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Changing offensive scheme - not the solution.

BlackNGold

BlackNGold

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I see where CU is looking to change to some form of spread offense. Since no coach on the staff has any experience with that type of offense it may be time to try to bring in Bob Stitt from Mines. They will need some help somewhere since their present QBs are not really spread QBs. Although Nick Hirschman may have some of the attributes.

I really believe that in spite of the love affair with the Spread/read option offense the real way to build a great team is by building the defense. Some of the most impressive teams I have seen this year are defensively orientated. Alabama, Stanford, LSU, Notre Dame, Florida, to name a few. Oregon has a great offense but were stopped when they met a tough defense. I really think that Oklahoma and Texas started losing their edge when they seemed to place a higher premium on offense than defense.

I don't care if we go to the spread but I think the emphasis should be on building a stout defense.
 
Embree hopefully will take a real look at a DC. Said it a 1000 times. Can't drop 8-9 into coverage and not think the OC for the other team is not shaking his head. The games against Arizona, Washington, and Utah are not showing the D is getting better. 12 games in and no one can turn around to find a football. I would make the assumption that Stitt has been talked to before or right after the USA Today article. If that's the case and he does come, Embree needs to sit his hard-headed ass down and listen. As a former track coach, there is no speed. It wouldn't hurt to get with the track coach and get the WRs, RBs and defensive backs with him in the off-season. Seen FB and BB players about drop dead from the track sprint workouts and they think they are fast. Train these guys as 400 m runners and you will see the difference.
 
cubuffthis said:
Embree hopefully will take a real look at a DC. Said it a 1000 times. Can't drop 8-9 into coverage and not think the OC for the other team is not shaking his head. The games against Arizona, Washington, and Utah are not showing the D is getting better. 12 games in and no one can turn around to find a football. I would make the assumption that Stitt has been talked to before or right after the USA Today article. If that's the case and he does come, Embree needs to sit his hard-headed ass down and listen. As a former track coach, there is no speed. It wouldn't hurt to get with the track coach and get the WRs, RBs and defensive backs with him in the off-season. Seen FB and BB players about drop dead from the track sprint workouts and they think they are fast. Train these guys as 400 m runners and you will see the difference.
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IMO, you need to recruit very well to rely on defense. Look at the programs you listed.
 
How many times in the past 7 years have we changed our offensive scheme?

Good lord this is getting old.
 
Maybe Malzahn with his 8-3, first place in the Sub Belt Arkansas St. Wolves would like to rebuild this program. They played Oregon and didn't get 70 hung on their ass and scored 34.
 
I think a change in offensive philosophy given the conference we are in, and the difficulties of recruiting for and executing a pro-style offense makes sense. However that will require a new set of coaches (including HC) who are capable of implementing the change.
 
cubuffthis said:
Embree hopefully will take a real look at a DC. Said it a 1000 times. Can't drop 8-9 into coverage and not think the OC for the other team is not shaking his head. The games against Arizona, Washington, and Utah are not showing the D is getting better. 12 games in and no one can turn around to find a football. I would make the assumption that Stitt has been talked to before or right after the USA Today article. If that's the case and he does come, Embree needs to sit his hard-headed ass down and listen. As a former track coach, there is no speed. It wouldn't hurt to get with the track coach and get the WRs, RBs and defensive backs with him in the off-season. Seen FB and BB players about drop dead from the track sprint workouts and they think they are fast. Train these guys as 400 m runners and you will see the difference.
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This. Both my HS coaches were big believers in all their FB guys running track in the spring, even us big uglies. You could tell a difference. We weren't necessarily better athletes but we could run all day. We won alot.
 
cubuffthis said:
Maybe Malzahn with his 8-3, first place in the Sub Belt Arkansas St. Wolves would like to rebuild this program. They played Oregon and didn't get 70 hung on their ass and scored 34.
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They are far more committed to Malzahn than we can promise. You should see the facilities they are building for him. Way better than what we have and probably better than our "half measures" facility upgrades we someday announce the announcement of.
 
Problem is the play calling and talent, not the offensive scheme. The bigger problem is we don't have the players to run the spread.
 
The coaches just need to pick an offense and defense. I look at the recruiting and it is hard to figure out what the current coaches want to do on either side of the ball.
 
bigbang2 said:
Problem is the play calling and talent, not the offensive scheme. The bigger problem is we don't have the players to run the spread.
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I think next year we could pull of the spread easier than the Pro-style offense, assuming we have competent coaches running the show. Keep in mind there umpteen different interpretations of the spread so I think it is pretty reasonable to adapt the spread to the talent you do have. Most versions require plenty speedy receivers that make the D respect the pass.

This year we didn't have that but with PRich back, J. Thomas, G. Thomas, V. Hobbs, etc., a stable of backs that have potential to keep the D off balance and hopefully better WB play from Shane or Hirsch (or Sefo), I think we could do it. Might test our OL as they need to be mobile but I think our OL is decent they were coached poorly most of the year too.
 
bigbang2 said:
Problem is the play calling and talent, not the offensive scheme. The bigger problem is we don't have the players to run the spread.
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I hear this criticism about us not having the players to run the spread from time to time. Wasn't the point of the spread early on to give teams an advantage through scheme when they couldn't necessarily match up to the speed and size of their opponents?
 
lawdogg said:
I hear this criticism about us not having the players to run the spread from time to time. Wasn't the point of the spread early on to give teams an advantage through scheme when they couldn't necessarily match up to the speed and size of their opponents?
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Yes. that is the point of all option FB systems, from the old wishbone to today's spreads.....
 
leftybuff said:
Yes. that is the point of all option FB systems, from the old wishbone to today's spreads.....
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Precisely. So our lack of explosive speed players shouldn't necessarily be viewed as an impediment to installing spread offense concepts to our offense in earnest.
 
lawdogg said:
Precisely. So our lack of explosive speed players shouldn't necessarily be viewed as an impediment to installing spread offense concepts to our offense in earnest.
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I think we could probably run a passing variation of the spread decently. Powell wouldn't really fit it, but our other RBs would. I think you generally want more sure handed WRs for it as well, which we might not have.

We definitely don't have a QB that any defense will fear due to his mobility, so if we try to trot out the Oregon system we'll look pretty bad imo. Not enough speed for that system either.
 
Powell would fit in when we are in the red zone and short yardage situations. Oregon would have a MNC if they has a big back when they played Auburn.

That's the one thing the SEC is built for and does well: short yardage situations.
 
I am curious as to whether we are really going to the spread or we are still going to use the west coast offense, and just use more 3 wr formations and throw more on first down. I think trying to run a true spread offense with this offensive staff would be a mistake. The last time Jon Embree ran the spread was the early 90's under Mac when we were using the paleo-spread in 92-93.
 
BuffsRising said:
I am curious as to whether we are really going to the spread or we are still going to use the west coast offense, and just use more 3 wr formations and throw more on first down. I think trying to run a true spread offense with this offensive staff would be a mistake. The last time Jon Embree ran the spread was the early 90's under Mac when we were using the paleo-spread in 92-93.
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If Embree is back it won't be the same staff
 
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