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I think it's been mentioned, but it's worth repeating.

That play is probably one that is designed more for B-Jax than Sumler. While I've heard that Sumler can throw the ball, I have to think that they were getting that play on film so it would give the future opponents one more thing to have to think about. Yeah, they ran it one or two too many times, but the first few times it was effective. There's more to that play than first meets the eye. If B-Jax is ruled academically ineligible, then I don't think we will see that formation much more this season
 
I think it's been mentioned, but it's worth repeating.

That play is probably one that is designed more for B-Jax than Sumler. While I've heard that Sumler can throw the ball, I have to think that they were getting that play on film so it would give the future opponents one more thing to have to think about. Yeah, they ran it one or two too many times, but the first few times it was effective. There's more to that play than first meets the eye. If B-Jax is ruled academically ineligible, then I don't think we will see that formation much more this season

I agree there are more wrinkles designed for that play. But after watching several games this weekend, it also seems to be the hot trend around the country this year. Clemson was running it some last night, and I saw 3-4 other teams running some version of it too. Arkansas apparently was running it with McFadden last year, and apparently lots of other teams are trying to duplicate it. :huh:
 
But I don't understand that play.

NO DEFENSE is going to consider Cody Hawkins any type of threat. I saw someone post the other day that splitting Cody out wide forced CSU to move a linebacker out to cover Cody. Watching the replay- I didn't ever see a linebacker follow Cody out to the WR spot. Rather, the first time a safety moved over, and after that they didn't really shift at all.

Wouldn't it be more effective to just run the RB over there? The RB IS a legitimate threat that the defense would respond to. Cody Hawkins split out wide is not a threat. First of all, its questionable as to whether a non-QB could throw the ball. Then it's questionable as to whether the ball would even get there. And finally it's questionable as to whether Hawkins would be able to catch the ball.

That may have been a "give them something to think about" play - but I think it could have been run ONE TIME and it would have given future opponents something to think about.
 
I think it's been mentioned, but it's worth repeating.

That play is probably one that is designed more for B-Jax than Sumler. While I've heard that Sumler can throw the ball, I have to think that they were getting that play on film so it would give the future opponents one more thing to have to think about. Yeah, they ran it one or two too many times, but the first few times it was effective. There's more to that play than first meets the eye. If B-Jax is ruled academically ineligible, then I don't think we will see that formation much more this season

You are right, it is worth repeating, see above.:thumbsup:
 
they are trying to cause confusion, both in the game and on the film.

they install a specialized scheme for each opponent that includes the usual stuff that every staff does (i.e. looking for areas where you think you have a scheme or athletic advantage or where you see strength v. weakness) but also more than that.

they want to give a defense a lot of different looks and formations so that the d doesn't feel comfortable. the "base set" of plays that CU wants to run isn't going to change all that much, other than trying to run the stuff that you think gives you an advantage v. a particular opponent (altho they will add a few new plays for each game, i suspect), but the "look" that the defense sees with be changing from week to week.

cody split out and the direct snaps are things that make the defense think and hopefully hesitate. i suspect we will see some new and different looks v. asu and then a ton of wild **** against fsu.
 
It was a stupid play, but they got pretty good yardage on it every time except the last time.
 
Running these plays now threatens this later, (first play):

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTguLmX-0Is"]YouTube - Boise State Overtime[/ame]

And the package is designed for B-Jax.
 
People.....Calm down. You are waaaaaaay over thinking this play. Sure it could set something up in a game later this season and it could also be designed for BJax. But why would they use it and show it if Bjax wasn't even suited up.

Its much more simply. The D has to recognize the QB outside and use a man to defend him, therefore, the D is going 10 v. 10. If each man is blocked, then the RB has to make 1 man miss. (PS: this is all Hugh Charles is good for, making a man miss with speed)
 
People.....Calm down. You are waaaaaaay over thinking this play. Sure it could set something up in a game later this season and it could also be designed for BJax. But why would they use it and show it if Bjax wasn't even suited up.

