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Realignment of Conference teams

unbiasedtruth

unbiasedtruth

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ok so its been typed by others here and on other sites that Mizzou is not deserving of the Big XII CCG even though they won the North division this year. Mainly due to their record, loss to Texas and Okie Lite, and that the South division is so strong. Lots of folks would like to see a rematch of OU/UT in the Big XII CCG from what I have read on other sites. (Me, I'd like to see this game Jan 8th in Miami).

I know the realignment of conference teams is just a fairy tale and would never really happen. If it was to happen, what would you like to see? North/South? East/West? What teams where?

My choice is East/West format.

East
ISU
Mizzou
Kansas
Nebraska
Okie Lite
Texas A&M

West
Texas Tech
Texas
Colorado
Oklahoma
Kansas State
Baylor
 
realigning because of current weakness is stupid. the cycle will turn in a year or two and all of a sudden the norte will be stronger.
 
SnowBuff said:
realigning because of current weakness is stupid. the cycle will turn in a year or two and all of a sudden the norte will be stronger.
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:yeahthat:

OU and UT are very strong right now, but it won't always be that way. At the same time, NU and CU are rebuilding. In 2007, CU was 3-0 against the south, and 1-4 against the North. So which division was really the strongest that year? This year, clearly the South was dominant. That's fine. It's the way things go.
 
sackman said:
:yeahthat:

OU and UT are very strong right now, but it won't always be that way. At the same time, NU and CU are rebuilding. In 2007, CU was 3-0 against the south, and 1-4 against the North. So which division was really the strongest that year? This year, clearly the South was dominant. That's fine. It's the way things go.
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true about last year, I think it was a 10-8 game advantage for the North. First time that had happened in several years. Dont know if that could be said about this year as the north was 3-15 against the South with the lone victories being Mizzou and KU over Baylor, and KSU over A&M.
 
You pretty much split up all the major rivalries within the conference, except Mizzou/Kansas & OU/UT.
 
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unbiasedtruth said:
true about last year, I think it was a 10-8 game advantage for the North. First time that had happened in several years. Dont know if that could be said about this year as the north was 3-15 against the South with the lone victories being Mizzou and KU over Baylor, and KSU over A&M.
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restructuring should not be done based on short term reasons or trends... thats all.
 
SnowBuff said:
realigning because of current weakness is stupid. the cycle will turn in a year or two and all of a sudden the norte will be stronger.
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sackman said:
:yeahthat:

OU and UT are very strong right now, but it won't always be that way. At the same time, NU and CU are rebuilding. In 2007, CU was 3-0 against the south, and 1-4 against the North. So which division was really the strongest that year? This year, clearly the South was dominant. That's fine. It's the way things go.
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Exactly. These things are cyclical and to have a knee-jerk reaction and suddenly realign the divisions would only solve this problem for maybe a year or 2, and even that's no guarantee. Back in the early days of the Big 12 it was the complete opposite when NU and KSU were dominant and competing for national titles, while the South division didn't have any great teams. These same discussions were taking place back then.

If they insist on keeping a CCG intact, then if anything they should just do away with the divisional alignments and let the top 2 teams in the overall standings square off.
 
unbiasedtruth said:
ok so its been typed by others here and on other sites that Mizzou is not deserving of the Big XII CCG even though they won the North division this year. Mainly due to their record, loss to Texas and Okie Lite, and that the South division is so strong. Lots of folks would like to see a rematch of OU/UT in the Big XII CCG from what I have read on other sites. (Me, I'd like to see this game Jan 8th in Miami).

I know the realignment of conference teams is just a fairy tale and would never really happen. If it was to happen, what would you like to see? North/South? East/West? What teams where?

My choice is East/West format.

East
ISU
Mizzou
Kansas
Nebraska
Okie Lite
Texas A&M

West
Texas Tech
Texas
Colorado
Oklahoma
Kansas State
Baylor
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the only way to "solve" the current issue is to separate UT and OU. your realignment won't help much.....and will only further bury CU.

