31 players have been drafted from that boring 2011 BCSCG between UA and LSU

[Dark Bohner]

Take Stanford out of the P12 and you guys are the B12 again.

Not even close, but thanks for playing.

 

[Bama Charlie]

Academic smack talk is lame, imo. I'm sure there are plenty of highly respected programs at SEC schools. I can think of maybe a handful of schools that are strong across all fields of study (i.e. Stanford-caliber schools).

And don't forget the last USNWR had UA ranked well above CU. I try not to say it too much because you guys are real touchy about it. In fact the barn, UA, UGA, UF, and Vandy are all ranked above CU.

 

[Bama Charlie]

Not even close, but thanks for playing.

102. Arizona

106. Washington State

115. Oregon

121. Arizona State

Tier 3 unranked Oregon State

 

[tante]

This is awesome. An SEC fan is trying to throw out academic smack talk.

 

[Deleted member 807]

And don't forget the last USNWR had UA ranked well above CU. I try not to say it too much because you guys are real touchy about it. In fact the barn, UA, UGA, UF, and Vandy are all ranked above CU.

USNWR is notorious for falling for shenanigans, the kind that SEC culture endorses.

CU gets knocked for high tuition and prescreening practices that lead to relatively high freshmen admission percentages. But whatever. It's not like you aren't trolling.

 

[Bama Charlie]

This is awesome. An SEC fan is trying to throw out academic smack talk.

Just the facts

Pac 12: Average of 81.75


6. Stanford


21. Cal


24. UCLA


24. USC


46. Washington


97. Colorado


115. Oregon


120. Arizona


125. Utah


125. Washington State


139. Arizona State


139. Oregon State





SEC -- Average of 98.7


17. Vandy


54. Florida


63. Georgia


65. Texas A&M


77. Alabama


89. Auburn


97. Missouri


101. Tennessee


115. South Carolina


125. Kentucky


134. LSU


134. Arkansas


151. Ole Miss


160. Mississippi State

 

[Bama Charlie]

USNWR is notorious for falling for shenanigans, the kind that SEC culture endorses.

CU gets knocked for high tuition and prescreening practices that lead to relatively high freshmen admission percentages. But whatever. It's not like you aren't trolling.

Forbes

283 University of Alabama AL 356 University of Colorado, Boulder CO Conspiracy.

 

[skibum]

Charlie, see here:
http://www.allbuffs.com/showthread.php/87153-World-University-Rankings
and stfu.

Seriously, our leaving the B12 neither improved or hurt the P12 academic rankings, but it definitely hurt the B12's.

We're average in the P12, we get that. What you don't understand is what an improvement it is over our last group of friends - they kept on pulling us down to their level.

Now that I think of it, even having this conversation right now seems so very familiar for some reason...

 

[Quattro]

Take Stanford out of the P12 and you guys are the B12 again.

You need to check your facts, Charlie. Let's look at the top half of each conference...

Forbes

Pac 12 (Forbes)

1. Stanford (3)
2. UCLA (45)
3. California (50)
4. Washington (87)
5. USC (95)
6. Colorado (133)

• Top Half Average: 68.8
• Conference Average: 187.4

Big 12 (Forbes)

1. Texas (104)
2. Baylor (213)
3. TCU (214)
4. Oklahoma (273)
5. Kansas (308)
6. Texas Tech (310)

• Top Half Average: 237
• Conference Average: 299.3

SEC (Forbes)

1. Vanderbilt (33)
2. Florida (80)
3. Georgia (125)
4. Texas aTm (149)
5. Arkansas (263)
6. Ole Miss (270)
7. Auburn (271)

• Top Half Average: 170.1
• Conference Average: 258.7

#FactsBitch

 

[tante]

Let him continue to cherry pick rankings. I want to see what happens when he gets to AAU members.

