABC game every game for the most part (not sure if Boston gets the ACC games now?) From the UM boards, i've never heard CU mentioned, they have no interest in having to fly out there not just for football but for all the other sports. Besides we don't even have most sports that the Big 10 participates in, swimming, gymnastics, baseball, softball, field hockey, just to name a few they've excelled in lately.

I think Pitt due to location or MU due to the TV market are the most likely. Possibly SU or Rutgers as back ups....But obviously their first choice is ND...

[MiamiBuffs]

The Big 10 would ideally like an additional TV market, hence the Mizzou statement. ISU makes sense, but doesn't do that. Pitt again doesn't do that. Rutgers would get a bigger NYC draw, but is not an additional market since the whole NE gets the Big 10 ABC game every game for the most part (not sure if Boston gets the ACC games now?) From the UM boards, i've never heard CU mentioned, they have no interest in having to fly out there not just for football but for all the other sports. Besides we don't even have most sports that the Big 10 participates in, swimming, gymnastics, baseball, softball, field hockey, just to name a few they've excelled in lately.

I think Pitt due to location or MU due to the TV market are the most likely. Possibly SU or Rutgers as back ups....But obviously their first choice is ND...

You forgot Hockey. I believe that Hockey season had to be moved back at the high school level in some states because kids kept quitting football when Hockey started. Yes, many Big 10 states have HS level hockey conferences.

Since the Big 10 started their own TV network they are probably looking at a school that has or will add certain sports so that they can present sporting events year round. I don't see CU adding Hockey, Baseball, and Wrestling. Once the SEC went to 12 teams and got that CBS contract I think the Big 10 has slowly watched their conference fall behind the SEC. The creation of the TV network and this move to add a 12th team are probably designed to be more competetive with the SEC. That said, whoever they pick will probably have strong ties to the region.

It's true that as far south as Miami a big 10 game gets on TV at least every Saturday on ABC.

[CarolinaBuff]

The suggestion that Arkansas would move to the Big 12 is the most laughable thing I think I've ever heard. They play in the strongest football conference in America that just so happens to cover the best recruiting area in the country and they have an exsclusive tv contract with CBS. Just from a shared revenue standpoint they lose.

Yea, I can't imagine that Arkansas would even consider leaving the SEC.

As for who CSU, it just doesn't make any sense that the Big 12 would look at CSU when BYU and Utah draw much better in both football and basketball, plus they traditionally have much more on-field/on-court success than CSU.

[Waylon Van Smack]

would CU want to join this???
YouTube - tOSU fans

[BuffaloT]

The suggestion that Arkansas would move to the Big 12 is the most laughable thing I think I've ever heard. They play in the strongest football conference in America that just so happens to cover the best recruiting area in the country and they have an exsclusive tv contract with CBS. Just from a shared revenue standpoint they lose.


I didn't realize we had to have Arkansas' desire to join before we threw out opinions on who we should ask. Frank Boyles, as long as he is still there, would love to be back and playing with the Texas boys. I am sure money would be the deciding issue, just wonder how close the money splits go each way BigXII vs. SEC?

[exxon]

would CU want to join this???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PahHn2WxUlI&mode=related&search=

College students drinking, puking and acting stupid?? SHOCKING!!!:wow:

[Junction]

Today on College Football Live, Mark May was asked about the Big 10 expanding to 12 teams. He said that Iowa State or Colorado would be two teams that the Big 10 would look at. Iowa State because of its proximity and Colorado because ? (academics is about on the only reason that I can think of) I'm not sure what he was thinking, but he seemed pretty confident in his statements. Wouldn't Mizzou be a better fit?:confused:

I think Mizzou is the most logical fit. Decent athletics, academics are pretty good (journalism school, for one, is highly ranked, Mark Pissla notwithstanding...), location fits. CU fits the same profile with regard to everything but location. ISU? The only way they outrank either CU or Mizzou is location. In the past, N*braska has been mentioned as a team the Big XI might pursue - interesting May didn't bring them up.

If they go looking someplace besides the Big XII to steal somebody, it all depends on whether the academics or the athletic supporters are dominant right now. If it's the athletics guys, Louisville or Pitt might get some run. If it's the academics guys, they might look at Syracuse or maybe even Vandy. Although I'd give that one a better chance if G. Gee was still there... :huh:

As for who should replace a Big XII team, if ISU or Mizzou goes, I could see Utah as a reasonable candidate. If not them, it could be TCU. That could go either way, mostly depending on how the Texass schools feel about another school in the state joining the conference. If CU goes, I could give a **** about who comes in to replace them. Which means my choice would be CSU, for several reasons. First to watch Lammie Fuskers personality degenerate all the way into full blown schizophrenia when the lammies and fuskers meet in a conference game every year. :lol: Second, to see how many last place finishes it takes the lammies fans to finally admit that maybe they wouldn't be competitive in the Big XII north every year. Third, to watch Sonny Boy Lubejob try to pull his potty mouthed bullshit on a nicely liquored up group of wHorns or Sooners. And finally, to watch the fun when fusker fans figure out they have bought every single ticket for a conference road game at Hughes Stadium, and still have 25,000 fans looking to buy more. They should be a riot to listen to after a game in a 30,000 seat stadium. They'll still be arrogant pricks, of course, but I can't imagine a better target to aim them at... :cool:

[unbiasedtruth]

heres a thought... why replace ISU and MU.... just use 10 teams, 9 conf games and 3 OOC game seach year... no championship game, no north and south and everyone plays everybody each year....

