Passing on the 3rd down at the end of the game was the right decision

[JRK1212]

A lot of people on here have written that it was a dumb choice to pass on the 3rd and 6 with 2 minutes left rather then run the ball. First off, stop being a Monday morning quarterback, if we had gotten the first down you wouldn't be saying it was a dumb decision. Second, the choice was irrelevant based on how quickly they ended up scoring and technically actually helped us since we got the ball back with a minute left. And third, it was the right choice. If we get the first down there the game is over and it's not like we were going to get 6 yards on a running play especially when that's what they're expecting. You play to win the game. You don't just punt the ball and then sit back and pray that your defense can stop the other team, especially when the other team has a strong passing attack and you have a secondary that's been depleted by injuries.

If there had been less time left or if they were down by 7 instead of 3 that would have been one thing but even if we had run the ball they would have still gotten it with about 1:30 left and only needing a FG, that still would have been plenty of time to score. I think we could have come up with a better play call (although is Hansen makes a better throw that's a completion) but it was absolutley the right choice to pass. Given the circumstances you try and put the game away. The only mistake the coaches made was not throwing the ball on 1st and 2nd down as well.

[DallasBuff]

Agreed.

[dio]

I'm ok with the pass - but not the play they called. Nik pointed out yesterday that Hansen hadn't hit a pass rolling that way all day.

If I'm calling that play, I roll Hansen out to his right. If his guy is open, then he makes the pass. If is guy isn't open, then he tucks it and runs to kill the clock. Under no circumstance is he to force the ball.

Ok with the pass, but silly play to call

[MtnBuff]

The play call didn't matter, it was a fairly safe play that should have been reasonably high percentage.

The bottom line is that run or pass; or defend the run or the pass; somebody has to step up and make a play that lets us win the football game. Block the pass rush, make the pass, make the catch and advance it for a first down and the game is over. Run the ball and not make the blocks or the run which we hadn't on prior downs and they get the ball back with time.

[exxon]

Scooter made a gutsy call there.

[Duff Man]

Thought it was a dumb call yesterday, but am fine with it today. We really need better QB play.

If this staff had a QB out there they trust, we would have passed a LOT in the first half, when Wazzu was consistently putting 8 in the box and playing man on the outside. Yardage was there to be had, but the staff went to the ground game quite a bit. I do not necessarily blame them either, Hansen's decision making is questionable.

[BuffLuKe]

I thought the play call wasnt a good one, not the fact that we passed the ball. Im running something crossing, slant, or something along those lines. Maybe even running a draw or screen, though we really didnt have success with the screen game for obvious reasons. If im rolling him out, I go to his strong hand. Maybe that naked boot pass to the fullback we ran earlier in the game. Im all for trying to win the game though. Hindsight is 20/20 and one play call didnt lose us the game.

[Darth Snow]

passing choice was understandable. Playcall was questionable. A caveat is that someone didn't run the play as called. AFter review of the play in question, I agree. Same old same old. Doesn't matter, shouldn't have been in that desperate a situation up 10.

As far as the first half playcalling... ya, super conservative. They were stacking the box with one safety deep (shaded to Prich's side usually), and we refused to go over the top down the sideline. No confidence in Hasen's deep ball. The Funny thing is, that throw was Hansen's forte in high school. And, of course, he missed it on that throw to Tclem on that last drive, only to be bailed out by the refs.:wtf:.

[Duff Man]

passing choice was understandable. Playcall was questionable. A caveat is that someone didn't run the play as called. AFter review of the play in question, I agree. Same old same old. Doesn't matter, shouldn't have been in that desperate a situation up 10.

As far as the first half playcalling... ya, super conservative. They were stacking the box with one safety deep (shaded to Prich's side usually), and we refused to go over the top down the sideline. No confidence in Hasen's deep ball. The Funny thing is, that throw was Hansen's forte in high school. And, of course, he missed it on that throw to Tclem on that last drive, only to be bailed out by the refs.:wtf:.

The two TDs on fades were funny. Everyone in the stadium could set those up with the Wazzu defensive alignment. The first one to PRich was especially allsome, the CB was playing inside position.:lol:

[Buffnik]

I wanted a pass. No doubt.

I've got a major problem with rolling Hansen to his left, though.

I need to re-watch the game and see what happened on the actual play. It looked like something they'd only practiced like three times, a month ago.