 

[Deleted member 807]

Just the facts

More facts:
http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2012-13/world-ranking

PAC12. Avg: 117
2. Stanford
9. Cal
13. UCLA
24. Washington
56. USC
91. Colorado
98. Arizona
134. Utah
148. Arizona State
251-275. Oregon
275-300. Oregon State
301-350. Wazzou




SEC: avg 271
106. Vanderbilt
122. Florida
156. Texas A2M
201-225. UGA
226-250. Mizzou
276-300. S Car
301-350. Kentucky
Too awesome to be ranked (below top 400)
LSU
Auburn
Alabama
Arkansas
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
Tennessee

 

[Deleted member 807]

Forbes

283University of Alabama AL 356University of Colorado, Boulder CO Conspiracy.

Fact check: Forbes 2013.
http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/list/#page:2_sort:0_direction:asc_search:_filter:All states

CU 133
Bama 274

Literacy.
Note CU Denver is not CU Boulder.

 

[Quattro]

USNWR is notorious for falling for shenanigans, the kind that SEC culture endorses.

CU gets knocked for high tuition and prescreening practices that lead to relatively high freshmen admission percentages. But whatever. It's not like you aren't trolling.

Yeah let's go ahead and use a source that includes what high school counselors think of that school along with state funding (which CU gets nearly zero, Charlie).

Charlie, your "facts" are bull****.

 

[Bama Charlie]

I found something you guys take seriously now. I never said the SEC was better FWIW. I have to go back and find that CU/365 thing. I did copy and paste but the provided link is correct. Can we go back to football now?

 

[Bama Charlie]

You need to check your facts, Charlie. Let's look at the top half of each conference...

Forbes

Pac 12 (Forbes)

1. Stanford (3)
2. UCLA (45)
3. California (50)
4. Washington (87)
5. USC (95)
6. Colorado (133)

• Top Half Average: 68.8
• Conference Average: 187.4

Big 12 (Forbes)

1. Texas (104)
2. Baylor (213)
3. TCU (214)
4. Oklahoma (273)
5. Kansas (308)
6. Texas Tech (310)

• Top Half Average: 237
• Conference Average: 299.3

SEC (Forbes)

1. Vanderbilt (33)
2. Florida (80)
3. Georgia (125)
4. Texas aTm (149)
5. Arkansas (263)
6. Ole Miss (270)
7. Auburn (271)

• Top Half Average: 170.1
• Conference Average: 258.7

#FactsBitch

If Ole Miss is really a better school than UA we should forfeit.

 

[Quattro]

If Ole Miss is really a better school than UA we should forfeit.

270 vs. 273 per Forbes. Will you just admit that your claim was wrong?

 

[Deleted member 807]

I found something you guys take seriously now. I never said the SEC was better FWIW. I have to go back and find that CU/365 thing. I did copy and paste but the provided link is correct. Can we go back to football now?

**** you, dumbass. We're not done with you yet.

A look admissions of freshmen shows Bama attracts a less academically accomplished incoming class.

Alabama: http://gobama.ua.edu/steps/freshman-req/
"A student with a 21 ACT or 1000 SAT [critical reading and math scores only] along with a cumulative GPA of 3.0 should be successful at the University"

CU: http://www.colorado.edu/admissions/undergraduate/apply/freshman/admissioncriteria

Middle 50% of Fall 2011 Admitted Freshman Applicants by College
College of Architecture and Planning
HS GPA 3.34 - 3.96
SAT Total*1100 - 1280
ACT Composite24 - 28

College of Arts and Sciences
HS GPA3.27 - 3.9
SAT Total*1090 - 1280
ACT Composite24 - 29

Leeds School of Business
HS GPA3.50 - 3.95
SAT Total*1120 - 1280
ACT Composite25 - 29

College of Engineering and Applied Science
HS GPA3.79 - 4.0
SAT Total*1230 - 1390
ACT Composite27 - 32

College of Music
HS GPA3.37 - 4.0
Percentile Rank63 - 92%
SAT Total*1140 - 1330
ACT Composite25 - 30
* Range includes critical reading and math scores only

High school curriculum requirement
....................UA.......CU
English........... 4........4
Social Science.4.......3
Math.................3.......4
Foreign Lang....1.......3
Nat science........0......3
Add'l units..........5......0

 

[Quattro]

Boom

 

[Duff Man]

There is no natural science curriculum requirement? Is that real?