FAIL
 
SnowBuff said:
restructuring should not be done based on short term reasons or trends... thats all.
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oh dont get me wrong, it is just a discussion. No way will I ever think it will happen, nor would I like to see it. You make valid points to be against...
 
unbiasedtruth said:
My choice is East/West format.

East
ISU
Mizzou
Kansas
Nebraska
Okie Lite
Texas A&M

West
Texas Tech
Texas
Colorado
Oklahoma
Kansas State
Baylor
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I doubt anything would ever happen, but **** that alignment.

If they do it, they will split Texas and Oklahoma up. This realignment will be stacked like the south is now.
 
Yes Texas and OU are the two dominant teams lately and some would like to see them in separate conferences, but that would take away their yearly rivalry. As far as the the north becoming as good as the south. It won't happen soon. Texas, OU and now TT are going to get all the top recruits out of Texas, LSU usually gets some too, and the North teams won't get too much out of California because of USC, Oregon..... recruiting has gottin much more difficult for north teams over the past 8-10 years.
 
SkiTownUSA said:
Yes Texas and OU are the two dominant teams lately and some would like to see them in separate conferences, but that would take away their yearly rivalry. As far as the the north becoming as good as the south. It won't happen soon. Texas, OU and now TT are going to get all the top recruits out of Texas, LSU usually gets some too, and the North teams won't get too much out of California because of USC, Oregon..... recruiting has gottin much more difficult for north teams over the past 8-10 years.
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TT? no way. they will never compete for the top level recruits. All it takes is one good year for CU to jump back up the recruiting tree. I am hoping Hawk gets it done next year :gobuffs:!

But the Big XII recruiting goes OU/UT - NU/A&M/CU/OSU - mizzou / KU and the rest.

CU and NU should be able to jump out of that pack next year. They will never be able to match UT (or OU with stoops... after stoops? probably!) but they should be able to get up there!
 
unbiasedtruth said:
ok so its been typed by others here and on other sites that Mizzou is not deserving of the Big XII CCG even though they won the North division this year. Mainly due to their record, loss to Texas and Okie Lite, and that the South division is so strong. Lots of folks would like to see a rematch of OU/UT in the Big XII CCG from what I have read on other sites. (Me, I'd like to see this game Jan 8th in Miami).

I know the realignment of conference teams is just a fairy tale and would never really happen. If it was to happen, what would you like to see? North/South? East/West? What teams where?

My choice is East/West format.

East
ISU
Mizzou
Kansas
Nebraska
Okie Lite
Texas A&M

West
Texas Tech
Texas
Colorado
Oklahoma
Kansas State
Baylor
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When you look at that list of teams and think of recruiting in general, I can see why maybe recruiting had been down a bit under Barnett and maybe in the future.

Proximity to home comes up more than almost any other factor when teams are considered equal to a recruit. If you consider the states surrounding Colorado, there is just isn't alot of kids to choose from, talent wise. The transient nature of Colorado citizens makes it even tougher since so many kids leave the state.

You can pull in some west coast kids but I'm not sure those areas will provide the numbers required to keep up.

It's kinda two edged to be in such a nice setting but also isolated as well.

All the other schools can pull the majority of their classes from instate or surrounding states fairly easily.

You guys kinda jump on some coaches for not being good recruiters but all things considered, their job isn't easy when momma has to let her boy leave.
 
unbiasedtruth said:
ok so its been typed by others here and on other sites that Mizzou is not deserving of the Big XII CCG even though they won the North division this year. Mainly due to their record, loss to Texas and Okie Lite, and that the South division is so strong. Lots of folks would like to see a rematch of OU/UT in the Big XII CCG from what I have read on other sites. (Me, I'd like to see this game Jan 8th in Miami).

I know the realignment of conference teams is just a fairy tale and would never really happen. If it was to happen, what would you like to see? North/South? East/West? What teams where?

My choice is East/West format.