[buff4bcs1985]

The two TDs on fades were funny. Everyone in the stadium could set those up with the Wazzu defensive alignment. The first one to PRich was especially allsome, the CB was playing inside position.:lol:
prich had single coverage almost the entire game... i dunno why we didnt throw over there more

[Ozbuff]

The problem with the play was that it was 3rd and 6. When you can only manage four yards on first and second down you're not doing yourself any favors. Considering the circumstances, I don't think calling a pass was a bad idea. Hard to say if the specific call was a bad one or if it was just poorly executed. My first impression was that P-Rich was pretty well covered and maybe Hansen should have looked for a second option. Not sure he had time to though. Looking forward to hearing from Buffnik after he's watched the play again.

Btw, if WSU goes to LA and beats UCLA, that might be the nail in the coffin for Slick Rick. He's probably already a goner, but just saying.

[Darth Snow]

The two TDs on fades were funny. Everyone in the stadium could set those up with the Wazzu defensive alignment. The first one to PRich was especially allsome, the CB was playing inside position.:lol: no **** right? that was there ALL DAY in the first half especially, and we never took advantage of it down the sideline. sigh.

[BuffLuKe]

Didnt we try early on to hit TClem on a go route that Tyler overthrew pretty bad? That could be a big reason for not going to it more right there. Another is just simply needing the running game to get going. Tyler hasnt been consistent enough to do it alot. Seems like the Wazzu D knows that too, they were daring us to do it. Have to see this specific play again, the hash we were on might have played a role as well. I really dont wanna ****ing rewatch it tho lol.

[JRK1212]

Has Hansen thrown one "deep ball" in either of the last two games? I don't think so.

[Darth Snow]

Has Hansen thrown one "deep ball" in either of the last two games? I don't think so. umm. he had the 30 yard go route to Tclem that he missed on the drive where we missed the 3d and 6.

[JRK1212]

umm. he had the 30 yard go route to Tclem that he missed on the drive where we missed the 3d and 6.

That wasn't 30 yards and I wouldn't consider a 30 yard pass a "deep ball" anyways. We got so lucky there, not sure what the ref saw.

[Darth Snow]

That wasn't 30 yards and I wouldn't consider a 30 yard pass a "deep ball" anyways. We got so lucky there, not sure what the ref saw. Oh, agree completely. If you remember the depth better, go for it. But that was as close as we got to a deep thrwo that i can remember.

[JWP303]

I hate the call only because Tyler Hansen is our QB and we are who we are.

If you are in the NFL I think you have to pass. If you have a legit college QB, I think you have to pass. But Hansen has done absolutely nothing in his career to prove himself worthy of having the whole game placed on his shoulders like that. Furthermore, we were at home against Wazzou - a historically bad road team with an average offense - make them beat you.

I mean, I agree that you want a coach who has the balls to pass in that situation. But I also want a coach who is experienced and disciplined enough to play the percentages, and Tyler Hansen is never going to give you the best chance to win.

I also reject the notion that it ended up being a moot point because our secondary got burned so quickly. If there is less time on the clock, theoretically you are able to run different defensive schemes, etc. etc.

In the end the whole thing is a moot point because we were always going to lose the game because that's what we do - we lose football games.

[Gramburglar]

I am indifferent with pass/run in that situation (I would have run personally). I think EB thought we could complete the pass. The play call which drove me crazy was the 3rd and 2 from about the 15 before the blocked field goal. We ended up tossing the ball to the back of the endzone oppose to trying a run the first down. If we cant get two yards on third down im worried.

[Quattro]

Still think we should have ran the ball. At worst, we take 40 seconds off of the clock and leave them with less than a minute IIRC to drive. Could have turned out the same, but the urgency could have forced a few mistakes.

[TimmyDUBs]

I'm ok with the pass - but not the play they called. Nik pointed out yesterday that Hansen hadn't hit a pass rolling that way all day.

If I'm calling that play, I roll Hansen out to his right. If his guy is open, then he makes the pass. If is guy isn't open, then he tucks it and runs to kill the clock. Under no circumstance is he to force the ball.

Ok with the pass, but silly play to call

Has Hansen hit any rollouts to his right this season? I think he has maybe completed about 10% of those

[cnbuff410]

Has Hansen hit any rollouts to his right this season? I think he has maybe completed about 10% of those

He did hit one for a TD in OSU game. That's all I guess

[DBT]

QB has to make a better decision. Calling a pass is fine. But if it isn't there, even taking a sack is better than a low, low percentage throw. Tyler does not have a good football IQ.