 

[neil29fp]

Holy ****! This thread did become an academic smackdown thread. Colorado fans pumping Stanford is the equivalent of an Ole Miss fan pumping "SEC" Football...it's lame. There are degree fields at CU that are superior than their counterparts at Alabama and vise versa. Besides, college is what you make of it.

 

[Dark Bohner]

Fact check: Forbes 2013.
http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/list/#page:2_sort:0_direction:asc_search:_filter:All states

CU 133
Bama 274

Literacy.
Note CU Denver is not CU Boulder.

BC comes on with some academic smack and can't even provide his facts correctly. Guess we know the value of your education now.

 

[Mick Ronson]

those forbes rankings are psychotic weird. all the "rankings" are moronic....but the Forbes has some crazy stuff. we have done this a thousand times.....if BC is rolling (tide) with forbes as his "go to"....put that ignore.

US News is dumb too....but somehow authoritative. to the right lemmings. like top 40 music.

if you are in a class with 250 people taking an econ 1001 or chem class out of a textbook....ain't gonna be some magical difference in Berkeley or Stillwater.

 

[Mick Ronson]

i remember Bama Charlie was well behaved and liked being over here instead of running the train on the SEC rails hype (blow) job. wtf?

we got our problems BC....we don't care about the self-fellatio you SEC types seem to run every board i go to. go for it. why not act like you've been there before.....

 

[DBT]

Holy ****! This thread did become an academic smackdown thread. Colorado fans pumping Stanford is the equivalent of an Ole Miss fan pumping "SEC" Football...it's lame. There are degree fields at CU that are superior than their counterparts at Alabama and vise versa. Besides, college is what you make of it.

Again, what is lame is the NCAA's APR requirement. It tilts the playing field big time. It isn't that you can't be good with it. It is that it filters out the numbers of recruits the more "academically rigorous" programs can pursue. Plus, schools that have great academic standing but get that being successful in football and basketball is beneficial provide their athletic programs with the tools to compete.

 

[Deleted member 807]

Now a look at the output:


Nobel Laureates

Colorado
John L. Hall, Nobel Laureate in Physics in 2005
Eric Allin Cornell, Nobel Laureate in Physics in 2001
Carl Wieman, Nobel Laureate in Physics in 2001
Herbert Kroemer, Nobel Laureate in Physics in 2000
Thomas R. Cech, Nobel Laureate in Chemistry in 1989
Sidney Altman, Nobel Laureate in Chemistry in 1989
Craig Mello, Nobel Laureate in Physiology or Medicine in 2006
Ellen Johnson Sirleaf, co-recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize in 2011
Norman Ramsey, Nobel Laureate in Physics in 1989
Stanley Cohen (biochemist), Nobel Laureate in Physiology or Medicine in 1986
David J. Wineland, Nobel Laureate in Physics in 2012

Alabama - N/A

Science
Alabama
Mohammad Ataul Karim, World Renowned Physicist
Lafayette Guild, Medical Director for Robert E. Lee's Army of Northern Virginia during the American Civil War and a pioneer in the research of yellow fever.
Timothy Leary, psychologist, writer and drug activist
Robert M. Lightfoot, Jr., 11th Director of NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center
Robert Van de Graaff, physicist, inventor of Van de Graaff generator
Jimmy Wales, co-founder of Wikipedia
E.O. Wilson, entomologist known for work on evolution and sociobiology; Pulitzer Prize winner
Louis Rosen, nuclear physicist, the "father" of the Los Alamos Neutron Science Center
Justin Hill, founder of the Alabama Lunar Rover Project
Eugene Allen Smith (A.B. 1862), American geologist; president of the GSA 1913


