MBB: @ Iowa State Game Notes & Game Thread

[Buffnik]

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Dwight Thorne

GAME #21 at Iowa State Cyclones (12-8, 1-4 Big 12)
• Date: Saturday, Jan. 30 • Tipoff: 7 p.m. (MST)
• Television: Cyclone Television Network (ESPN 360, ESPN Full Court)
• Announcers: B.J. Schaben (p-b-p), Kevin Lehman (analyst) • Location: Hilton Coliseum (14,356)
• CU Radio: KKZN 760-AM: Mark Johnson (p-b-p), Charles Johnson (analyst); Sirius Channel 126
• Series vs. Iowa State: The Cyclones lead the all-time series, 75-67 and hold a 14-13 edge in Big 12 play.

QUICKLY: Cory Higgins and Alec Burks are separated by 21 points, the closest 1-2 scoring punch a CU team has had since 2003-04 [David Harrison (497, 17.1 ppg) and Michel Morandais (467, 16.1 ppg.)] • CU enters the week among the nation’s best in a variety of categories: fourth nationally in FT percentage (.769), 17th in FG% (.487), 46th in steals per game (8.5), 49th in scoring offense (76.4) • CU is 10-1 at home matching the 2005- 06 season after 11 games • CU has shot 50 percent or better in three of six Big 12 games (.489 overall) • Alec Burks leads the Buffaloes in conference scoring (19.2 ppg.).

CYCLONES UPDATE: Iowa State comes into the game on a three-game losing (their second three-game skid of the sea- son). ISU is 1-4 in Big 12 play with their lone win coming at Ne- braska (56-53). Conference losses are to Texas (90-83), at Texas Tech (78-71), Kansas (84-61) and at Oklahoma (89-84). with the exception of the KU loss, Iowa State’s other three Big 12 losses are an average of six points. The Cyclones are 9-3 at home this season under fourth-year head coach Greg McDermott (56-59, .487).

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Time to kill the road monkey. That ****er's been on our backs way too long.

Any chance at the postseason may be riding on the Buffs getting a win today.

Individual note: Alec Burks needs 14 points to pass Matt Bullard for 6th place on the all-time Buff freshman scoring list.

Prediction: Buffs 76 - Clones 71

:gobuffs:

[Mick Ronson]

be nice to get Relphorde, Dufault, Harris-Tunks into halftime none of them in foul trouble. i think we can win, but have to get a handle on Brackins inside. too many times in the last 3 years we've had close games but falter because we give up too many easy buckets in the paint down the stretch.

lot of interesting games in conference today/tonight. KU at KSU being the heavy. Baylor/UT, OSU/Missouri, etc.

[Jens1893]

Back Your Buffs! (http://www.allbuffs.com/showthread.php?t=43876)

[L Buff]

Is the game online ANYWHERE? I checked http://channelsurfing.net/ but it's not listed :(.

[Mick Ronson]

says it's on ESPN360, but lot of times there's blackouts. so, i won't believe it until i see it.

edit: yup, it's on 360.

[sweaty teets]

burks looks done, knee.

[Buffnik]

Buffs 31-25 at halftime.

:gobuffs:

[aik]

These Cyclone announcers giving the Buffs zero respect, even when they were up 12. Wish CU could eke out a win just for their reaction.

[buff4bcs1985]

aik sup brohan

[JimmyBuff]

iowa state announcers: he brought his lunch pail. :lol:


Man, can we please have a breakthrough... C'mon Buffs.. Only down 5.

[Junction]

burks looks done, knee.

any word how bad? Have to think this game would be totally different with him in there.... :huh:

[Mick Ronson]

any word how bad? Have to think this game would be totally different with him in there.... :huh:

saying no ligament damage.

[CarolinaBuff]

Can't believe Cory missed those 2 FT's a little while ago.

[BuffAlum2007]

Does anyone on the team feel like covering Brackins, by any chance???

[JimmyBuff]

Does anyone on the team feel like rebounding?

[CarolinaBuff]

Does anyone on the team feel like rebounding?

ISU has more than doubled our rebound total and has 3 players in double figures in rebounds. :wow:

[JimmyBuff]

Haha, yes..

[JimmyBuff]

Allright, keeping the pressure on Iowa State..


This color/analyst announcer is an idot..

[JimmyBuff]

Jesus.. No.. Dammit..

[Junction]

Seriously. This ****ing bull**** has GOT to change sometime...

[GoldenBuff]

Damn... I really wanted this one.