[Tractor]

I am indifferent with pass/run in that situation (I would have run personally). I think EB thought we could complete the pass. The play call which drove me crazy was the 3rd and 2 from about the 15 before the blocked field goal. We ended up tossing the ball to the back of the endzone oppose to trying a run the first down. If we cant get two yards on third down im worried.

Totally agree, that was the play i hated more.

To be fair, we had a 3rd and 8 ish late in the game that I thought we ran a great play. We had P Rich split out right who was matched up on a CB, then Speedy went in motion outside of him. As soon as he passed PR, the CB followed him leaving our best WR against a LB. Our section was like "that ball's going to 6" Got the matchup, he made the catch (had to make a guy miss) and got the 1st down. That was a great call.

The fake screen to PRich, screen to SPeedy was great.

I have a question though, why don't we run successful plays again? That screen was an example. We gained about 35 yards, why not try it again? Why not actually throw it to Prich next time? That's what I liked about Wisconsin's offense, or 98G. Run it until the defense proves they can stop it. I feel like we save these plays for when we need them, but then only run it once. WTF? That's my beef with the play calling.

[Ralphandler1]

As many of you have now said it was not so much the fact EB called a pass as it was the pass he called. I dont like a shallow role out to the short side of the field especially to the left with a right handed QB. If the pass was not there we were screwed. He needed to role to his right with a run pass option. But it is true if the pass was completed no one would have questioned him at all. I think overall EB is going a great job with play calling. Better than I ever thought he would do. He still has some mistakes but seems to be learning and making adjustments. I think he will be great in a year or so.

[BehindEnemyLines]

Reminiscent of the later years of Shanny. I can't count the # of games where they would be winning a close game, have a 3rd and xx yards to go, within 3 minutes to play, and Shanny would call a pass -- most of which went incomplete and save the other team a timeout. And the broncs would lose.

Didn't have the misfortune to see the Buffs on Saturday, but if I had, and had seen that play, I'm pretty sure I would have screamed.

A screen or a draw there is also a good call, even if you don't get the 1st down; at least the clock keeps running.

[jpbuff]

Terrible call. You have a team that can't win on the road on the ropes. Why not run the ball and put the pressure on them to make a play. Ultimately they did but why not give them about 45 seconds less to move the ball. It might have changed there strategy to just get into field goal range. Instead they had plenty of time to pick and chose how they were going to move down the field.

[GoBuffs08]

Terrible call. You have a team that can't win on the road on the ropes. Why not run the ball and put the pressure on them to make a play. Ultimately they did but why not give them about 45 seconds less to move the ball. It might have changed there strategy to just get into field goal range. Instead they had plenty of time to pick and chose how they were going to move down the field.

Totally agree.

[DBT]

Terrible call. You have a team that can't win on the road on the ropes. Why not run the ball and put the pressure on them to make a play. Ultimately they did but why not give them about 45 seconds less to move the ball. It might have changed there strategy to just get into field goal range. Instead they had plenty of time to pick and chose how they were going to move down the field.Pretty obvious to me that they felt like they HAD to get a first down there. Could they have called a better play? Yep. Could they have excecuted better? Yep. But the coaches knew a first down would win the game and not getting one would give WSU a shot.

[BuffNut99]

Totally agree.
I think you run the ball on 3rd down. I understand throwing it and trying to put the game away on one play. But if you run it, get stopped, get the clock down to around a minute, pin them back inside the 20... it changes your defensive scheme. You can afford to sit back a little and force them to dink and dunk to try and get into field goal range. One of the reasons that Perkins was even in a position to bite on the TD pass was that we had to defend against the 15-20 yard pass, because there was still enough time left on the clock for that play to hurt us. Perkins should have known better anyway, but, in scenario B, if Wazzu has the ball out to our 25 (after a couple of plays), the clock is probably around :40 and Perkins is playing center field, and we would never let a WR get behind us there.

[Buffnik]

Is everyone being consistent with what he wanted at the time the play was live?

I wanted a pass and I'm not going back on that. I think you take your shot to win it right there. Get 6 yards with a throw or Hansen scramble and we're taking a knee to end the game.