Colorado
Elaine Anderson, noted paleontologist
Steve Chappell, aerospace engineer and NASA scientist
Erica Chenoweth, political scientist, expert on civil resistance movements and faculty member at the Josef Korbel School of International Studies
Robert Corruccini, biological anthropologist and author of numerous monographs and articles on the theory of malocclusion
W. Edwards Deming, manufacturing quality expert
Tom Hornbein, developed the standard breathing mask after climbing Mt. Everest in 1963
William T. Kane, physicist in field of fiber optics
Alan Kay, computer scientist, Turing Award winner
Emory Lindquist, Rhodes scholar, Swedish American historian, President of Bethany College (Kansas) and Witchita State University
Elisabeth Kubler-Ross Swiss-born psychiatrist and the author of the groundbreaking book On Death and Dying
Christopher McKay, planetary scientist at NASA Ames Research Center
Theodore Harold Maiman, demonstrated the first laser
Loren Acton, NASA astronaut
Patrick Baudry, CNES astronaut
Vance D. Brand, NASA astronaut
Scott Carpenter, NASA astronaut in second orbital flight (fourth manned) of Project Mercury
Kalpana Chawla, NASA astronaut died on Columbia
Takao Doi, NASA astronaut
Samuel T. Durrance, NASA astronaut
John Herrington, NASA astronaut
Richard Hieb, NASA astronaut
Marsha Ivins, NASA astronaut
John M. Lounge, NASA astronaut
George Nelson, NASA astronaut
Ellison Onizuka, NASA astronaut died on Challenger in January 1986
Stuart Roosa, NASA astronaut flew on Apollo 14
Ronald M. Sega, NASA astronaut
Jack Swigert, NASA astronaut flew on Apollo 13
James Voss, NASA astronaut



Business
Alabama
Bernard Madoff, former American businessman, convicted of operating a Ponzi scheme (attended, but did not graduate)
Winton M. Blount, Chairman of Blount International and former Postmaster General
David G. Bronner, Director Alabama Pension Systems
Samuel DiPiazza, former Chief Executive Officer of PricewaterhouseCoopers
James M. Fail, chairman of Bluebonnet Savings Bank
Joe McInnes, Dir - Ala Dept of Transportation; Exec Vice President-Blount International
Janet Gurwitch, former Executive Vice President of Merchandising at Neiman Marcus, co-founder of Gurwitch Products, the manufacturer of Laura Mercier Cosmetics
Thom S. Rainer, president and CEO of LifeWay Christian Resources
Marvin Mann, former president and CEO of Lexmark International
Neal Selman, former Executive Vp and Executive Creative Director of Draftfcb
Dana R. Garmany, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Troon Golf


Colorado business
Mohammed Al Mady, President of SABIC
Jake Burton Carpenter, founder of Burton Snowboards
Steve Ells, founder, Chairman, and CEO of Chipotle Mexican Grill
Richard S. Fuld, Lehman Brothers, Chairman and CEO
Tim Gill, Founder and former Chairman of Quark, Inc.
Michael Karlan, founder of Professionals in the City
Sanford McDonnell, President of McDonnell Aircraft Corporation
Chris Myers, former Vice President of Business Development at Lockheed Martin and former Mayor of Medford, New Jersey
Scott Oki, former senior vice-president of sales and marketing for Microsoft who conceived and built Microsoft's international operations.
David Kennedy, co-founder of Wieden + Kennedy advertising agency, well-known for its 1980s "Just Do It" campaign for Nike.
Thorleif Enger, former boss of Yara International
Michael T. Voorhees, American entrepreneur, engineer, designer, geographer, and aeronaut
Steve Wozniak, co-founder Apple Inc
Michael K. Wirth, Chevron Corporation's executive vice president for Downstream
Keith D. Villa, Founder, Blue Moon Brewing, Co. Blue Moon (beer)


