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Disclaimer: I've witnessed the Hawaii opener, Stanford last year, and Fresno State up close and personal, and I can assure you these guys have no idea what the F they're doing on the sidelines.
However, to understand the situation, you have to analyze the recruiting from class to class. It comes down to how Hawk not only had some massive attrition + mediocre recruits who've seen the field from the 2009 and 2010 classes, but Embree also had massive attrition from his first class (2011) and has played mediocre recruits of his own. The equation doesn't lie - we're not fielding talented teams, we're not keeping a majority of our recruiting classes, and we're not employing good coaches. Result, utter disaster.
2012 recruiting class has so far been the only glimmer of hope as most of those recruits have stayed, and none appear to out and out suck quite yet, so that's good. But lot of unknowns in that class. Embree, or whoever takes over, has to have the 2013 class be equally committed to CU after enrolling and also have them at a minimum play to their potential, but more likely above their potential, to even get back to .500 football. Some might have to have genetic experimentation to infuse sufficient football skills that will require scientific expertise way beyond current capabilities will allow.
2009:
Total commit size - 20
Total number of players to contribute on a consistent basis - 8 (40%)
Bakhtiari, Bonsu, Handler, Harris, Kasa, Moten, Orms, D. Webb
Total number of players to infrequently contribute, leave or do nothing - 12
Darden, Evans, Grossnickle, Jefferson, Nobriga, Nuckols, Olatoye, Simmons, Simon, Thorton, Ussery, West
2010:
Total commit size - 24
Total number of players to contribute on a consistent basis - 10 (42%)
Bell, Hirshman, T. Jones, Lewis, Munyer, Poston, Richardson, Slavin, T. Smith, Uzo-Diribe
Total number of players to infrequently contribute, leave or do nothing - 14
Canty, Castor, Clark, Crabb, Duncan, Favors, Griffon, Harringon, Tr. Jones, Mobley, Poole, Richter, Torres, Williams
2011:
Total commit size - 23
Total number of players to contribute on a consistent basis - 11 (48%)
Daigh, Greer, Henderson, McCulloch, Nembot, Oliver, Parker, Spruce, Cotner (benefit of doubt), Mustoe (benefit of doubt), Kelley (benefit of doubt)
Total number of players to infrequently contribute, leave or likely do nothing based on game days - 12
Asiata, Burnette, Clark, Creer, Dorman, Goodson, Hall, Harlos, Harrington, Tuumalo, Vincent, Washington
There you have it. That's essentially our team categorized into 1. are you helping? or 2. are you taking up space? Embree has already had a disaster of a recruiting class in 2011 with just 48% likely contribute meaningful football. Don't confuse "contributed on a consistent basis" with 1. actually being a Pac-12 talent and 2. saw starter quality minutes. A lot of the contributors couldn't play for Hackensack State CC. But if you're going to categorize a player like Greer, or Moten, guys who aren't starters but you see their jerseys on the field for enough time on Saturday, they have thrown into the contributing bucket based on game action. How useful they actually are is entirely up for debate.
So long story short, regardless of who we bring in, and I'm all for firing Embree/never hiring Embree, we're f'ed unless the 2012 class turns out to have a majority of stars and they stick around for the later half of their careers, and the subsequent 2013 and 2014 classes share the same consistency. If neither of those things happen, then it will really take a miracle for CU to be worth a damn on Saturdays.
However, to understand the situation, you have to analyze the recruiting from class to class. It comes down to how Hawk not only had some massive attrition + mediocre recruits who've seen the field from the 2009 and 2010 classes, but Embree also had massive attrition from his first class (2011) and has played mediocre recruits of his own. The equation doesn't lie - we're not fielding talented teams, we're not keeping a majority of our recruiting classes, and we're not employing good coaches. Result, utter disaster.
2012 recruiting class has so far been the only glimmer of hope as most of those recruits have stayed, and none appear to out and out suck quite yet, so that's good. But lot of unknowns in that class. Embree, or whoever takes over, has to have the 2013 class be equally committed to CU after enrolling and also have them at a minimum play to their potential, but more likely above their potential, to even get back to .500 football. Some might have to have genetic experimentation to infuse sufficient football skills that will require scientific expertise way beyond current capabilities will allow.
2009:
Total commit size - 20
Total number of players to contribute on a consistent basis - 8 (40%)
Bakhtiari, Bonsu, Handler, Harris, Kasa, Moten, Orms, D. Webb
Total number of players to infrequently contribute, leave or do nothing - 12
Darden, Evans, Grossnickle, Jefferson, Nobriga, Nuckols, Olatoye, Simmons, Simon, Thorton, Ussery, West
2010:
Total commit size - 24
Total number of players to contribute on a consistent basis - 10 (42%)
Bell, Hirshman, T. Jones, Lewis, Munyer, Poston, Richardson, Slavin, T. Smith, Uzo-Diribe
Total number of players to infrequently contribute, leave or do nothing - 14
Canty, Castor, Clark, Crabb, Duncan, Favors, Griffon, Harringon, Tr. Jones, Mobley, Poole, Richter, Torres, Williams
2011:
Total commit size - 23
Total number of players to contribute on a consistent basis - 11 (48%)
Daigh, Greer, Henderson, McCulloch, Nembot, Oliver, Parker, Spruce, Cotner (benefit of doubt), Mustoe (benefit of doubt), Kelley (benefit of doubt)
Total number of players to infrequently contribute, leave or likely do nothing based on game days - 12
Asiata, Burnette, Clark, Creer, Dorman, Goodson, Hall, Harlos, Harrington, Tuumalo, Vincent, Washington
There you have it. That's essentially our team categorized into 1. are you helping? or 2. are you taking up space? Embree has already had a disaster of a recruiting class in 2011 with just 48% likely contribute meaningful football. Don't confuse "contributed on a consistent basis" with 1. actually being a Pac-12 talent and 2. saw starter quality minutes. A lot of the contributors couldn't play for Hackensack State CC. But if you're going to categorize a player like Greer, or Moten, guys who aren't starters but you see their jerseys on the field for enough time on Saturday, they have thrown into the contributing bucket based on game action. How useful they actually are is entirely up for debate.
So long story short, regardless of who we bring in, and I'm all for firing Embree/never hiring Embree, we're f'ed unless the 2012 class turns out to have a majority of stars and they stick around for the later half of their careers, and the subsequent 2013 and 2014 classes share the same consistency. If neither of those things happen, then it will really take a miracle for CU to be worth a damn on Saturdays.