East
ISU
Mizzou
Kansas
Nebraska
Okie Lite
Texas A&M

West
Texas Tech
Texas
Colorado
Oklahoma
Kansas State
Baylor
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Your aware Okie lite isnt much better than Mizzery right? if you want equal your going to have to separate Texas and OU.
 
unbiasedtruth said:
ok so its been typed by others here and on other sites that Mizzou is not deserving of the Big XII CCG even though they won the North division this year. Mainly due to their record, loss to Texas and Okie Lite, and that the South division is so strong. Lots of folks would like to see a rematch of OU/UT in the Big XII CCG from what I have read on other sites. (Me, I'd like to see this game Jan 8th in Miami).

I know the realignment of conference teams is just a fairy tale and would never really happen. If it was to happen, what would you like to see? North/South? East/West? What teams where?

My choice is East/West format.

East
ISU
Mizzou
Kansas
Nebraska
Okie Lite
Texas A&M

West
Texas Tech
Texas
Colorado
Oklahoma
Kansas State
Baylor
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This realignment would accomplish nothing because the two best teams are still in the same division. Looking at the past several years, the two best teams have consistently been UT and OU, and if you put them in separate divisions you would be eliminating one of the best annual rivalries in the country. As long as UT and OU are in the same division you are always going to have a lopside power in the divisions.
 
Drop ISU and Baylor and lets do a 10 team conference where everyone plays everyone and the top two fight it out at the end in a championship game. The winner then goes on to play 15 other teams in a December/January playoff that ends in a College Super Bowl!
 
id rather see cu in the pac10 than in one division with texas AND oklahoma ... your suggestion also breaks up pretty much anything that could be called a "rivalry" in the big 12 apart from the rrso and mu/ku ... cu/nu, ut/atm, ou/osu, ku/ksu would all have to bite the dust
 
If OU and UT went to different divisions I think the Big 12 would make a HUGE mistake. Yes, we would probably see them have a rematch in the Big 12 CCG--no way the RRS goes away--, but it would cheapen the RRS. I bet UT and OU fans would like it, but for casual fans that like big games, well, I don't like seeing rematches. Yeah, we get rematches a lot of times in the CCG, but they are never between major rivals (OU/NU has not been what it was since the Big 8, sorry).
 
NMBuff said:
If OU and UT went to different divisions I think the Big 12 would make a HUGE mistake. Yes, we would probably see them have a rematch in the Big 12 CCG--no way the RRS goes away--, but it would cheapen the RRS. I bet UT and OU fans would like it, but for casual fans that like big games, well, I don't like seeing rematches. Yeah, we get rematches a lot of times in the CCG, but they are never between major rivals (OU/NU has not been what it was since the Big 8, sorry).
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it´d also take away from the importance of the game. right now the winner of the rrso has the inside track on the division and owns the head-to-head tiebreaker over the other team .. if they split up ou and ut it´d be "just another conference game"
 
Jens1893 said:
it´d also take away from the importance of the game. right now the winner of the rrso has the inside track on the division and owns the head-to-head tiebreaker over the other team .. if they split up ou and ut it´d be "just another conference game"
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Except this year...
 
absinthe said:
Except this year...
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ill chalk this year up as an aberration ... and i didnt check how many times the winner of the rrso went on to win the division, either, but wouldnt you agree that technically and on paper the winner of the rrso has the inside track on the south and having the head-to-head tiebreaker is fairly handy to have?
 
Jens1893 said:
ill chalk this year up as an aberration ... and i didnt check how many times the winner of the rrso went on to win the division, either, but wouldnt you agree that technically and on paper the winner of the rrso has the inside track on the south and having the head-to-head tiebreaker is fairly handy to have?
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Texas in 2001 went but lost to OU 14-3, 2006 & 2008 for OU to CCG while losing the RRSO....
 
If there were to be a realignment Texas and Oklahoma would be in different divisions, but they'd also play in the RRS every year as well with another chance to meet in the B12CG, similar to how Florida State and Miami have it in the ACC.

I could see something like:

Division A:
Texas
Texas A&M
Colorado
Kansas State
Missouri
Baylor

Division B:
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Nebraska
Texas Tech
Kansas
Iowa State

In this set up you'd have your figureheads split: UT and OU
You'd have a good portion of rivalries preserved: RRS, UNL/OU, UT/A&M, Bedlam
And there would be good balance in each division.
 
