Thoughts on the state of CU football

[90sBuff]

Like most of us, Friday was a huge letdown. Losing to the rams is a huge disappointment. Makes me sick really. As the weekend has gone on, I suddenly got my swagger back and I thought I'd see if anyone else here agrees.

At at the end of the day a few key points

1) We are CU! I don't think any of us would ever have considered going to CSU. There's just no comparison. I wear my CU stuff with pride today.

2). We belong to the PAC 12. No matter what csu does, they will remain outside looking in. They can say we've only won 4 pac 12 games but fact is, how many conference games have they played in against p5 teams. Zero. How many can they expect to play. Zero. Just the facts.

3) facilities are on the way and we all agree they look awesome.

4) our AD is finally the home run hire we needed. RG is not going to let the football program stay at rock bottom. he need to raise $ for the facilities and he was part of CU football in the glory days. He gets it. He's done an amazing job. I can't imagine anyone else at the helm that I would want.

5). We are at rock bottom. We won't fix this overnight. The recruiting sucks now but I doubt we can get 4 or 5 stars easily now. Our facilities will help. I'm not very patient but I think all the pieces are coming together to restore our football team. I'm going to let them recruit and see what they do. We've got the Flatirons, great TV exposure,we play in the Pac12 with teams with great tradition and those factors will eventually help us get better recruits. CSU can't offer that. Kids will want to play for P5 teams. Up the next few years will show that.

6). Reality check. It takes us being at rock bottom for a CSU to best us. Doesn't really mean so much when you think about it. Sure I hate to lose to them. But this is the worst of CU football. That's what it really takes for them to beat us. Let them enjoy it now. Cause once the train leaves the station and we are back to success, it won't stop.


7) motivation and unity! This loss can be a turning point. A reminder of now far we've sunk. I for one am not disappointed now as much as I am fired up to get this turned around, I'll do my part as a single fan. Our fans, team and school can all come together to unite. We can all agree the state of CU football is not acceptable. I think HCMM can do this.

Just had to share that. I've always been proud to be a CU alum. I say for CSU- Enjoy the Centnnial Cup this year, but you're still CSU. And doesn't the really just sum it up? Give them this little nugget of enjoyment cause in the big picture, it's temporary only.

GO Buffs!!!!!

 

[Tractor]

Lets go Buffs!

Good news:
TV money will keep coming in for a long time.
We are in a great conference of actual academic peers.
Beautiful venues to travel to, and we fit right in.
God this practice facility is going to rock.
I actually think it won't be that tough to get back to the top tier of this conference.

Hang in there Buffs! We can...We WILL do this.

 

[Duff Man]

How many rock bottoms are there?

 

[CVilleBuff]

Do we make use of our facility upgrades and recruit accordingly? No point in having it if we don't up our game.

 

[Darian3Hagan]

How many rock bottoms are there?

8 or so.

 

[GoBuffs88]

CU vs KU 2010
CU vs Fresno St 2012

Which one was deeper, not sure. But we are on the way up. The way up from the bottom of the Mariana's Trench is quite a ways. We can look back and know those are behind us. Vast majority of the team is young. I'm just as tired of "1 more year and we'll be better" but the truth is, we will be. Jackson III, Samson, Henington, and Markeis would have done wonders in that game. We can't call this as rock bottom, just a minor setback. Those games listed above were far, far worse.

Light is at the end of the tunnel.

Oh yeah, how could I forget CU vs Montana St 2006.

 

[CVilleBuff]

CU vs KU 2010
CU vs Fresno St 2012

Which one was deeper, not sure. But we are on the way up. The way up from the bottom of the Mariana's Trench is quite a ways. We can look back and know those are behind us. Vast majority of the team is young. I'm just as tired of "1 more year and we'll be better" but the truth is, we will be. Jackson III, Samson, Henington, and Markeis would have done wonders in that game. We can't call this as rock bottom, just a minor setback. Those games listed above were far, far worse.

Light is at the end of the tunnel.

Oh yeah, how could I forget CU vs Montana St 2006.