[JimmyBuff]

We can't even win games when the other team basically hands it to us.. Good grief.. Its like we are the Charlie Brown of basketball programs.

[CarolinaBuff]

Did we have a TO left there at the end? If so we should've called one after we got the turnover.

[buff4bcs1985]

**** me in the ass

[JimmyBuff]

Did we have a TO left there at the end? If so we should've called one after we got the turnover.

NO, we were out.

[BuffAlum2007]

Did we have a TO left there at the end? If so we should've called one after we got the turnover.

No...we were out unfortunately...

[OUBuff]

Did we have a TO left there at the end? If so we should've called one after we got the turnover.

No TOs... but they just spazzed out when they got the steal... come on guys... give the ball to a ball handler.

Sad.

[JimmyBuff]

No TOs... but they just spazzed out when they got the steal... come on guys... give the ball to a ball handler.

Sad.

Higgins got it passed to him after the steal but he passed it away which I didn't understand..

[Mick Ronson]

No TOs... but they just spazzed out when they got the steal... come on guys... give the ball to a ball handler.

Sad.

yeah, they kinda played hot potato with it wasting 4-5 seconds they didn't have to burn.

[JimmyBuff]

Well the good thing is that we have CU Football to look forward too..



Oh wait, I forget. CU Football is just as bad if not worse than CU Basketball..


Depressing times..

[Junction]

Damn... I really wanted this one.

And with a healthy Burks you have to think they would have had it.

It's always something. Like Jimmy said, the Charlie Brown of basketball programs. They're so much better than they were when Buzz arrived, but that hump they need to get over is starting to look like Kilimanjaro...

[Duff Man]

No words.:bang::bang::bang::pissed::pissed:

[sweaty teets]

god damnit. uggggggggggggghhh.

[MrFrumpylane]

And with a healthy Burks you have to think they would have had it.

It's always something. Like Jimmy said, the Charlie Brown of basketball programs. They're so much better than they were when Buzz arrived, but that hump they need to get over is starting to look like Kilimanjaro...

Hold up, in defense of the Buffs, Kilimanjaro is the easiest of the of Seven Summits. Just sayin'...

[FChairbanks]

bzzz acknowledged in the post-game that we are lacking in the bigs...and that he is actively recruiting for that. good game but a tough loss... i thought we had a good chance to pull it out in spite of the loss of Burks.

you still have to respect the heart and potential of this team. we need to fill the seats vs ku...

:gobuffs:

[Buffnik]

I hope Burks is ok.

No doubt we win that game if he plays. Hell, we lost by 1 flippin' point. We win that game if Hornbuckle plays. :pissed:

[sweaty teets]

I hope Burks is ok.

No doubt we win that game if he plays. Hell, we lost by 1 flippin' point. We win that game if Hornbuckle plays. :pissed:

speaking of, is he in the dog house?

[BehindEnemyLines]

What's the word on Burks? Saw the earlier post, but hope there might be more current info.

[Buffnik]

speaking of, is he in the dog house?

Keegan hurt his shoulder. No structural damage, but he needs rest. Lot of pain and I don't think he can really shoot or pass right-handed.

[Buffnik]

What's the word on Burks? Saw the earlier post, but hope there might be more current info.

On Rivals, they were saying that Burks heard a "pop", which scares me. But the announcers supposedly reported no ligament damage.

[BehindEnemyLines]

On Rivals, they were saying that Burks heard a "pop", which scares me. But the announcers supposedly reported no ligament damage.

Scary is a good way to put it. This young guy is the future. Hope he's alright.

thanx nik

[sweaty teets]

Keegan hurt his shoulder. No structural damage, but he needs rest. Lot of pain and I don't think he can really shoot or pass right-handed.

cool, thanks. he's gonna be a productive guy for the next couple years.

[sackman]

Does this count as our eighth moral victory of the year, or just another loss?

[sweaty teets]

Does this count as our eighth moral victory of the year, or just another loss?

how do you think bz would answer that question?

[sackman]

how do you think bz would answer that question?

One of the things I like very much about Bzdelik is that to him, there are no moral victories. The problem, of course, is that they don't get many opportunities to win actual games. This was probably their best shot at a road conference victory - gone. *ebraska remains a possibility, but ISU lost at home to Northern Iowa (or some directional Iowa school) this year. You can't let these get away, and they did. It's more of the same. I would like very much to see CU basketball be successful, but I won't ever get my hopes up.

