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What if Bohn promised 5 years at the outset?

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I don't have any inside information about this, but it seems reasonable that Hawk wanted a 5 year commitment before he came to Boulder.

What if Hawk said to Bohn, 4 years ago, "look, CU's football program is scraping bottom. You've had ridiculous recruiting restrictions in place, you don't have enough lineman for a scout team, etc. So, I'll come but only if you promise me certain things, like an indoor practice facility, and a minimum of 5 years--I have to build the program from the ground up and I want to be in a position where I can do that, where I can redshirt guys, etc."

And what if Bohn said, "OK, deal."

What does Bohn do now?
 
I don't have any inside information about this, but it seems reasonable that Hawk wanted a 5 year commitment before he came to Boulder.

What if Hawk said to Bohn, 4 years ago, "look, CU's football program is scraping bottom. You've had ridiculous recruiting restrictions in place, you don't have enough lineman for a scout team, etc. So, I'll come but only if you promise me certain things, like an indoor practice facility, and a minimum of 5 years--I have to build the program from the ground up and I want to be in a position where I can do that, where I can redshirt guys, etc."

And what if Bohn said, "OK, deal."

What does Bohn do now?

Pay him for the 5th, 6th and 7th years of his tenure. Which is all Hawk's hypothetical request for a 5 year promise really would have been about anyway...

Boulder Buff said:
You can never break promises in sports. Never.

signed, Tyler Hansen's redshirt.
 
What if Hawk promised to compete for national championships and have great offenses?
 
I don't have any inside information about this, but it seems reasonable that Hawk wanted a 5 year commitment before he came to Boulder.

What if Hawk said to Bohn, 4 years ago, "look, CU's football program is scraping bottom. You've had ridiculous recruiting restrictions in place, you don't have enough lineman for a scout team, etc. So, I'll come but only if you promise me certain things, like an indoor practice facility, and a minimum of 5 years--I have to build the program from the ground up and I want to be in a position where I can do that, where I can redshirt guys, etc."

And what if Bohn said, "OK, deal."

What does Bohn do now?

16-31. No one in the biz will look down on Bohn or CU for doing what needs to be done.
 
I don't have any inside information about this, but it seems reasonable that Hawk wanted a 5 year commitment before he came to Boulder.

What if Hawk said to Bohn, 4 years ago, "look, CU's football program is scraping bottom. You've had ridiculous recruiting restrictions in place, you don't have enough lineman for a scout team, etc. So, I'll come but only if you promise me certain things, like an indoor practice facility, and a minimum of 5 years--I have to build the program from the ground up and I want to be in a position where I can do that, where I can redshirt guys, etc."

And what if Bohn said, "OK, deal."

What does Bohn do now?

I am really sick of hearing this bull**** assertion mentioned over and over and over as an excuse for Hawkins' failures. How is going 7-6 "scraping bottom"? It is a hell of a lot better than what Hawkins did here. Barnett left Hawkins with some NFL talent. Do you see anyone on this team right now that will get drafted in the 2nd round, like Wheatley and Dizon? I don't.

How is winning the north 4 times in 5 years "scraping bottom"? How is it somehow worse than the pile of **** that Hawkins has produced in each of his 4 years here?

If "scraping bottom" is winning the north 4 times in 5 years - and make no mistake, the north is historically TERRIBLE this year and we are still in last place - then I would love to see Hawkins "scraping bottom".

This tired bit of retarded rhetoric really needs to be laid to rest. Do you know what "scraping bottom" is? It is losing to Montana State in year 1. It is losing to Toledo and CSU in year 4. It is going 2-2 against the ISUs of the world. It is being the joke of the conference every year. It is the coaches categorically unathletic son who failed at QB lining up at WR while we have a **** burner sitting on the bench and watching. What we are doing right now is orders of magnitude worse than what we were doing under Barnett.
 
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I am really sick of hearing this bull**** assertion mentioned over and over and over as an excuse for Hawkins' failures. How is going 7-6 "scraping bottom"? It is a hell of a lot better than what Hawkins did here. Barnett left Hawkins with some NFL talent. Do you see anyone on this team right now that will get drafted in the 2nd round, like Wheatley and Dizon? I don't.

How is winning the north 4 times in 5 years "scraping bottom"? How is it somehow worse than the pile of **** that Hawkins has produced in each of his 4 years here?

If "scraping bottom" is winning the north 4 times in 5 years - and make no mistake, the north is historically TERRIBLE this year and we are still in last place - then I would love to see Hawkins "scraping bottom".

This tired bit of retarded rhetoric really needs to be laid to rest. Do you know what "scraping bottom" is? It is losing to Montana State in year 1. It is losing to Toledo and CSU in year 4. It is going 2-2 against the ISUs of the world. It is being the joke of the conference every year. It is the coaches categorically unathletic son who failed at QB lining up at WR while we have a **** burner sitting on the bench and watching. What we are doing right now is orders of magnitude worse than what we were doing under Barnett.

:yeahthat:

Hawk keeps saying he gets special latitude with the administration because of the mess he had to clean up. Granted the "scandal" was a dark could over Barnett and we had fallen behind OU and Texas, but coming off our second straight North division title is hardly a mess. He is so full of crap!
 
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I'm with 04 on this one. There may have been a serious lack of depth on the OL, but Hawk inherited a team a lot better than 2-10 and a HELL of a lot better than Montana State.
 
I don't have any inside information about this, but it seems reasonable that Hawk wanted a 5 year commitment before he came to Boulder.

What if Hawk said to Bohn, 4 years ago, "look, CU's football program is scraping bottom. You've had ridiculous recruiting restrictions in place, you don't have enough lineman for a scout team, etc. So, I'll come but only if you promise me certain things, like an indoor practice facility, and a minimum of 5 years--I have to build the program from the ground up and I want to be in a position where I can do that, where I can redshirt guys, etc."

And what if Bohn said, "OK, deal."

What does Bohn do now?
They were the Big 12 North Champions when Hawkins took over. Won 7 games in Barnett's last year. The program started scraping bottom the day Hawkin's was hired. Get back to your job as an assistant in the CU athletic dept.
 
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They were the Big 12 North Champions when Hawkins took over. Won 7 games in Barnett's last year. The program started scraping bottom the day Hawkin's was hired. Get back to your job as an assistant in the CU athletic dept.

Really? So, no problems with losing 70-3 to Texas and 30-3 to Nebraska? No problems with not allowing visiting recruits to stay overnight? No problem with having to decide whether to practice in a snowstorm or the fieldhouse? No problem with the media's perception of the program?

You can't just pretend that those problems didn't exist and that, because of them, Hawkins had some bargaining power.

For the record, as I said in the first post in this thread, I don't have any information about whether anything of the sort happened. I was just interested in people's thoughts about whether that sort of promise had to be kept or not. I think posters made good points on both sides. I think you should unbunch your panties.
 
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