Many to choose from, but 2012 as a whole has to be the rock bottom. Trailing Fresno 48-0 early in the 2nd quarter, losing to Sacramento State (a bottom feeder Big Sky team) at home, losing to a horrendously bad CSU squad, regularly losing by scores of 70-14, 48-0, etc in conference play. And make no mistake, Fresno and a handful of Pac-12 teams could have easily hit 100 on us had they not emptied the bench in the 2nd quarter. While we have risen above that level, unfortunately we aren't as far above it 2 years later as one would hope.

 

[Eggon]

Lost to CSU in 1986. Went 0-4. Then won 6 of our last eight and beat Nebraska. Lost to Oregon and AZ early. We kinda sucked frankly and I was wondering why I was dumb enough to pony up for tickets when CSU pounced on our untalented butts.

History often repeats though seldom looks exactly the same, but we have been here before.

We we also won like 10 out of 12 against CSU and 8 straight after 86.


Just a bit of lore.

 

[Eggon]

CU vs KU 2010
CU vs Fresno St 2012

Which one was deeper, not sure. But we are on the way up. The way up from the bottom of the Mariana's Trench is quite a ways. We can look back and know those are behind us. Vast majority of the team is young. I'm just as tired of "1 more year and we'll be better" but the truth is, we will be. Jackson III, Samson, Henington, and Markeis would have done wonders in that game. We can't call this as rock bottom, just a minor setback. Those games listed above were far, far worse.

Light is at the end of the tunnel.

Oh yeah, how could I forget CU vs Montana St 2006.

Fresno.

 

[SuperBuff]

How many rock bottoms are there?

The team hasn't gone 0 fer in a season having ncaa sanctions mixed in. Hopefully the team isn't still digging.

 

[FrankRizzo]

Or one of those 70-0 Missouri game(s!), or Sacramento State...

 

[Uncle Ken]

Regarding the OP. I slightly agree with the premise (except this "rock bottom" nonsense--like the others I tend to think that we should be beyond rock bottom by now).

However, I question the agenda.

This has got to be an AD PR plant, right?

Whenever this happens, I try to explain to the AD that they need to get their plant active in the Spring, and they should be funny, and be active on this site outside of the football forum.

Just signed up? One post? Outlining the points the AD would outline to spin PR. C'mon Mr. George! Your team is better than this! Maybe this is rock bottom after all.

 

[Idot Buff]

Regarding the OP. I slightly agree with the premise (except this "rock bottom" nonsense--like the others I tend to think that we should be beyond rock bottom by now).

However, I question the agenda.

This has got to be an AD PR plant, right?

Whenever this happens, I try to explain to the AD that they need to get their plant active in the Spring, and they should be funny, and be active on this site outside of the football forum.

Just signed up? One post? Outlining the points the AD would outline to spin PR. C'mon Mr. George! Your team is better than this! Maybe this is rock bottom after all.

Funny. What other conspiracy theories do you subscribe to, bitch?

 

[sackman]

How many rock bottoms are there?

I felt like 2012 was rock bottom. I really hope we aren't that bad. I don't think I could handle that level if suckiness.

 

[Idot Buff]

I felt like 2012 was rock bottom. I really hope we aren't that bad. I don't think I could handle that level if suckiness.

i am not interested in defining our level of sucktitude. The point is, we continue to be a complete embarrassment in the college football world. Actually, it is more like we are close to being completely irrelevant, which is the death of a program.

 

[Uncle Ken]

Funny. What other conspiracy theories do you subscribe to, bitch?

Listen up sheeple!

I use my age and experience and my eyes and my ears. Don't believe what the ministry of truth tells you.

Follow the incentive. Who would have a reason to sign up to Allbuffs AFTER a disappointing loss, START a new thread to list the points why everything is okay?

Even 'Tini wouldn't do that.

The AD, that's who!

 

[90sBuff]

Plant for the AD

If I'm a plant for the AD, then I would like a parking pass on campus, free Buff club membership, and club seats. The fact is, I'm just a fan. I pay for season tickets and suffer through these seasons. I'm a netbuffs poster who reads allbuffs and felt it was time to join in.

But if Rick George would like to bring him into his inner circle to be part of CU's operations, I'm open to it. That's about as likely as being picked up by an alien spaceship and transported to a new planet in the galaxy.