[Duff Man]

One of the things I like very much about Bzdelik is that to him, there are no moral victories. The problem, of course, is that they don't get many opportunities to win actual games. This was probably their best shot at a road conference victory - gone. *ebraska remains a possibility, but ISU lost at home to Northern Iowa (or some directional Iowa school) this year. You can't let these get away, and they did. It's more of the same. I would like very much to see CU basketball be successful, but I won't ever get my hopes up.

No excuses for continuing to lose road games, but Northern Iowa is actually a pretty damn good team. They are top 20 in the RPI and are going to be a tough out in the NCAA tournament.

[justicewhite]

Hold up, in defense of the Buffs, Kilimanjaro is the easiest of the of Seven Summits. Just sayin'...

Yeah, that one's a cinch. I think we'll bag it. It'll be the tourney for this team next year, so long as we can find someone who can secure the paint. Any 7 footer who wants some future NBA time should take note of what Coach Bz has got going in Boulder..

[sackman]

No excuses for continuing to lose road games, but Northern Iowa is actually a pretty damn good team. They are top 20 in the RPI and are going to be a tough out in the NCAA tournament.

And herein lies the problem. We're sitting here talking up Northern Iowa. There's no way in HELL that Northern Iowa should have a better basketball team than CU. It should never happen. Ever. CU has more resources, better facilities, stronger alumni base, better conference affiliation, more fertile recruiting ground, the list goes on. It should never happen, but here we are.

[DallasBuff]

And herein lies the problem. We're sitting here talking up Northern Iowa. There's no way in HELL that Northern Iowa should have a better basketball team than CU. It should never happen. Ever. CU has more resources, better facilities, stronger alumni base, better conference affiliation, more fertile recruiting ground, the list goes on. It should never happen, but here we are.

Are you talking about basketball, or football :cry:? Your comments apply to both sports...

[sackman]

Are you talking about basketball, or football :cry:? Your comments apply to both sports...

True. I'm talking about anything, though.

[Duff Man]

And herein lies the problem. We're sitting here talking up Northern Iowa. There's no way in HELL that Northern Iowa should have a better basketball team than CU. It should never happen. Ever. CU has more resources, better facilities, stronger alumni base, better conference affiliation, more fertile recruiting ground, the list goes on. It should never happen, but here we are.

Any team that is good enough to win the MVC is probably going to be better than CU in a given year. Has a lot less to with CU and a whole lot more to do with how good the MVC has been over the past 5-7 years.

[sackman]

Any team that is good enough to win the MVC is probably going to be better than CU in a given year. Has a lot less to with CU and a whole lot more to do with how good the MVC has been over the past 5-7 years.

Dude, it's NORTHERN freaking IOWA. Not Iowa. Not even Iowa State.

Drake is in Iowa, too.

[Duff Man]

Dude, it's NORTHERN freaking IOWA. Not Iowa. Not even Iowa State.

Drake is in Iowa, too.

You did not address my post at all. Do you watch MVC b-ball at all? If you did, I think you would understand what I am talking about when I say any team good enough to win that conference in a given year is most likely going to be better than CU.

[coereg]

I hope Burks is ok.

No doubt we win that game if he plays. Hell, we lost by 1 flippin' point. We win that game if Hornbuckle plays. :pissed:

Agreed. Probably by 10 pts. I know he's had an MRI today, I hope everything is positive

CU is awfully close here.

I still feel, that is if Burks plays, they'll win 4 of the last 5 home games (Mizzou, OU, Iowa State, & Texas Tech), and that they'll finally get that road win (@ Neb), just got a feeling about it, have all season.

The Buffs can get to 7-9 in the conference and that would be a HUGE step in the right direction.

[Buffnik]

The Buffs can get to 7-9 in the conference and that would be a HUGE step in the right direction.

I'd be damn happy if we could go 5-11 in Big 12 play. That would give us a .500 regular season and a good opportunity to win a game in the B12 tourney (top 4 teams get byes, so we'd be playing a team that finished between 5th and 12th).

[BuffLuKe]

Ill answer your post BB. The MVC isnt exactly the ACC or Big East. I know I havent watched them, which i have, and im full of crap. The whole point is CU should be at a higher level.

[dyemeduke]

I'd be damn happy if we could go 5-11 in Big 12 play. That would give us a .500 regular season and a good opportunity to win a game in the B12 tourney (top 4 teams get byes, so we'd be playing a team that finished between 5th and 12th).

agreed - I'd be happy I guess with 5 wins, but I still want that 6th or 7th win that I was hoping/predicting.