[DBT]

How about Speedy running OB earlier? I was like, WTF?

[DBT]

Is everyone being consistent with what he wanted at the time the play was live?

I wanted a pass and I'm not going back on that. I think you take your shot to win it right there. Get 6 yards with a throw or Hansen scramble and we're taking a knee to end the game.I wanted a pass but I didn't like the one they called. It was pretty low percentage, I thought.

[jpbuff]

Throw an incomplete pass and guess what happens. Way, way to much time left on the clock.


Is everyone being consistent with what he wanted at the time the play was live?

I wanted a pass and I'm not going back on that. I think you take your shot to win it right there. Get 6 yards with a throw or Hansen scramble and we're taking a knee to end the game.

[Darth Snow]

Throw an incomplete pass and guess what happens. Way, way to much time left on the clock. They had 2 time outs and 2 minutes left. If we run the ball and don't get the 1st, they either have 2 minutes and 1 time out, or 1:20~ and 2 time outs. Way to much time either way. Only thing worth doing was getting that 1st down.

[wsp4820]

In hindsight, they used the sweet PRich/Speedy fake flair right to PRich, throw back left to Speedy play way too early in the game.

[jpbuff]

They had 2 time outs and 2 minutes left. If we run the ball and don't get the 1st, they either have 2 minutes and 1 time out, or 1:20~ and 2 time outs. Way to much time either way. Only thing worth doing was getting that 1st down.

Washington State called their final timout at 2:03 left in the game. The play right before our incomplete pass. So they had no timeouts before we ran our incomplete pass to stop the clock for them. Run it, qb sneak it, take a knee but keep the damn clock running.

[SECOBuffsFan]

I wanted a run, they should have ran the ball and they should have told their safeties (Perkins) not to bite on pump fakes and go for interceptions

[Darth Snow]

Washington State called their final timout at 2:03 left in the game. The play right before our incomplete pass. So they had no timeouts before we ran our incomplete pass to stop the clock for them. Run it, qb sneak it, take a knee but keep the damn clock running.

Fine, 2 minutes or 1:20, they scored in 40 seconds.

[GoBuffs08]

Washington State called their final timout at 2:03 left in the game. The play right before our incomplete pass. So they had no timeouts before we ran our incomplete pass to stop the clock for them. Run it, qb sneak it, take a knee but keep the damn clock running.

THIS-

We talk about being a tough smash mouth team. Bieniemy needed to call a play with zero % chance of stopping the clock.

[Darth Snow]

THIS-

We talk about being a tough smash mouth team. Bieniemy needed to call a play with zero % chance of stopping the clock.

Stopping the clock: good.
Getting the first down: better. You guys act like picking up the first down was worth nothing. We had two CBs who got their first college snaps ever at the position playing, and they were killing our in the 4th. It sucks it didn't work out, but you can't vilify the decision to pass.

[Creebuzz]

I was in chat and called for a run. I immediately thought it was a bad call and said so. Run the 40 seconds off and punt. The fact that they scored really quickly is irrelevant. The whole nature of WSU's last drive would have changed with less time on the clock. They essentially would have been looking at longer throws to get huge chunks of yardage (thus allowing us to play a true prevent D). However, since they had more time they were able to work the middle of the field over 10 yards and could've marched down the field.

[cnbuff410]

I was expecting the pass. I wanted us to win immediately and no need to worry any more. With our DB, everything could happen in just 30 seconds.

I think it's a right call. We just failed to execute it.

[sliderNcider]

Runnign the ball would have been conceding defeat in my mind

[JWP303]

Fine, 2 minutes or 1:20, they scored in 40 seconds.

As I said earlier in the thread, Brown would be able to call different defenses if the clock is 1:20 vs. 2:00. So, to assume they would have scored in 40 seconds ignores the major difference in running a 2 minute drill with 2 minutes vs. running it with 1:20. Apples/oranges.

[JWP303]

Is everyone being consistent with what he wanted at the time the play was live?

I wanted a pass and I'm not going back on that. I think you take your shot to win it right there. Get 6 yards with a throw or Hansen scramble and we're taking a knee to end the game.

I was adamant from the start that you have to run. Some people in my party disagreed, but again, I think the one thing everyone is discounting is that you have to strategize for OUR personnel. Sure, passing is the right call in the NFL or a solid program with a good QB, but our offense is bad, our QB is bad, and they have not proven themselves trustworthy in these situations. You play it conservative because you are at home against a bad team. Play the percentages, don't buck conventional wisdom when you are as bad as we are.