Its much more simply. The D has to recognize the QB outside and use a man to defend him, therefore, the D is going 10 v. 10. If each man is blocked, then the RB has to make 1 man miss. (PS: this is all Hugh Charles is good for, making a man miss with speed)


matty--

watch the replays. CSU wasn't even covering Cody. It wasn't 10 on 10. It was 10 (CU) on 11 (CSU).

No team is going to devote a player to Cody Hawkins split out wide. Nobody.
 
Of course they did, Frank. Watch an LB slip out or a CB push over.

If they don't push over is when you will see a throw.

Guys, the coaching staff isn't stupid and didn't do the play for ****s and giggles.
 
Of course they did, Frank. Watch an LB slip out or a CB push over.

If they don't push over is when you will see a throw.

Guys, the coaching staff isn't stupid and didn't do the play for ****s and giggles.



You really think they are going to throw the ball to Cody Hawkins? Seriously?

I like the kid. He's got guts. He's got moxy. He might wind up being the offensive MVP for his leadership and his effectiveness at QB when it is all said and done. And that is all the more reason why he is not going to be split out wide and be a legitimate pass catching threat.
 
matty--

watch the replays. CSU wasn't even covering Cody. It wasn't 10 on 10. It was 10 (CU) on 11 (CSU).

No team is going to devote a player to Cody Hawkins split out wide. Nobody.


If the defense disregards the QB enough times then you might see them try to throw to the QB. I remember the Broncos doing essentially the same play a few times in Elway's early days.
 
If the defense disregards the QB enough times then you might see them try to throw to the QB. I remember the Broncos doing essentially the same play a few times in Elway's early days.


Elway was also a 6-5, 220lbs QB who was widely regarded as one of the best running QBs in the league.

There's no doubt in my mind that they ran that play to set things up for later in the year. Just like there's no doubt in my mind that they ran that end around play with the handoff to the wide receiver and the fake to the RB to set things up for later in the year.

I'm just not convinced that the same play had to be run 5 times in the game for it to be on display for future games.
 
Another wrinkle from that formation is when cody goes out wide they snap the ball cody steps back and gets a pass behind the line of scrimmage and then throws the ball.

Just gives future teams something to think about.
 
Another wrinkle from that formation is when cody goes out wide they snap the ball cody steps back and gets a pass behind the line of scrimmage and then throws the ball.

Just gives future teams something to think about.

I freaking HATE that play. It cuts the field in half and takes away half of your available receivers. Plus, it's really easy to defend. Gah. I hope they never try that. ever. :sad2:
 
I freaking HATE that play. It cuts the field in half and takes away half of your available receivers. Plus, it's really easy to defend. Gah. I hope they never try that. ever. :sad2:

would you be against the play if it were Bjack who caught the ball and had the option to run or throw?
 
would you be against the play if it were Bjack who caught the ball and had the option to run or throw?

You misunderstand me. I hate the play when the QB splits out and catches a lateral to be thrown downfield. At best you have a TE and a WR in the pattern with a reasonable shot at catching the ball. The RB was just used to lateral you the ball, and your other WR is on the other side of the field. You probably want the FB over there to provide protection from the inevitable LB who has the QB in his sights, too.

To answer your question, it was obvious to me that this was a play designed specifically for B-Jax. In spring ball, he ran it very effectively, too. I won't be disappointed if he's running the play.
 
There are two things going on here. First, yes the CSU defense did have to put someone on Cody. And, the potential reward isn't a quick throw out to him, but if you get the guy who does step out on him to commit to the backfield Cody goes deep. Yes, it's a gimmick and not a high probability play, but he'd be all alone down the sideline with no safety help.


Second, even if the play has absolutely no wrinkles involved, they averaged about 4-5 yards every time. That's a great average for a running play. Why not keep doing it if you are getting half the yards you need for a first? If the other team starts to shut it down, either throw in the wrinkle or move on (i.e. the end around which did jack squat after the first time), but if not, keep going with what works.
 