This ISU loss hurts a lot in my opinion. The Big 12 is the strongest conference in the country in my opinion - everyone points to the Big East, but I think from top to bottom, Big 12 is strongest. With that said, ISU while is no slouch, they are along with Nebraska a team that CU needs to be beat. They are teams that are games we should win - and we need to do that.

I really hope Burks gets good health during his CU career...

[CarolinaBuff]

Ill answer your post BB. The MVC isnt exactly the ACC or Big East. I know I havent watched them, which i have, and im full of crap. The whole point is CU should be at a higher level.

No, they're not anywhere near the conference the ACC or Big East is, and nobody was saying it was. But what he was saying is that the top team in the MVC more often than not a better team than CU is. The MVC champ has reached the Sweet 16 twice in the last 4 years, and in one of those years they had 2 teams make the Sweet 16, so it's safe to say that the MVC's top team would at least be a middle of the road Big 12 team, and that's typically better than what CU is.

[Duff Man]

No, they're not anywhere near the conference the ACC or Big East is, and nobody was saying it was. But what he was saying is that the top team in the MVC more often than not a better team than CU is. The MVC champ has reached the Sweet 16 twice in the last 4 years, and in one of those years they had 2 teams make the Sweet 16, so it's safe to say that the MVC's top team would at least be a middle of the road Big 12 team, and that's typically better than what CU is.

Correct. That is exactly what I was saying. Generally, the MVC's top team is going to be pretty damn good. They do not have the depth of the major conferences, but to simply write off teams like Northern Iowa because they are directional school is unfair.

[BuffLuKe]

I understand what he was saying, what Im saying is CU should be better than that. Damn this school has alot of work to do in alot of areas. I mention ACC and here comes CarolinaBuff lol. What shade of blue do you prefer?

[sackman]

Ill answer your post BB. The MVC isnt exactly the ACC or Big East. I know I havent watched them, which i have, and im full of crap. The whole point is CU should be at a higher level.

Perzactly. I don't give a damn how good the MVC is, CU should be better. Always.

[CarolinaBuff]

I understand what he was saying, what Im saying is CU should be better than that. Damn this school has alot of work to do in alot of areas. I mention ACC and here comes CarolinaBuff lol. What shade of blue do you prefer?

Anything but tar hole blue, that's for sure.

[BuffLuKe]

Thats good, I cant stand them either. Best rivalry in basketball, Duke and North Carolina. I wanna see a game in CIS one of these days.

[Junction]

The MVC champ has reached the Sweet 16 twice in the last 4 years, and in one of those years they had 2 teams make the Sweet 16,


Perzactly. I don't give a damn how good the MVC is, CU should be better. Always.

So CU should be a sweet 16 team more than 50% of the time??

Good to know we're not setting our sights unreasonably high at this point... :lol:

[CarolinaBuff]

Perzactly. I don't give a damn how good the MVC is, CU should be better. Always.

Which means that CU would have to be in the top one-third to one-half of the Big 12. Always. That'd be real nice, but it's not gonna happen. :huh:

[BuffLuKe]

I think the goal should be to play well in conference and at least be talked about gettin into the Tourney. Trying to make the tourney is what should happen every year. I dont think that is too much to ask at all.

[sackman]

Which means that CU would have to be in the top one-third to one-half of the Big 12. Always. That'd be real nice, but it's not gonna happen. :huh:

Name me one MVC school that has any advantages over CU. Any. Better school? Better facilities? Better environment? Better exposure? Bigger athletic budget?

[Duff Man]

Which means that CU would have to be in the top one-third to one-half of the Big 12. Always. That'd be real nice, but it's not gonna happen. :huh:

You are killing it in this thread.

[Rugged]

Name me one MVC school that has any advantages over CU. Any. Better school? Better facilities? Better environment? Better exposure? Bigger athletic budget?

They have the ability to get to the Sweet 16.

[sackman]

OK. I give up. I'll accept that a bunch of nobody directional schools in the middle of nowhere are better than CU.

So now I'll follow up with this: Why are they better? For the sake of conversation I'll use Northern Iowa. What did Northern Iowa do to put itself into a position where it's got a better basketball program than the University of Colorado?

[Buffnik]

OK. I give up. I'll accept that a bunch of nobody directional schools in the middle of nowhere are better than CU.

So now I'll follow up with this: Why are they better? For the sake of conversation I'll use Northern Iowa. What did Northern Iowa do to put itself into a position where it's got a better basketball program than the University of Colorado?