Regarding the OP. I slightly agree with the premise (except this "rock bottom" nonsense--like the others I tend to think that we should be beyond rock bottom by now).

However, I question the agenda.

This has got to be an AD PR plant, right?

Whenever this happens, I try to explain to the AD that they need to get their plant active in the Spring, and they should be funny, and be active on this site outside of the football forum.

Just signed up? One post? Outlining the points the AD would outline to spin PR. C'mon Mr. George! Your team is better than this! Maybe this is rock bottom after all.

 

[Deleted member 807]

The status or CU football...We should never measure ourselves using CSU as a ruler. Our aspirations should be the legitimate pursuit of the Rose Bowl. Our peers include USC, Oregon, UCLA, Arizona State, and the rest of the P12. Those programs should respect Colorado football as something other than an automatic win on their schedules.

Speaking of CSU, in their last two games, they are 2-0 against Pac 12 teams. How the hell did that happen? In both cases, they played from behind and found a way to win. Not only do their fans have scoreboard, they have recent memory of a bowl victory. Props to them for aspiring to better themselves. It's been a long, long time since CU football has gone to a bowl and returned with a victory.

I'm all for CU pride. But pride does not equal acceptance of timid or weak play. Pride is not defined by unity nor does pride require patience. Pride is the result of a job well done. We have pride in the actions of Rick George to quickly build much needed facilities. The construction crew has made plans, set deadlines, and is meeting deadlines. Pride is not a word I'd use to describe the experience of using our student athletes as a prop to make Dee Hart a star. Our chests swell with pride as Tad Boyle and the men's basketball team transformed the CEC into one of the toughest and loudest venues in the Pac12. We have pride and respect for Mark Wetmore to bring home conference and NCAA championship trophies year after year.

Our pride as fans resides in the desire to put our student athletes upon a national stage where they can showcase their talents. When they win, we celebrate their accomplishments. When they lose, we don't turtle into complacency. We expect the custodians of our student athletes to quickly get to the root cause of the issue and then do something material to fix it. We fans have an obligation to deliver a swift kick to the pants of the CUAD when the situation calls for such. Spin control that leans too heavy on the theme of patience and unity isn't going to cut it anymore. That horse has been beat to death. CU's problems do not start or end at the attitudes and commentary of passionate fans.

We want the students on campus to enjoy the CU football experience, and turn them into life-long passionate supporters of CU athletics. We want students that are on campus now to share in the magic that existed twenty five years ago. For too long, the marketing of CU football has been all sizzle and no steak. It doesn't work anymore to shame passionate fans into some platitude about being content to just be a member of the Pac12. We recognize that any number of universities who are on the outside of the P5 are doing everything they can to have the same seat at the table that CU enjoys. CU can not afford to be complacent with our conference affiliation. We have to prove we are worthy members of the Conference of Champions. We expect progress.

No no matter how you slice it, the opening game was a setback. It's on the coaches and players to figure out how to beat UMass and go on to prove they are capable of overcoming adversity. Go Buffs.

 

[Buffnik]

If I'm a plant for the AD, then I would like a parking pass on campus, free Buff club membership, and club seats. The fact is, I'm just a fan. I pay for season tickets and suffer through these seasons. I'm a netbuffs poster who reads allbuffs and felt it was time to join in.

But if Rick George would like to bring him into his inner circle to be part of CU's operations, I'm open to it. That's about as likely as being picked up by an alien spaceship and transported to a new planet in the galaxy.

First, welcome to the board.

My main objection to your post was that it judged CU in comparison to CSU. They're not our benchmark. I get that we're coming off a loss to them, so there's context. Maybe I'm weird in that it was looking so out-muscled against a non-P5 team that bothered me. The fact that it was against CSU didn't really upset me that much. The game itself (win or lose) upsets me, but CSU doesn't.

Beyond that, I agree with your post. It was an awful performance, but a little perspective is necessary. One awful performance doesn't equal an awful season or equal a coaching staff that will fail here. Perspective -- some more of it would be a good thing for a lot of folks.

 

[Liver]

USA today has us at about #6 on their college football misery index and notes that we should be seeing more positive momentum than this. They also suggest we are unlikely to ever be an elite program again. At this point, I'm not sure how we could disagree. We are currently among the very worst p5 programs in America and I am struggling to see a path to mediocrity let alone greatness right now. That loss came at a terrible time for the program. Rallying again and becoming hopeful again are going to require some work.

