Reply With QuoteI would be seriously surprised if the concept of gray-shirting never popped up in all the conversations he had with Embree and Marshall. He was listed at 270 when we started recruiting him, and that could have been a friendly 270.
Ya I agree. But, don't really care. This is how the big boys do it. It was either us or Army for Kough, not a sucky choiceOriginally Posted by dio
I would be seriously surprised if the concept of gray-shirting never popped up in all the conversations he had with Embree and Marshall. He was listed at 270 when we started recruiting him, and that could have been a friendly 270.
Not bush league at all...Coaches are responsible to do what is best for the program and the individual...this works out well for both because Kough would have got caught up in numbers game otherwise
I was responding to Mtn, not you, and expanding on what he posted.What part of "positives aside" did you not get?
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Uh... It appears he already got 'caught up in numbers game.' While we don't know exactly what went down here, I want to go on record that I don't want our coach over signing and then forcing kids out or to grey shirt. If the coach tells them there is a possibility that they will grey shirt and then they end up greyshirtting, that's one thing. But if there's no mention of it before the LOI is signed, they should not be required to gs.
This thread has been a great eye opener for me. Under certain circumstances I can see advantages to greyshirting above and beyond the more usual redshirting. You could say 'All's well that ends well' but I personally would advocate up front education and honest discussion so that student-athletes and parents go in with their eyes open. (Again, not knowing the full story, I can't say that this didn't happen.)
The way Kough responded kind of matter of factly makes it sound to me like he knew it was a possibility. Otherwise he would have been more upset.
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To me, the bigger issue is OL recruiting in general. Not very good right now and the whole "we did not focus on it in 2012, so no big deal" spin is fishy.
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If one or two of the DLs from this class end up switching sides to the OL like Nembot did last year, that will change my impression of the 2012 OL class. Besides, there's no way we want to have 9 DLs in the same class (or whatever that number ended up at).
I agree. But we better not be overloading on the offensive line in this class either. Five max (including Kough) should be the target. Otherwise, we are going to constantly be chasing numbers.
I meant to post this in the previous discussion on offensive linemen when someone, don't remember who, asked a question about the difficulty in evaluating OL prospects and projecting them and asked if they were more error prone from a ratings perspective than other positions.
According to Scott Kennedy, Scout.com's Director of Scouting, evaluating and projecting offensive linemen prospects is the most difficult position out there and it isn't even close.
http://recruiting.scout.com/2/1096285.html
"According to Kennedy, the toughest position to evaluate is an offensive lineman, "and it's not close," he added. "Big guys develop more slowly. Skill players are born, linemen are built. While we are ranking them, they are the farthest from being finished products, which makes them the hardest to project."
So the kid is getting a super long summer instead of a super short summer. I would look at it as having the opportunity to be in college an extra semester. Dude could probably get his masters before he is done is he wants to. Kough will definitely see this as a good thing when its all said and done.
Another quick question for the nerds who actually read the NCAA rule book. Is this really a grey shirt or is this just a deferred enrollment?
My understanding is that your clock starts as soon as you start classes. It doesnt matter if that is when you are 18 or 50. So if he isnt starting classes until next spring semester does he really burn a grey shirt? The reason I ask is what if he ends up actually needing a medical grey shirt (comes in redshirts then gets hurt in camp or something)? Am I missing something here?
Difference between a redshirt and grayshirt. Redshirt means officially enrolled, not playing that season, counts against the players eligibility clock. Grayshirt means not officially enrolled until second semester, clock doesn't start. Still has 5 years to play 4 (barring an injury redshirt which may add one more in some cases.)
There's no greyshirt to burn. It's a term that describes a deferred enrollment.
There's also no such thing as a medical greyshirt (or medical redshirt, for that matter). Once he starts, he has 5 years to play 4. If he gets hurt, he can use that as a redshirt year. If he loses more than one year to injury, he can apply to the NCAA for a medical hardship waiver and get a 6th year on the clock after the 5 are up.
One thing the greyshirt does, which we haven't discussed, is that it voids the LOI and the player becomes a free agent. Kough could theoretically decide to join another football program this fall or winter.
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