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Hawkins comment on three, four, and five star players at Big 12 Media days

Hmm. It could be true. Only reason being there are only a very small number of players who get the five stars. Lets say theirs 40 five stars per year. but 400 three stars in that same recruiting cycle. And there's roughly 244 players drafted each year. So out the majority of the slots could be filled with 3* and 4*. I still think though that the 5* are ranked that for a reason.
 
Of course there are, there are more 3* players in college football. Just through sheer numbers, since the recruiting services generally use a bell curve, the vast majority of college players are 3*. More players in the NFL will have started off as 3* than 4* and 5*. A higher PERCENTAGE of 4* and 5* do make it to the NFL than 3*, but even if 20% of 3* move on, that's a greater NUMBER of players than the total 4* and 5* players that will move on.
 
Absolutely true. Also absolutely true that the odds of the 4* or 5* being an NFL-caliber player (barring injury) are much higher than the odds with a 3*.

The comment from Hawk is the type of thing coaches say when they're not pulling in very many 4* and 5* guys. I feel pretty confident that Hawk would trade our last 2 recruiting classes for Florida's.
 
Everything is awesome, and everybody is fired up, this guy is comical. It is PMA all the way. If he were on the Titanic he would be talking about how awesome the night's dinner was and how well they polished the handrails as they went down. You know, it is the little things.

Bottom line, if you only tell kids how great they are, when by any objective standard there are many areas where improvement is required, you are really telling them the failures are acceptable, and you give them little incentive to do better because whatever they do, no matter how mediocre, they will be told how great they are.:rolling_eyes:

I remain amazed at the guy's lucky streak, it is sad it ran out just before he got to Boulder.
 
The whole quote was really interesting I thought. It seems the media were giving DH some props. Here is the excerpt of the entire question and answer. I'm not defending his answer just thought the whole quote was interesting.

Q. The three guys you brought were
not five-star guys. You know, how do you -- what's your philosophy on finding these diamonds in the rough? I think you've had better luck with those than some of the five-star guys you've recruited.


COACH HAWKINS: Well, it's interesting. You guys have heard me talk about this before. I think -- and I'm not totally down on the star system, but it doesn't mean that that's the end all. I don't think you just open up whatever service and go, okay, let's just go and get those guys.

I think there's a package in total that you have to look at, particularly for us in Colorado, in terms of the kind of student as well as the kind of player. I think this is true, and Pat might be able to validate this, but someone told me there are more three-star guys in the NFL than there are four- and five-star combined. Can anybody validate that?

Anyhow, there's a lot of things that people bring to the table, and I think, when you're looking at evaluating a player, it doesn't matter what level, there's more things than just the tangible parts of it. Do those matter? Sure, they do.

But then I think you have to look at the other contingency factors as well. There's plenty of guys -- you know, the Indianapolis Colts this year have three former walk-ons on their football team.

So I just don't think you can use that as the end all. That doesn't mean that a guy who's a five-star player is bad. It doesn't mean that at all. I just think you have to look at the total package.
 
The whole quote was really interesting I thought. It seems the media were giving DH some props. Here is the excerpt of the entire question and answer. I'm not defending his answer just thought the whole quote was interesting.

I see no real problem with this answer in context. Its not like he said he wasn't going to help out a white farmer or something.
 
the real terminology trick here is that 3 stars may be "diamonds in the rough" for UT or OU or even ATM some years....but they are among the better commits and upper third of our class the last two years. i'd guess. close to it.
 
That's the thing, every squad LIKES to have a couple of those diamonds in the rough rise up and excel. The problem is that Hawk MUST have diamonds in the rough rise up to succeed. It can't work year in and year out.
 
Recruiting has been a result of our record. We have more guys and depth now than anytime since 2005 and maybe 2001. Time to put up or shut up. Put up, and recruiting will take care of itself.
 
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