Timbuff10 said:
Drop ISU and Baylor and lets do a 10 team conference where everyone plays everyone and the top two fight it out at the end in a championship game.
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:yeahthat:

Except if everyone plays everyone else, then there's no need for a conference championship game.
 
The only point of restructuring, as has been already stated multiple times, would be to separate OU and UT.

As far as the comment regarding "the north will be stronger in a few years", I'm sorry - I really don't see that. As long as Texas and OU are in the South that division will always be stronger, as they are the only two teams in this conference that are powerhouses year in and year out. Down years for these teams mean 8 or 9 wins and they are occasional at best, and generally random. There isn't a team in the north you can say that about, and unless our Buffs turn into a powerhouse under Hawkins - which really remains to be seen - it's going to remain that way.

The rare years in which the North is stronger than the South in the Big 12 will be few and far between IMO, and they will basically amount to everything aligning perfectly among a few north teams in the same year, while OU and UT have down years.

EDIT:

Under Mack Brown, UT has a 111-25 record (72-16). Here are his records (starting with 1998)

9-3 (6-2)
9-5 (6-2)
9-3 (7-1)
11-2 (7-1) #5 finish
11-2 (6-2) #6 finish
10-3 (7-1)
11-1 (7-1) Rose Bowl Win over Michigan #5 finish
13-0 (8-0) National Champions and one of the best CFB teams ever
10-3 (6-2)
10-3 (5-3) #10 finish
11-1 (7-1) one of the top 3-4 teams in the nation. Outside shot at going to the NC game

That's 8 10+ win seasons following three 9 win seasons. If OU loses to Missouri they will probably go to the NC game this year.

Oklahoma under Stoops:

108-23 (67-13)

7-5 (5-3)
13-0 (8-0) National Champions
11-2 (6-2) #6 finish
12-2 (6-2) Rose Bowl Win #5 finish
12-2 (8-0) #3 finish
12-1 (8-0) #3 finish
8-4 (6-2)
11-3 (7-1)
11-3 (6-2) #8 finish
11-1 (7-1) likely trip to the NC game

These teams will continue to dominate the Big12 the majority of years IMO.
 
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How about we make it the old Big 8 v. the SWC? That way all the rivalries remain intack. We'll have to add some teams to even it up

Big 8 Division
NU, CU, OU, KU, ISU, KSU, OSU, MU

Lone Star Division
UT, aTm, TT, Baylor, SMU, Rice, TCU, Houston (UTEP could sub for SMU or Rice)

You could play a rotating 3 team schedule from the opposite division, which would leave 2 non-conference games, and OU and UT could schedule each other as OOC on the years they don't play in conference.

EDIT: I renamed the SWC the Lone Star division because that would feed the egos of all those folks.:thumbsup:
 
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sackman said:
:yeahthat:

OU and UT are very strong right now, but it won't always be that way. At the same time, NU and CU are rebuilding. In 2007, CU was 3-0 against the south, and 1-4 against the North. So which division was really the strongest that year? This year, clearly the South was dominant. That's fine. It's the way things go.
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Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think in the long run that the north division over an extended length of time will ever be as strong as the south. Too much money at Texas, OU, and now OSU with Pickens. Money talks:cry:
 
I don't think they should restructure, however, I wouldn't be opposed to saying that the top 2 teams overall in the big 12 get to go to the championship game... I mean, be realistic as an outside fan... Who wouldn't LOVE to see an OU v. Texas rematch tomorrow?
 
77buff said:
Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think in the long run that the north division over an extended length of time will ever be as strong as the south. Too much money at Texas, OU, and now OSU with Pickens. Money talks:cry:
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Money sure does talk. I hear bank jobs are where it's at too. Just look at Darrel Scott's mom. Ooops. :lol:

But you do make a good point about their budgets. Then again, aTm has a monster budget and has made any splashes lately.
 
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