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    Quote Originally Posted by Denver_sc View Post
    This is crappy article by Ringo. There's no data to drive his assertion that CU can't afford it. Let's assume that conservative estimates around Pac 12 money are accurate, and that CU is going to get $25M/year from the Pac 12 contract, including P12 network fees. CU ran in the black for the last year in the B12, right? The payout from those guys that year was like $10M/year, right? So, where does that $15M/year go under Ringo's assumptions here if not to sports like baseball (or baseball/softball)? A baseball and softball team certainly wouldn't cost more than that, right?
    Right now, we can't afford it.

    With other things building so that MBB starts bringing in several million in profit and football revenue grows as we get back to being a top program... plus I think a lot of other other sports succeeding will get them closer to break-even while spurring donations from their few but passionate fans... then I can see our AD budget growing to the point where baseball/softball is affordable.

    But I don't want to do it just to do it. I'd want to see us go first class and put us in position to compete for championships if we're going to add any sports. For baseball/softball, that means indoor training facilities, a stadium complex and large recruiting & travel budgets. Maybe we could be the first program to make a commitment to recruiting Japan? To make it happen at CU, we need resources and we need to think outside the box a bit.

    In the end, the best way to make everything happen is to do everything we can to get our football and MBB houses in order since those drive revenues, donations, community interest and our ability to fund other sports.


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    I keep wondering why Northern Colorado still has a baseball team at this point even though their main conference doesn't sponsor the sport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Snow View Post
    I see you are going for specific personal details again. When in doubt and on shallow ground while feeling vulnerable on an issue, attack the other party. You would make a good candidate for office.
    You mean like 10 consecutive posts accusing the other person of using a strawman, when it never happened?




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    One way that baseball could work would be if we could find a way to partner with the Rockies. If they had an interest in putting a minor league affiliate in Boulder, we could share facilities.

    Lots of college football teams share facilities with pro teams. Why not baseball?

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    One way that baseball could work would be if we could find a way to partner with the Rockies. If they had an interest in putting a minor league affiliate in Boulder, we could share facilities.

    Lots of college football teams share facilities with pro teams. Why not baseball?
    That's an excellent thought. Oregon does it, and their facility is beautiful.

    I doubt the city would let it fly, but I'd love to try. Two baseball teams? I may not like math, but even I can understand that two is better than one. We could call them the "Boulder Bison," or something equally as quaint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NashBuff View Post
    I keep wondering why Northern Colorado still has a baseball team at this point even though their main conference doesn't sponsor the sport.
    Because they care about America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffnik View Post
    So you're saying that you don't think CU has the resources to be competitive with DU?

    In hockey and lacrosse? Not in the near term, certainly. We have the resources to compete over time, though. But we also have the resources to compete over time in baseball.

    Putting together a baseball program wouldn't be the most difficult thing to do. If I were Bohn, I'd go back to John Stearns and see if he's still willing to head up a fundraising effort to raise the capital needed for the facilities and to fund an endowment to pay for coaches salaries and scholarships. If he is, great. If not, then table it. I'm firm in the belief that we're going to want a baseball program at some point. The sooner we do it, the faster we'll get to a point of being competitive.
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    We should just play the games in folsom. Put home plate in the South end of the stadium under the COLORADO, and have a 500 ft center field wall (Dal Ward), and 150 foot walls in left and right. That would be exciting.
    If you think I haven't dreamed of that exact set-up, you're kidding yourself. Bat-**** insane, but I'd pay to see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffnik View Post
    One way that baseball could work would be if we could find a way to partner with the Rockies. If they had an interest in putting a minor league affiliate in Boulder, we could share facilities.

    Lots of college football teams share facilities with pro teams. Why not baseball?
    Not likely to happen. The only pro leagues anywhere remotely in the area are AAA or Rookie ball. They would either have to pull out of the Springs or GJ, both of which have existing facilities. And they just installed a humidor in the Springs. Plus, the travel in the Pioneer League is horrendous already - it was from Casper and will be from GJ. From Boulder it is much worse.

    There are just no A or AA teams anywhere in the area to make them look at moving Modesto, Ashville or Tulsa to Boulder.

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    This is a complete pipe dream, but wouldn't it be cool to have a front range independent league? Kind of like the Cape Cod league and the Northern league? Those games are awesome. How cool would it be to have an independent league with teams in Pueblo, Castle Rock, Golden, Boulder, Aurora, Loveland, Greeley & Ft. Collins?

    If you've ever been to a Cape Cod League or Northern League game, you know how much fun they are. Pure baseball. That's good stuff. I'd love to see it here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffnik View Post
    One way that baseball could work would be if we could find a way to partner with the Rockies. If they had an interest in putting a minor league affiliate in Boulder, we could share facilities.

    Lots of college football teams share facilities with pro teams. Why not baseball?
    would it cost the Monforts any money? then it probably won't happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junction View Post
    Not likely to happen. The only pro leagues anywhere remotely in the area are AAA or Rookie ball. They would either have to pull out of the Springs or GJ, both of which have existing facilities. And they just installed a humidor in the Springs. Plus, the travel in the Pioneer League is horrendous already - it was from Casper and will be from GJ. From Boulder it is much worse.

    There are just no A or AA teams anywhere in the area to make them look at moving Modesto, Ashville or Tulsa to Boulder.
    AA ball is the kind we would want to get, that is where they typically send the hot prospects. Would be good for the Rockies to have both AA and AAA ball farm teams near by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sackman View Post
    This is a complete pipe dream, but wouldn't it be cool to have a front range independent league? Kind of like the Cape Cod league and the Northern league? Those games are awesome. How cool would it be to have an independent league with teams in Pueblo, Castle Rock, Golden, Boulder, Aurora, Loveland, Greeley & Ft. Collins?

    If you've ever been to a Cape Cod League or Northern League game, you know how much fun they are. Pure baseball. That's good stuff. I'd love to see it here.
    Love that idea. If they do that in Boulder, we could get CU baseball. I think the only way CU gets baseball in the future is if a minor league team sets up shop in Boulder.

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    A minor league team is not coming to boulder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sackman View Post
    In hockey and lacrosse? Not in the near term, certainly. We have the resources to compete over time, though. But we also have the resources to compete over time in baseball.

    Putting together a baseball program wouldn't be the most difficult thing to do. If I were Bohn, I'd go back to John Stearns and see if he's still willing to head up a fundraising effort to raise the capital needed for the facilities and to fund an endowment to pay for coaches salaries and scholarships. If he is, great. If not, then table it. I'm firm in the belief that we're going to want a baseball program at some point. The sooner we do it, the faster we'll get to a point of being competitive.
    Comparing DU (or any other top lacrosse program) to the top baseball programs in the PAC is like comparing apples to oranges. I wouldn't be shocked if UCLA, USC, and the Arizona schools don't spend more money on shoes and unis than DU or Johns Hopkins spends on lacrosse.

    Having a competitve baseball team would be a very expensive proposition.

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