For one, their arena (the McLeod Center) actually has a video board and 2 ribbon boards in addition to its 2 scoreboards. It's brand new - opened in 2006. They've also figured out how to use the facility in order to make money by renting it out for concerts and other events. http://www.uni.edu/mcleod/facts.shtml

They've also been in the NCAA tournament 4 out of the last 6 years - soon to be 5 out of 7 ('04, '05, '06 and '09). Before that, though, they hadn't been since 1990. The Missouri Valley Conference had always been a good small conference, but what set them apart is that they were the first to crack the RPI code and make a big commitment to scheduling smartly in order to get the maximum number of teams into the tourney. Others have caught up and the MVC has only been sending 1 or 2 a year for the past few years, but at its height in 2006 the MVC put 4 teams in the NCAAs. They've now got upperclassmen recruits playing from the strong recruiting classes generated by all the success in the middle of the decade.

I expect CU to pass the MVC schools except for maybe Bradley. They've got a hell of a program that's close to both Chicago and St. Louis. They're Top 50 in attendance every year. Here's what their arena looks like:

https://admin.xosn.com/pics2/800/DV/DVIUOQLGQHOWNSC.20061115184811.jpg

[coereg]

agreed - I'd be happy I guess with 5 wins, but I still want that 6th or 7th win that I was hoping/predicting.

This ISU loss hurts a lot in my opinion. The Big 12 is the strongest conference in the country in my opinion - everyone points to the Big East, but I think from top to bottom, Big 12 is strongest. With that said, ISU while is no slouch, they are along with Nebraska a team that CU needs to be beat. They are teams that are games we should win - and we need to do that.

I really hope Burks gets good health during his CU career...

Agree completely! That's why I think CU nabs a win @ Nebraska, and still get's 4 home wins (Mizzou, OU, T-Tech, & ISU) - giving them a 7-9 season.

I think if someone were to force you to put money on which ONE of the bottom 4 teams (ISU, CU, Neb, & Tex Tech) has the brightest future outlook, you would likely put your money on either ISU or CU, right!?

So it's all there. We just need to get bigger/better in the post, and make sure Sharpe is healthy. I think, although this year has been much more fun, next year the Buffs should start to make some serious noise.

[sackman]

We just need to get bigger/better in the post, and make sure Sharpe is healthy. I think, although this year has been much more fun, next year the Buffs should start to make some serious noise.

I really hope you're right. I really hope CU is right on the cusp of breaking out. I just can't bring myself to believe it until I see it with my own eyes. Too many disappointments and false starts.

[Duff Man]

:bump::saythat:

[Rugged]

They have the ability to get to the Sweet 16.

Boom. Who said it. Me.

[Duff Man]

Well done.

[BuffLuKe]

Boom. Who said it. Me.
Nice work. I had to watch it on the computer, they wouldnt cut from the New Mexico beat down.

[CarolinaBuff]

Boom. Who said it. Me.

That's worth a rep.

[UrbanaBuff]

Good call, Buffnik. Bradley is a historically relevant program. Though dated now, they've been to numerous NCAA Final Fours and have won multiple NIT titles.

They are aided by their hometown of Peoria, which is a hoops recruiting hotbed. They are coached by a former alum who played in the NBA. Their arena is solid, and they host the Illinois HS tournament every year.


For one, their arena (the McLeod Center) actually has a video board and 2 ribbon boards in addition to its 2 scoreboards. It's brand new - opened in 2006. They've also figured out how to use the facility in order to make money by renting it out for concerts and other events. http://www.uni.edu/mcleod/facts.shtml

They've also been in the NCAA tournament 4 out of the last 6 years - soon to be 5 out of 7 ('04, '05, '06 and '09). Before that, though, they hadn't been since 1990. The Missouri Valley Conference had always been a good small conference, but what set them apart is that they were the first to crack the RPI code and make a big commitment to scheduling smartly in order to get the maximum number of teams into the tourney. Others have caught up and the MVC has only been sending 1 or 2 a year for the past few years, but at its height in 2006 the MVC put 4 teams in the NCAAs. They've now got upperclassmen recruits playing from the strong recruiting classes generated by all the success in the middle of the decade.

I expect CU to pass the MVC schools except for maybe Bradley. They've got a hell of a program that's close to both Chicago and St. Louis. They're Top 50 in attendance every year. Here's what their arena looks like:

https://admin.xosn.com/pics2/800/DV/DVIUOQLGQHOWNSC.20061115184811.jpg