[wsp4820]

heres a thought... why replace ISU and MU.... just use 10 teams, 9 conf games and 3 OOC game seach year... no championship game, no north and south and everyone plays everybody each year....

You just answered your own question.

$$$

[MiamiBuffs]

heres a thought... why replace ISU and MU.... just use 10 teams, 9 conf games and 3 OOC game seach year... no championship game, no north and south and everyone plays everybody each year....

I don't know. Maybe becuase that championship game generates over a million dollars to the conference and over $100k in additional revenue to each member school. Sure, lets just through that extra money out the window.

[leftybuff]

Frank Boyles, as long as he is still there, would love to be back and playing with the Texas boys.

Frank Broyles is about 184 yrs. old and due to retire in February I believe.


ISU, MU, Pitt or Rutgers amke the most sense for the B 10 (11). ND would be their first choice, but as long as NBC fronts the Domers huge $$$ and exposure, the Catholics will stay independent.

If ISU or MU were to leave, Utah would be the only serious contender to fill their shoes. CSU or WY simply don't have enough game. Arkansas isn't about to leave the SEC. If they wanted to play the TX teams, they would not have left the SWC in the first place. TCU, no way, another TX school would make the Big 12 into a TX schools, OU and those other guys conference. It's bad enough already.

I don't see CU going Pac 10. In a lot of ways it makes some sense, but that is a lot of travel time to pay for, and CU would need to fund Baseball and other sports before the Pac 10 would be interested IMO.

My guess is everything stays the same for a few more years.

[JimmyBuff]

I think Mizzou is the most logical fit. Decent athletics, academics are pretty good (journalism school, for one, is highly ranked, Mark Pissla notwithstanding...), :


****ing Mark Kiszla is from Missouri?.. Now, I have to really hate Missouri with a passion.. :lol:

[SuperiorBuff]

****ing Mark Kiszla is from Missouri?.. Now, I have to really hate Missouri with a passion.. :lol:

I hope you don't carry that list in your back pocket, you might fall off and hurt yourself.:smile2:

[DustyRhodes]

If The big ten did pull away a Big 12 member, who do you guys think should come in? I like TCU or BYU.

I like Arkansas but I don't know if we could get 'em!

[Waylon Van Smack]

I like Arkansas but I don't know if we could get 'em!:thumbsup::nod::yeahthat:

[BlackNGold]

The suggestion that Arkansas would move to the Big 12 is the most laughable thing I think I've ever heard. They play in the strongest football conference in America that just so happens to cover the best recruiting area in the country and they have an exsclusive tv contract with CBS. Just from a shared revenue standpoint they lose.

Posting the map is a good idea. It show you why most of the conferences exist; geography. They formed these conferences to make scheduling easy and to reduce the cost of traveling the team or at least make it predictable. This is why the old 16 team MWC/WAC/SWC fell apart; it was too big and too expensive for the member teams.


The fact is that if ISU or Missouri left (all closest to Big 10) CSU would be a logical fit for two reasons; 1. Geography 2. CSU is the team with the most alums that still live in the state AND that state's population (and its TV market) are expected to grow appreciably over the decade. That means both major college teams are members of the same conference in the same major TV market which is an easier sell to TV execs. They might even pay more for that.

I suspect this anti CSU talk has more to do with keeping the little brother down than it does with reality. Our conference plays in 6 states currently why make it 7?

I think the CSU being attractive to the Big 12 is equally laughable. CSU has a small stadium and does not bring in anything in either Basketball or Football. As far as the television market goes, the Big 12 already has a niche in the Colorado Market with CU, CSU is not going to raise the number television sets in the area which is how advertising dollars are calculated. I agree with Utah and BYU having some attraction to the Big 12.

If the Big 10 does add a 12th team, It will most likely come from Pitt, Syracuse, West Virginia schools...the Big East is weak in Football and all of those schools has strong BB programs...plus they would add a lot more television sets. Missouri would be an outside shot at best for the Big 10 and ISU would be a no shot. The $$$ for an ISU would be almost nothing...small stadium, low population. Metro Denver has more people than all of Iowa.