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    it finally hit me... about mid-way thru the first quarter...

    we really are following the boise state model in every possible way. we just don't do it as well.

    but, we recruit like a wac team to match the fancy-schmancy player groupings, e-w running, and "i am cuter than you" coaching.

    sorry, but this staff needs to go. that wvu team was faster and more athletic across the board. and, still, because they are possibly as poorly coached as CU, the Buffs had chances to win.

    rather than bash on individual players (because that's totally uncool), let me just ask this question... please identify the "FOR SURE this guy would be in the 2 deep at any of the top half of the big 12 schools" players on the roster...

    on offense, i've got:

    geer
    miller
    givens
    solder

    on defense, i've got:

    smith
    chapelle

    on special teams, i've got:

    well, no one.

    again, post them here... i am not going on potential... i am going on what we've actually seen on the field during the hawk era...

    who have i missed as a FOR SURE 2 deep guy on any other b12 roster for the top half of the conference?

    bad coaching + not enough elite athletes = disaster.

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    Re: it finally hit me... about mid-way thru the first quarter...

    Quote Originally Posted by Liver View Post
    we really are following the boise state model in every possible way. we just don't do it as well.

    but, we recruit like a wac team to match the fancy-schmancy player groupings, e-w running, and "i am cuter than you" coaching.

    sorry, but this staff needs to go. that wvu team was faster and more athletic across the board. and, still, because they are possibly as poorly coached as CU, the Buffs had chances to win.

    rather than bash on individual players (because that's totally uncool), let me just ask this question... please identify the "FOR SURE this guy would be in the 2 deep at any of the top half of the big 12 schools" players on the roster...

    on offense, i've got:

    geer
    miller
    givens
    solder

    on defense, i've got:

    smith
    chapelle

    on special teams, i've got:

    well, no one.

    again, post them here... i am not going on potential... i am going on what we've actually seen on the field during the hawk era...

    who have i missed as a FOR SURE 2 deep guy on any other b12 roster for the top half of the conference?

    bad coaching + not enough elite athletes = disaster.
    I think Givens would eventually belong in that group. I'm not sure he does at this point. Offensively I would add Stewart and probably Scott as well.

    Defensively I think Beatty has to be on that list.

    but your point absolutely stands....




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    Re: it finally hit me... about mid-way thru the first quarter...

    Quote Originally Posted by Junction View Post
    I think Givens would eventually belong in that group. I'm not sure he does at this point. Offensively I would add Stewart and probably Scott as well.

    Defensively I think Beatty has to be on that list.

    but your point absolutely stands....
    Scott? He has not shown me anything yet.

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    Re: it finally hit me... about mid-way thru the first quarter...

    Quote Originally Posted by DallasBuff View Post
    Scott? He has not shown me anything yet.
    I think he has the talent to at least make the two deep with a talented offense around him. It's so hard to tell in our dipsy doodle system that really doesn't fit his skills, but seeing a game like Toledo when he really got a chance I think he would...

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    Re: it finally hit me... about mid-way thru the first quarter...

    From what I can see of Scott, he needs the O-line to dominate upfront. I don't see him making a lot of people miss. He did well against Toledo because the O-line was more physical I thought up front. But even on his long carry that go called back you could see that he wasn't running away from anyone like you saw with Stuart today.

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    Re: it finally hit me... about mid-way thru the first quarter...

    Quote Originally Posted by DallasBuff View Post
    Scott? He has not shown me anything yet.
    He ran pretty well vs. Toledo imo.




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    Re: it finally hit me... about mid-way thru the first quarter...

    speedy made those yards by making people miss and then getting to the hole. DS would have lost yards on many of those plays.

    Miller hasn't dont jack either.

    McKnight would start at a lot of places. It's amazing he gets open when he's the only one we throw to.....

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    Re: it finally hit me... about mid-way thru the first quarter...

    There are others with a lot of obvious talent, like Jon Major and Speedy that would be in a lot of 2 deep given a year to grow. Most of those teams prob have Jrs and Srs in most of those positions. Neiman Marcus Burton showed his athleticism, chasing down Brown at his size.

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    Re: it finally hit me... about mid-way thru the first quarter...

    C'mon guys. We'll see how this thing turns out. A couple plays go our way, Aric gets a couple of those FGs to go in and we are right in this thing. :rolleyes:

    Cody's got moxie, I'll give him that. the kid does not quit. Other than that, he needs to go. If McNight wasn't on out team, Cody would be completing 30% of his passes. The over throws, the ints. We have not had a capable QB since Klatt.

    Burton and Beatty played well. Saw West get a tackle late. OLine played decent and of course Stewart looked great but where was he in the 2nd half?

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    Re: it finally hit me... about mid-way thru the first quarter...

    Quote Originally Posted by zbuff View Post
    There are others with a lot of obvious talent, like Jon Major and Speedy that would be in a lot of 2 deep given a year to grow. Most of those teams prob have Jrs and Srs in most of those positions. Neiman Marcus Burton showed his athleticism, chasing down Brown at his size.
    maybe.

    simas maybe too.

    i am just going on what we've seen in actual games during the hawk era.

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