Why aren't the coaches on his ass?

Here's why.


It's possible the Colorado football team could lose one of its team captains — the starting quarterback last year — before this season even starts because of academic problems.

It would be an unfortunate ending to a career filled with plenty of twists and turns for Bernard Jackson. But if the bad news comes, fans won't hear coach Dan Hawkins railing about academic responsibility or making an example of Jackson.

Jackson is a father trying to care for a 2-year-old son who lost an eye to cancer. He played most of last season concerned about his father's health as well. Jackson's father lives back home in California and requires regular care from Jackson's siblings.

This is one situation in which Hawkins just has to shake his head at the difficulty of what his player is facing in his personal life.

"Bernard, he's got some extenuating circumstances that would be tough on me," Hawkins said. "We always talk about life not being fair in a sense, but he's got some obligations and some other things that are tough on any person. And then you're a person that's a student, and then you're a person that's a student playing football.

"That's not necessarily an excuse, but my heart goes out to the guy. He's got a lot of irons in the fire."


Jackson has missed the majority of training camp tending to those obligations as well as trying to pass several independent-studies classes. He did not practice again Thursday and Hawkins said it is doubtful Jackson will play against Colorado State.


Jackson said he believes he will pass his classes and play his senior season this fall. He took one final Wednesday and has a final test remaining. He could know sometimes next week whether he is academically eligible for his senior season.

He said if he is not able to play, he will move on with no regrets.

"It's part of life," Jackson said. "You learn from it and move on to more opportunities. It will just be another route to doing what I've been trying to do all this time."

Hawkins said he is waiting to find out what Jackson's final grades will be. That could be a week away.

"He took a final (Wednesday). I think he has another final in a couple days so we just have to wait for all that to sort out," Hawkins said.

Jackson was chosen to be one of three team captains by his teammates during winter conditioning. The others are linebackers Jordon Dizon and R.J. Brown. Hawkins said tackle Tyler Polumbus has been filling Jackson's shoes in practice, leading warmups and rallying the offense.

Polumbus hasn't been a named a captain, but he is the most likely candidate to serve as the offensive captain against CSU and for the remainder of the season if Jackson is not part of the team.

Polumbus said he felt strange even talking about the issue Thursday because he considers Jackson the offensive captain. But he also acknowledged he is trying to provide leadership to his younger teammates.

"It's a good feeling to know that I've gotten myself into a position where guys respect me enough to listen to what I have to say," Polumbus said.

Hawkins said he does not believe any of the three quarterbacks on the roster — including his son Cody, the starter — are ready to serve as captains at this point. Hawkins said in a perfect world, quarterbacks, centers, linebackers and safeties make the best captains because they have the most responsibility on the field.

Jackson earned the starting quarterback job last season going into the second game of the year against Colorado State. He held the position the remainder of the year as the Buffs struggled to move the ball and score points in a new offensive system.

Jackson was shifted from a full-time quarterback to a 'slash' role during spring practices. He is expected to play quarterback, wide receiver and running back as well as kick returner if he plays this season.
 
i kept waiting for some sort of a twist, as is about the 10th time Cody runs out who the **** cares. Then we go barrelling into the line with no element of suprise. Kind of looked silly
 
You could have sumler lateral it to Cody on a screen, where you have a player bust up on a fly pattern FTW!
 
I don't think those trick plays will work for long. They've already been seen and if they line up like that again, the d's will be ready.

I think the wad has been shot on that play.
 
Running these plays now threatens this later, (first play):

YouTube - Boise State Overtime

And the package is designed for B-Jax.

There's two problems with that play. First, the offense never set for a full second before the one guy went in motion, so that should have been an illegal shift penalty. Also, the guy in motion was moving towards the line of scrimmage when the ball was snapped. This ain't Canadian football, that should have been an illegal motion penalty.

I hope if Hawk plans to put a play like that in our playbook, that he coaches the players on the rules, 'cause these are surely going to get called on us.
 
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