Journalism

Alabama
Mel Allen, sportscaster for the New York Yankees, best known as the "legendary voice of the Yankees' organization" and first host of This Week in Baseball
Rece Davis, ESPN sports analyst
Howell Raines, former executive editor of The New York Times; Pulitzer Prize winner for Feature Writing
Winston Groom, author, "Forrest Gump"; graduate 1965
Joe Scarborough,currently the host of Morning Joe on MSNBC
Kathryn Stockett, author, The Help

Colorado
Dave Briggs, Co-host Fox & Friends Weekend, Fox News Channel
Benedict Carey, medical and science writer for The New York Times
Kevin Corke, former NBC News Correspondent
Chris Fowler, ESPN
Jim Gray, sports reporter
Herb Keinon - Columnist and journalist for The Jerusalem Post
Tom Keene, editor-at-large for Bloomberg News
Joe Kernen, CNBC Anchor
Frank W. Mayborn (1903–1987), Texas newspaper publisher and philanthropist
Robert Palmer, Emmy Award winner; news editor and executive editor
Carl Quintanilla, CNBC News Anchor
Lara Jo Regan, Documentary / fine art Photographer, photojournalist, author, winner of World Press Photo of the Year
Rick Reilly, ESPN commentator and former Sports Illustrated writer, ten-time National Sportswriter of the Year
Jonathan Weil, columnist for Bloomberg News and former writer for the Wall Street Journal
Tom Costello, NBC News, Washington-based correspondent.


Arts & Humanity

Alabama
Gay Talese
Mark Childress, author (Crazy in Alabama)
William Christenberry, artist
Borden Deal, novelist and short story writer
Kelly Dessaint, author
Jim Hilgartner, author
Harper Lee, Pulitzer Prize winner, author of To Kill a Mockingbird (attended, but did not graduate)
Dale Kennington a Contemporary Artist
Gay Talese, author and journalist
Kathryn Stockett, author of 2009 novel The Help
William Y. Thompson, historian
Michelle Ray, Photographer
Ann Waldron (1924-2010), author.
Norbert Leo Butz, Broadway actor
Debra Marshall, former WWE and WCW diva
Cristin Duren, Miss Florida USA 2006
Jim Nabors, actor
Ray Reach, jazz pianist, singer, arranger and composer, director of Student Jazz Programs at the Alabama Jazz Hall of Fame
Steve Sample, Sr., jazz arranger, composer and educator
Sela Ward, actress
Tom Cherones, director of Seinfeld
Madeline Mitchell
Ashley Crow, actress
Madeline Mitchell, Miss Alabama USA 2011 and Miss USA 2011 (2nd runner-up)
Michael Emerson, actor
Sonequa Martin-Green, actress