 

[BuffLuke80]

Only place to go is up, unless there are 8 rock bottoms, that would ****ing suck. These guys need to just learn from it and move on, strap it up, play with a purpose. I wouldn't mind a few personal fouls because they are being aggressive.

 

[MtnBuff]

USA today has us at about #6 on their college football misery index and notes that we should be seeing more positive momentum than this. They also suggest we are unlikely to ever be an elite program again. At this point, I'm not sure how we could disagree. We are currently among the very worst p5 programs in America and I am struggling to see a path to mediocrity let alone greatness right now. That loss came at a terrible time for the program. Rallying again and becoming hopeful again are going to require some work.

No question we are solidly in the bottom 10 programs in the country.

I disagree with never getting back to elite again. The support for a decent program is here. We are in a conference that if we can start to establish momentum opportunities will be there.

The biggest problem is getting out of this stinking outhouse pit we are in. Once we do that then we have a program that will be desirable to recruits, that will have fan and money support, that can maintain and build on success.

 

[Buffnik]

USA today has us at about #6 on their college football misery index and notes that we should be seeing more positive momentum than this. They also suggest we are unlikely to ever be an elite program again. At this point, I'm not sure how we could disagree. We are currently among the very worst p5 programs in America and I am struggling to see a path to mediocrity let alone greatness right now. That loss came at a terrible time for the program. Rallying again and becoming hopeful again are going to require some work.

It's hard to turn around 20 years of neglect in 18 months of giving a ****.

And, yes, it's been 20 years. Rome didn't collapse the first day of complacency.

 

[Pale Ale]

**** Bailer was at rock bottom for a lot longer than us, and they have soared to new heights. KSU found a way, ISU, well, at least we are not ISU. AU and ASU have not been historically good programs and they are finding some success.

When people start writing us off as never being able to be good again, this tells me are very close to turning it around.

 

[90sBuff]

Thanks and we agree on this too.....

Thanks for the welcome. My point wasn't to compare us to CSU. What I was trying to say was that even though we lost, I'm much happier to be CU with the advantages we have coming. When I went to CU, we played CSU twice during my time there. It was no different than playing K-state then. It was just a cakewalk. We didn't even think twice about CSU- they were pretty meaningless.

What at I was trying to say is that we will benefit from being P5 and we have advantages that can help get us out of this mess. We are in football hell right now with the team and our record, but I think that we can get back to being great again.

One question I'd like to ask people here.....

I was thinking we should fire HCMM on Friday night. But I then realized it doesn't make sense. It's a knee jerk reaction to the loss.

What at made me feel better is realizing that we have RG as AD, instead of Bohn who tended to bring in coaches from Tulsa, and other Wac'ish places. Since RG didn't hire HCMM, don't you all think it will be easier for him to get rid of HCMM? I'm thin on g he would have no problem getting his own guy, when the time was right. Maybe even coach Mac, the original!

And if he did decide to get rid of HCMM... When would RG decide to fire HCMM?

Do you all think RG may just decide to wait til our facilities are done Get that completed and then make a change at that point if we are not showing the right progress? Or, does HCMM get a few years more after that. I like HCMM and I honestly think that the 2* recruits aren't going to turn us around. But I'm not sure who else he can't get right about now with the state of our program.

First, welcome to the board.

My main objection to your post was that it judged CU in comparison to CSU. They're not our benchmark. I get that we're coming off a loss to them, so there's context. Maybe I'm weird in that it was looking so out-muscled against a non-P5 team that bothered me. The fact that it was against CSU didn't really upset me that much. The game itself (win or lose) upsets me, but CSU doesn't.

Beyond that, I agree with your post. It was an awful performance, but a little perspective is necessary. One awful performance doesn't equal an awful season or equal a coaching staff that will fail here. Perspective -- some more of it would be a good thing for a lot of folks.