[Darth Snow]

I was adamant from the start that you have to run. Some people in my party disagreed, but again, I think the one thing everyone is discounting is that you have to strategize for OUR personnel. Sure, passing is the right call in the NFL or a solid program with a good QB, but our offense is bad, our QB is bad, and they have not proven themselves trustworthy in these situations. You play it conservative because you are at home against a bad team. Play the percentages, don't buck conventional wisdom when you are as bad as we are.

I noticed you talking a lot about the offense's problems. How do you address the defensive liabilities that were no doubt the driving factor behind the decision to pass? Please, strategize for THOSE personnel.

[JWP303]

I noticed you talking a lot about the offense's problems. How do you address the defensive liabilities that were no doubt the driving factor behind the decision to pass? Please, strategize for THOSE personnel.

That's a fair point.

Again, it's a percentage play. You put the pressure on the other team to convert a low percentage situation (driving 60+ yards with no timeouts in a hostile environment.) I'd still rather put the pressure on a very average Wazzou team in a clear-cut passing situation. I thought that during the TO after 3rd down and I still feel that way. I would never put the ball in Hansen's hands there because of my fear that he'd do exactly what he did.

[Darth Snow]

That's a fair point.

Again, it's a percentage play. You put the pressure on the other team to convert a low percentage situation (driving 60+ yards with no timeouts in a hostile environment.) I'd still rather put the pressure on a very average Wazzou team in a clear-cut passing situation. I thought that during the TO after 3rd down and I still feel that way. I would never put the ball in Hansen's hands there because of my fear that he'd do exactly what he did. And thats a fair viewpoint... I'm pretty sure the coaches would rather have the ball in hansen's hands then depend on our D at that point.

Plus, what was the % change in the likelihood of our D holding them with 2 minutes or with 1:20? Would it have gone from 60 to 40? Vs the % change if our O makes that first down? (goes from 60 to 0)....

I'm not gonna do the math, but I'm pretty sure the % was on the side of going for the first down.

[JWP303]

And thats a fair viewpoint... I'm pretty sure the coaches would rather have the ball in hansen's hands then depend on our D at that point.

Plus, what was the % change in the likelihood of our D holding them with 2 minutes or with 1:20? Would it have gone from 60 to 40? Vs the % change if our O makes that first down? (goes from 60 to 0)....

I'm not gonna do the math, but I'm pretty sure the % was on the side of going for the first down.

I see how a logical person could disagree with me... But if it's me calling the shots, I don't put the game in Hansen's hands. He is not clutch, he is not even keeled, he is not especially athletic. If you HAVE to go for it there, let him roll right for a run/pass option. But if I am coaching I run 100% of the time, put the ball in either of our RB's hands (who I trust more than Hansen), and then force Wazzou to pass into an 8 man secondary.

[Darth Snow]

I see how a logical person could disagree with me... But if it's me calling the shots, I don't put the game in Hansen's hands. He is not clutch, he is not even keeled, he is not especially athletic. If you HAVE to go for it there, let him roll right for a run/pass option. But if I am coaching I run 100% of the time, put the ball in either of our RB's hands (who I trust more than Hansen), and then force Wazzou to pass into an 8 man secondary. On reflection, I would rather have run it twice and gone for it on 4th if we got good yardage on 3d.

[TimmyDUBs]

Running is the play you make if you don't want to lose. Bienemy doesn't like that 'loser' mentality and wanted to make a play to guarantee the win. Problem is that we have a team full of losers, so Bienemy should probably have sucked up his pride and stuck to the call that keeps the clock running.

[JWP303]

Running is the play you make if you don't want to lose. Bienemy doesn't like that 'loser' mentality and wanted to make a play to guarantee the win. Problem is that we have a team full of losers, so Bienemy should probably have sucked up his pride and stuck to the call that keeps the clock running.

Bingo.

This is EXACTLY the point I am trying to make. I love that our coaches have it in them to go for the win in that situation, but you have to know your team and your limitations... Hansen is going to burn you more often than not in that situation - as he has proven time and time again.

[Darth Snow]

Bingo.

This is EXACTLY the point I am trying to make. I love that our coaches have it in them to go for the win in that situation, but you have to know your team and your limitations... Hansen is going to burn you more often than not in that situation - as he has proven time and time again.