Colorado - arts
Big Head Todd and the Monsters, rock band
Chris Wood, American electronic musician
Low vs Diamond, rock band
3OH!3, hip-hop group
Josephine Antoine, coloratura soprano with the Metropolitan Opera
Chairlift, electronic-pop group
Derek Cianfrance, film director
Lydia Cornell, actress, author
Eric Darnell, director
Brian Dietzen, actor
Patricia Elliott, actress
Joe Flanigan, actor
Dave Grusin, composer, winner of three Academy and three Grammy awards
Heather Hach, wrote the screenplay for the 2003 remake of Freaky Friday and the book of the Broadway musical Legally Blonde
Land of the Loops, electronica musician
William Lewis, opera tenor and academic
Larry Linville, actor (M*A*S*H)
Christopher Meloni, actor
Chaney Kley, actor
Glenn Miller, composer, big band leader
Nathaniel Motte, singer, songwriter, producer, performer, film composer, instrumentalist, and playwright
Townes Van Zandt, Country-Folk singer-songwriter
Thomas Noel, historian
Peter O'Fallon, American director, producer and writer
Trey Parker, co-creator of South Park
Matt Stone, co-creator of South Park
Robert Redford, actor, did not graduate, Oscar winner, Founder of the Sundance Film Festival
Aaron Simpson, Emmy-nominated animation producer
Susan Arnout Smith, award-winning playwright and novelist
Paul Soldner, artist
Nancy Spungen, girlfriend of Sid Vicious, bass guitarist of punk rock band the Sex Pistols and groupie of glam rock band the New York Dolls; did not graduate
Steve Taylor, singer/songwriter and film director
Dalton Trumbo, writer, Academy Award winner
Joan Van Ark, actress
Linda Williams, professors of film studies at the University of California, Berkeley
Casey Parker, adult film actress, did not graduate
Lisa Donovan, actress and writer
Shawn King, drummer, percussionist, trumpeter, accordionist, organist for the band DeVotchKa
Nicole Fox, model, winner of America's Next Top Model, Cycle 13
Brandon Barnes, drummer, for the band Rise Against and Pinhead Circus
Tanner Foust, television host, stunt driver, professional racing driver
Eric Stough, producer and the director of animation on South Park
Dean Zanuck, motion picture executive and producer
Ed Dorn, poet
John Fante, author of Ask the Dust
Mark Leyner, Author
Jean Stafford, Pulitzer prize winner
Luís Alberto Urrea, Mexican American poet, novelist, and essayist
Marilyn Van Derbur - Miss America
Carrie Vaughn, author
Jack Williamson PhD - science fiction author and educator


Notable Gov't

Alabama
William Brockman Bankhead, US House of Representatives (1917-1933), (1933-1940), Speaker of the House (1936-1940)[5]
Maryon P. Allen, United States Senator from Alabama (1978)
James B. Allen, United States Senator from Alabama (1969-1978)
Hugo Black, US Supreme Court Justice (1937–1971)
Millard Fuller, founder of Habitat for Humanity International
Lino Gutierrez, Diplomat, United States Ambassador to Argentina (2003-2006), United States Ambassador to Nicaragua (1996-1999)
Howell Heflin, United States Senator from Alabama
Jeff Sessions, United States Senator from Alabama
Richard Shelby, United States Senator from Alabama
Donald W. Stewart, United States Senator from Alabama


Colorado
Wiley Rutledge, former associate justice of the U.S. Supreme Court
Byron White, former associate justice of the U.S. Supreme Court
Gordon L. Allott, former U.S. Senator from Colorado (1955–1973)
Hank Brown, U.S. Senator; U.S. Representative
Mary Ann Casey, Ambassador to Algeria, Tunisia
Tsakhiagiyn Elbegdorj, leader of non-violent revolution that brought democracy to Mongolia, two time Prime Minister, one time vice speaker of the parliament, one time Majority Leader of the parliament, three time Member of Parliament, and current President of Mongolia.
Ellen Johnson Sirleaf, President of Liberia
Ed Perlmutter, U.S. Representative for Colorado
Kenneth Rutherford, activist in the International Campa
Llewellyn Thompson, Ambassador to USSR; consul to Moscow; received the Medal of Freedom
Purnomo Yusgiantoro, Minister of Defense of Indonesia, former secretary general of OPEC

 

[tante]

Woz did not graduate from CU, he did attend for a semester or so.

 

[Deleted member 807]

Woz did not graduate from CU, he did attend for a semester or so.

Neither did Redford. And Bama's author of To Kill A Mockingbird, arguably the most famous on the RMFT list didn't graduate from UA, either.

Plus the "didn't graduate" card was played in order to justify putting Bernie Madoff on Bama's ledger. Who woulda thunk someone walking the hallowed grounds of Tuscaloosa could ever cheat like Bernie?

Madoff is a bigger POS than Harvey Up****.

 

[Bama Charlie]

270 vs. 273 per Forbes. Will you just admit that your claim was wrong?

Which claim?

 

[tante]

Which claim?

All of them you ever made.

 

[Bama Charlie]

Dear Skidmark,

It looks like you pulled all your information from wikipedia which was started by a UA grad. Irony.

Your Pal,

BC