Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Unleash Hell, Sep 2, 2012.
He gets fired, but after the guys at the top see what a consistently great basketball program can do for the university, the admin finally realize it's in everyone's best interests to do something with this football team and hire a legit BCS coach.
Because the guy coaching the "consistently great basketball program" came from a legit BCS program??
Bohn found a true diamond in the rough with Tad Boyle - who was coaching at Northern Colorado when CU hired him.
I think Mike Bohn will hire himself as head coach. benson and distephano won't care.
also i don't think making it to the ncaa tournament once counts as a "consistently great basketball program". that kind of thinking is why hawkins got an extension after barely making it to a bowl game and having a losing season...
I suspect the next hire comes from the assistant coach (i.e. coordinator) ranks.
Someone with good experience at a successful program, who won't break the bank to hire.
Please, please let it be someone who is a defensive guru
I'll say "none of the above." Embree will still be the coach and we won't be back, but we won't suck either. We'll hopefully have 1-2 bowl appearances, maybe a bowl win. But probably only a 6-7 win team.
Not trying to be a jerk, and know that everyone wants instant results, but this is going to take time
So how much more time? 5, 10 years? How long is long enough? Holy **** we haven't had a good season in a decade and haven't had a winning season in seven years.
3 years from now we'll have DiStefano still sitting around telling us how content he is that we "competed" and showed "good sportsmanship". We're hexed. The only way this garbage ends is when everyone associated with this abomination of an athletic program are wiped out. Bohn happened to get extremely lucky with Boyle. Nothing more than luck.
Some of you don't seem to understand that we don't have 8 years to sit around being patient. This is an absolutely crucial point for this program with the conference switch and everything else, and here we are embarrassing ourselves and wasting a golden opportunity. We're pissing away crucial time. Either we get our **** together soon, or we face another decade + of complete and utter futility before there's a ray of hope.
True, but we've now tried the whole "non-bcs coach" thing twice now in football. and, at least if my first prediction comes true, my second prediction is that we don't go the same route as before.
oh, and we can always say that bohn just got INCREDIBLY lucky in getting Tad. Even a blind squirrel...
CU is too cheap to fire anyone. We will be stuck with everyone on this staff until their contracts are done.
How can you say that?? CU is still paying for its last two football head coaches - both of whom were fired.
So many reasons why the university wanted to get rid of Barnett, and the on-field performance was a easy excuse.
They let DII hang around 2 extra years when everyone else on the planet knew that he was a failure. Bohn had the line after year 4 when they kept him saying many programs don't really start showing improvement until year 5.
My God, the myth that we're still paying Barnett lives on. News flash, we paid him for like 3 years after he was fired. He was fired in 2005. As for Hawkins, I think we're in the final year of his contract now.
Money isn't going to be an issue with the next head coaching hire. There isn't a single program in the Pac 12 that can't afford to pay it's coach $4MM+ if it wants to. The issue is going to be whether the administration has the balls to act. Based on historical decision making, I wouldn't put much stock in that.
While that's true, I don't think it's fair to put the failures of Hawkins tenure on Embree... at least as far as evaluating Embree and whether he should be retained or not. This is year two, and I think by year four we should have a good idea on Embree as a coach. At that point, his first full recruiting class will be juniors... his second class sophomores. That's when you get a better idea about him as a coach.
This offense is VERY inexperienced. We have a QB, LT and C with more then 3 starts. That's it. And half of our fanbase wants to bench the QB for someone that has no college football experience but was rated highly by scout.com/rivals.com.
General rule is coaches should almost always get at least three seasons, and in most cases four years. Yes, KU fired Turner Gill after two disastrous seasons but we'll see how that turns out for them. They could be looking to hire a new coach two seasons from now. Do that enough, and you're going to find it difficult to hire a good coach. I don't think we should exactly be following the KU model for success, at least for football.
Need to see Embree's 4th and 5th year players before I can really vote... Hate to say it, but true.
How many years did Washington give Keith Gilbertson?
When I chose "still here and back" I thought I'd be the only one,pleasantly surprised I wasn't
**** all four of you who voted
"We've dropped down to a non AQ conference or FCS"
Not to mention Willingham being another clear example of why sometimes it's blatantly clear that 4 years isn't an option (unless you enjoy winless seasons)
If it were up to me, I'd fire Embree right now and put Cabral in charge for the remainder of the season. This season is shot already, why prolong the pain? Depending on how Cabral does for the remainder of the season, I'd consider giving him the chance to run the program on a permanent basis.
When the time comes to fire Embree and crew, I sure hope we don't keep half the coaching staff. Time for a clean slate across the board.
Unfortunately I think that is completely accurate. Which is why I didn't vote, because I think the answer is more like "We will be very mediocre and flirting with 6 or 7 wins per year." And this administration will love that because it means our program is moderately successful but nowhere near the point where it is the dominant image of CU. So my answer would be somewhere between the first and second option.
And you're also right about Boyle, we got lucky with him. We all love the great job he has done and appears destined to actually take us into the 2nd weekend of the tourney, but let's not forget that many of us, myself included, were underwhelmed with him at the time of the hire.
Firing a coach after 14 games ? Not easy to hire a new coach when you become known for dumping coaches at a drop of a hat.
LOL. While a great coach, Cabral is not a head coach. Echoing the statement above, I can't believe people really want this guy fired after 14 games....unreal. Let's fire him and get locked into a $20MM (4 per year over 5) contract for a "proven" HC that could just as well turn into the next Fairbanks as the next Mac....Mac warned everyone to be patient out of the gate BTW. I still have a lot of confidence in Embree (over the long term, admittedly Saturday was a failure on all fronts)
I hope the entire coaching staff is on notice after this loss to CSU. They should know that CU is getting between $20 to $30 million from the media alone and CU can easily buy out contracts this time around and pay off what is owed to Barnett & Hawkins (if we are still paying their contracts). As for whether we are still paying Barnett & Hawkins, I'd love to see proof that we have actually paid off Barnett & Hawkins.
It's time for the admin to grow some balls and hire a real coaching staff that will coach up the players instead of harp about the glory days of CU football like some kids have told Ringo.
I think this will be a good wake up call. I still believe we'll be competitive in the PAC this year. Then again I'm an idot so who knows.
Not a concern. If anything, we're probably known for hanging on to failing coaches too long and not caring about the success of the program. A little impatience and demonstration that the people in charge actually give a sh!t would be refreshing.
I agree that two years might be jumping the gun, but I think we can start making good judgements after next season. We have a manageable non-conference schedule (don't even leave the state) and we likely do not have to go above .500 in conference play to get a bowl. With a team that will be returning a lot on offense and a fair amount on defense too, that is not an unreasonable expectation. If we are sitting here in December 2013 and there is no bowl game (under the assumption we do not make one in 2012), we are likely looking at two very bad recruiting classes in 2013 and 2014. What's the point of continuing the experiment at that point? To fulfill some mythical obligation to coaches?
Sorry if I think a former coach who has been out of the game for the better part of two decades should not be the deciding voice in the debate. I appreciate all Mac did for us in the past, but the program should not live or die by his word in 2012.
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