So, I'm guessing you would not be in favor of going for it on 4th and 1 if that 3d down run had gotten us there?

[CUBuffs12]

I like the decision to go for the win but not the execution. Not a fan of the idea of running the ball for 2-3 yards then punting and hoping your defense holds(which in our case wouldn't have mattered since they scored in 40 seconds anyways). But hopefully EB learns from this if if presented with a similar decision again calls a more efficient play.

[Darth Snow]

I like the decision to go for the win but not the execution. Not a fan of the idea of running the ball for 2-3 yards then punting and hoping your defense holds(which in our case wouldn't have mattered since they scored in 40 seconds anyways). But hopefully EB learns from this if if presented with a similar decision again calls a more efficient play. Efficiency is in doubt as to run v pass. Especially since someone didn't even run the called play.

[JWP303]

So, I'm guessing you would not be in favor of going for it on 4th and 1 if that 3d down run had gotten us there?

Nah, not on Saturday, not with this team. If I'm Embree I'm taking the uber conservative approach and trying to grind out a victory. Again, it's all situation dependent. If we're punting to Andrew Luck instead of the Cougar backup then maybe I rethink my philosophy (granted, this rings hollow given they proceeded to shred us deep, but I'm still all about the percentages and I've gotta believe we're going to stop them more often than they're going to shred us.)

[Darth Snow]

Nah, not on Saturday, not with this team. If I'm Embree I'm taking the uber conservative approach and trying to grind out a victory. Again, it's all situation dependent. If we're punting to Andrew Luck instead of the Cougar backup then maybe I rethink my philosophy (granted, this rings hollow given they proceeded to shred us deep, but I'm still all about the percentages and I've gotta believe we're going to stop them more often than they're going to shred us.) Given our secondary was made up of the shredded remains of our depth chart, I think this is our primary disagreement :lol:

[wsp4820]

Given our secondary was made up of the shredded remains of our depth chart, I think this is our primary disagreement :lol:

And given how quickly and easily they scored the first of the two final touchdowns. Defense had nothing left. No pressure on the QB, huge cushions for the receivers, shoddy tackling. The crowd knew it, the coaches knew it, and the players knew it: if WSU got the ball back we were going to lose.

[GoonieBuff]

Is everyone being consistent with what he wanted at the time the play was live?

I think you take your shot to win it right there. Get 6 yards with a throw or Hansen scramble and we're taking a knee to end the game.

I agree 100%.

I wanted a pass (just not THAT pass) and said so to my friends at the time at the game, and I'm not going back on that.

I love that we established the run, but I don' think a run would have worked, plus, a first down seals the game. There needs to be a money play that the team all believes in and knows will work when it is needed and used. I would still want a pass in that situation in the future (unless the same pass play is called, then by all means, RUN).

[JRK1212]

In the UCLA/WSU game on Saturday UCLA was in the exact same position we were in against WSU. About 2 minutes left up by 3 with the ball on 3rd down and no timeouts left for WSU. They threw the ball (to Josh Smith) and got the first, game over. Again, IMO the only mistake we made was not throwing it on 1st and 2nd down as well.

[JWP303]

In the UCLA/WSU game on Saturday UCLA was in the exact same position we were in against WSU. About 2 minutes left up by 3 with the ball on 3rd down and no timeouts left for WSU. They threw the ball (to Josh Smith) and got the first, game over. Again, IMO the only mistake we made was not throwing it on 1st and 2nd down as well.

I remain convinced Hansen will burn you more times than he will make the play in that situation. I am not putting the ball in his hands with the game on the line if I can help it. Run, run, run, punt. Hated the call then and I still hate it now.

[BuffUp]

boils down to the kids need to make the play - that Speedy screen for the should have been first down against Stanford could have changed the momentum - players have to make the play

[BuffUp]

I remain convinced Hansen will burn you more times than he will make the play in that situation. I am not putting the ball in his hands with the game on the line if I can help it. Run, run, run, punt. Hated the call then and I still hate it now.
almost like the KU game last year - could have ran out the 25 sec clock, back up 5 yards penalty, run a roll out and Hansen take time off the clock running around, punt team take a penalty (kill the 25 sec clock again) then snap for punt at the last second--- Stanford gets the ball with very little time / problem is they scored in like 45 seconds:cry: