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UT doesn´t want Pac w/o annual game in LA

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http://www.statesman.com/sports/lon...nt-options-1851020.html?viewAsSinglePage=true

Actually, the source said, the Pac-12 has been in discussions about using a pod system as a way to divide the conference too. Besides, Texas isn't in love with the thought of playing in a division that includes none of the Los Angeles-based teams.


But that's not what's on the table right now.


"Texas really isn't happy with the way the Pac-12 would like to align the conference," a well-placed source said. "They want to put all the former Pac-8 schools in one division and group all the former Big 12 schools (assuming Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas and Texas Tech join) with Utah and the Arizona schools."


Texas wants to be in the same division as UCLA and Southern Cal, which would be tougher, but it would also guarantee the Longhorns a trip to Los Angeles every year. Think recruiting.
 
shocking that UT wants an unbalanced alignment in their favor. This is what UT does. sigh.
 
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Rest is worth reading also, btw. Sounds like Oklahoma is hell bent on leaving.
 
So - I don't totally understand that. How can Tex want all the B12 teams, plus UU, ASU, and UA in the East division, yet they get to be in UCLA and USC's division?

We're already seeing UT trying to push around other members. If the P12 caves to any of their demands, giving them an unfair advantage, then it is the beginning of the end for the conference.
 
So - I don't totally understand that. How can Tex want all the B12 teams, plus UU, ASU, and UA in the East division, yet they get to be in UCLA and USC's division?

We're already seeing UT trying to push around other members. If the P12 caves to any of their demands, giving them an unfair advantage, then it is the beginning of the end for the conference.
Yup. And they are like velociraptors testing the Pac-12's defenses. No equal revenue? Then we want our own network for 3d tier rights. Not that? Then we want special scheduling allowances. And so on and so on until they find a crack. Once they get special rights, then USC will want something special, and then etc and so forth. Ugh.
 
If Texas wants to play in Southern California every year, they should schedule Cal Poly in out of conference for an away, away, away, away, away, away series for the next 5 years.
 
Texas is looking out for Texas' interests. Nothing wrong with that.

When Colorado joined the league, we wanted an annual game in S. California, too.
 
everybody wants a game in So Cal every year -
I suppose this is a good sign that POD scheduling would be preferred
 
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If Texas wants to play in Southern California every year, they should schedule Cal Poly in out of conference for an away, away, away, away, away, away series for the next 5 years.

San Louis Obispo isn't really in Southern California.

CU worked a similar deal, I'm not sure why it's different when Texas does, except that Texas is a pain-in-the-ass and already sits on a very fertile recruiting ground.
 
Texas wants:

Pac-16 South: UT, TTU, OU, OSU, UA, ASU, USC, UCLA

Pac-16 North: CU, UU, Cal, Stanford, UO, OSU, UW, WSU
 
If we gotta go to 16, I could live with that arrangement.

2 8 team divisions would suck for whoever is in the North. If everybody has 7 division games, that's going to leave 2 games a year against the opposite division. That means you'd play at each road site in the other division once every 8 years, which means a game in SoCal once every 4 years. When CU and UU were coming in, the north schools made it very clear that getting to play in SoCal was a big priority for them. The old north schools are going to fight like hell against that kind of alignment, and it would suck like hell for us to get booted to the north just to make way for the new refugees. But splitting off the old Pac-8 into one division and the rest into another would be even worse for us, since we would be locked out of California entirely every other year.

Pods are the best system for us, and they're the best system for the schools in the north. If UT wants to insist on a realignment that favors them over almost all the existing Pac-12 teams they can go **** themselves.
 
Same as being in the Big 12 North. It's a conference killer.

This.

All the power then resides in the South. Sound familiar? Before we know it, they'll be having the Pac 16 offices moved to Dallas and the CCG games played there.

We need to do everything humanly possible to keep UT the hell out of the Pac.
 
Yes, let's put all the big money schools in one division and put all the power there. That always works out well.
 
In the end, I still believe that UT ends up in the ACC.

Agreed. The ACC craves football legitimacy. I think the LHN will be less of a sticking point in the ACC. It gains UT access to elite recruting grounds too. I think they're a bettwe cultural fit as well. There is also less of a problme integrating them into a division because the ACC is not aligned in a N/S or E/W format.
 
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Texas wants:

Pac-16 South: UT, TTU, OU, OSU, UA, ASU, USC, UCLA

Pac-16 North: CU, UU, Cal, Stanford, UO, OSU, UW, WSU



If we gotta go to 16, I could live with that arrangement.

First I don't see OU accepting OSU in a different division without the guarantee of a yearly game. Second, I don't see the NW schools - especially Oregon - agreeing to not making it to LA at least every other year. Third, the California schools already threw a fit about their traditional rivalries being broken by the North-South Division and now there is a scheduling concession that includes cross-divisional California rivalry games every year.

Not that I couldn't live with being outside of the Texas division, but I just don't see everyone else being good with it without some significant concessions.
 
First I don't see OU accepting OSU in a different division without the guarantee of a yearly game. Second, I don't see the NW schools - especially Oregon - agreeing to not making it to LA at least every other year. Third, the California schools already threw a fit about their traditional rivalries being broken by the North-South Division and now there is a scheduling concession that includes cross-divisional California rivalry games every year.

Not that I couldn't live with being outside of the Texas division, but I just don't see everyone else being good with it without some significant concessions.

I don't see the northwest school accepting this either. CU and UU won't either.

*You mis-read. There are two OSUs. Okie Lite in the South and Whoregun Lite in the North is what I meant.
 
First I don't see OU accepting OSU in a different division without the guarantee of a yearly game.

OSU = Oregon State. Notice there were actually two "OSUs", one in each division.


In the end, who cares? Stay at 12. It's the perfect number. I am confounded as to why we are even considering expansion at this point.
 
Stay out.

The Big 12 North died because there aren't enough players to recruit out of the North to sustain 6 teams. Nebraska is able to recruit nationally due to tradition. Our recruiting suffered in Texas, where it was never really stellar, to being off the map, especially after the recruiting restrictions were put in place. Mizzou and KU made inroads in to recruiting Texas, but that pipeline was never big enough to match OU and UT, in both prestige and # of games played in Texas. If they divide the conference SoCal/Texas the Pac16 North would be even worse than the Big 12 North in about 5 years.
 
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