 

[Eggon]

Thanks for the welcome. My point wasn't to compare us to CSU. What I was trying to say was that even though we lost, I'm much happier to be CU with the advantages we have coming. When I went to CU, we played CSU twice during my time there. It was no different than playing K-state then. It was just a cakewalk. We didn't even think twice about CSU- they were pretty meaningless.

What at I was trying to say is that we will benefit from being P5 and we have advantages that can help get us out of this mess. We are in football hell right now with the team and our record, but I think that we can get back to being great again.

One question I'd like to ask people here.....

I was thinking we should fire HCMM on Friday night. But I then realized it doesn't make sense. It's a knee jerk reaction to the loss.

What at made me feel better is realizing that we have RG as AD, instead of Bohn who tended to bring in coaches from Tulsa, and other Wac'ish places. Since RG didn't hire HCMM, don't you all think it will be easier for him to get rid of HCMM? I'm thin on g he would have no problem getting his own guy, when the time was right. Maybe even coach Mac, the original!

And if he did decide to get rid of HCMM... When would RG decide to fire HCMM?

Do you all think RG may just decide to wait til our facilities are done Get that completed and then make a change at that point if we are not showing the right progress? Or, does HCMM get a few years more after that. I like HCMM and I honestly think that the 2* recruits aren't going to turn us around. But I'm not sure who else he can't get right about now with the state of our program.

You will see other changes in staff before Mac II is on the block. One game does not a season make. MacII is attempting to produce a silk purse from a pigs ear (years of neglect from administration and several staffs yet tremendous potential given conference and program history = pigs ear). MacII is likely to succeed from my perspective, but if I am wrong there is time enough for Rick George to deal with whatever the future requires. I agree with you that Rick G is a winner and will get this done one way or another!

As for MacI nothing but huge gratitude for what he has done in a football sense for the program and our history, and hope he will remain a contributor to the program, but recruiting is not going to change under that scenario IMHO.

I believe MacII gets this thing out of a skid.

 

[Deleted member 807]

Speaking of perspective, it's critical to separate the behavior from the person.

The problem is not Mike MacIntyre. The problem is that the 2014 home opener exposed softness at more than one position grouping, and a lack of fight for 4 full quarters. This result was all the more surprising when comparing the 2014 CSU game against the 2013 edition. Why has the team regressed after an other year under McIntyre?

This coaching staff is either part of the problem, or part of the solution. These coaches have one basic responsibility, and that is to display progress on the football field. The coaches deserve the opportunity to respond and react to this opening day setback. They have 11 more games to prove themselves as motivators, talent evaluators, play callers, and leaders. The bar is pretty low, too. We understand that football success is more about Jimmy's and Joes than X's and O's. We recognize that 4 wins is more probable than bowl eligibility.

But we have no tolerance for year over year regression and more lopsided beat downs.

In the past 10 years we have seen other football programs with less historical success leave CU in the dust. It is not impossible for CU to accomplish something special. We just have to WANT TO more than everybody else.

 

[Liver]

Just being in the p5 isn't enough to ensure a turnaround. Everyone is getting better and making investments. The ****stick bailer ****ing **** **** bears have improved so much because they made a wide reaching decision to make moves to become good. There may never be enough consensus in the CU community to achieve someone similar.

The hope has been that we could find a coach who could outperform the inherent limitations like Mac did years ago. That hasn't happened. We just fall further and further behind. The p5 will have its perennial bottom feeders and we are now firmly entrenched in that category.

RG has done really good work so far. A modern org structure, accountability, etc. the facilities upgrades will help. The commitment to pay top dollar salaries will help. The academic support services will help. But, I honestly wonder if it is just too little too late. And with the traditional hostility towards sports within some parts of the CU community impeding our ability to take certain short cuts to get quick improvement... Well, I don't know if we are prepared to pay the price to be elite again.

It is probably just the sting of another unbelievably bad, soul crushing loss that is bothering me. I guess.

 

[Idot Buff]

The ball busting defeat drove us further into the depths of irrelevancy.

 

[BuffaloChuck]

I thought Nik was the AD plant? Are there more AD plants than bottoms? But I'll have to vote Sac State as a bottom. Even 70-3 wasn't so much but that championship game, along with the Fresno one, was really more of a toilet-flush instead of a downward spiral. A loss to an always bad Sac State just shouldn't have ever happened.