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Andre (Edit: LEAVING FOR NBA)
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Medford M.
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I would hate it too.
Hard to compare Dre to some of the others since his contributions are/were of a different sort. He was in most games not an offensive force but he did absolutely dominate on the glass frequently and defensively he could change games.
As old as I am I am not old enough to remember Meely and I don't remember much of Logan (although I do remember Scott Wedman who has to be considered as well. I also would have loved to have seen Chuck Williams who was a star at CU before having a very successfull pro career in the late 60's-early 70's. I do remember him as a pro
It's hard to argue against Chauncey at the top of the list. He took a team that outside of him wasn't very good to the tourney. Boyce is I think often underrated, Burks and Higgins started us on the road to being respectable and Burks could dominate games.
I would have loved to see Humphreys playing for a guy like Tad. He was so versatile and willing to do whatever it took to win, in some ways he was a much more talented Chen. Tad would have loved him.
As old as I am I am not old enough to remember Meely and I don't remember much of Logan (although I do remember Scott Wedman who has to be considered as well. I also would have loved to have seen Chuck Williams who was a star at CU before having a very successfull pro career in the late 60's-early 70's. I do remember him as a pro
It's hard to argue against Chauncey at the top of the list. He took a team that outside of him wasn't very good to the tourney. Boyce is I think often underrated, Burks and Higgins started us on the road to being respectable and Burks could dominate games.
I would have loved to see Humphreys playing for a guy like Tad. He was so versatile and willing to do whatever it took to win, in some ways he was a much more talented Chen. Tad would have loved him.
Can anyone explain exactly why they are so certain that he's gone? I understand the logical argument, but Barkley could have left under those circumstances, so history shows there are other considerations (having a sister at the same school.) I don't think he is a lock for the first round, and he is from Austin, which makes me think money isn't everything. I dunno, is the NBA stuff inside info?
Unless someone here has had Andre specifically tell them he is gone it is pure speculation and based on my limited knowledge I don't think Andre has told anyone outside of the immediate program what he is planning to do. People like to feel like their opinion is fact and brag on it when they are correct (and forget about it when they are wrong.)
You might be able to get an idea on certain players if they quit going to class or start spending agent money left and right but I don't think Andre is doing that either.
My gut feeling is that he is leaning towards going but like everyone else that isn't based on anything that Andre has publicly said or done. I want him to stay but if I were advising him I would tell him to enter the process without an agent and evaluate his options. If he is likely to end up in a situation that is a good fit for him then go, if not come back and take his chances next year.
I'm another one who enjoyed watching Jo Jo Hunter play. I had no idea this is what his life has been.
I think it will also depend on who else declares. I don't think he is a lock to declare yet based on current draft boards. I wouldn't be surprised if Tad pushes hard for him to stay, which would mean something as he told Alec Burks that he should go.
cubuffs85
Active Member
Totally concur here.
I don't think anyone is trying to pass their opinion off as fact, but there are folks here who are more connected to the team and who occasionally receive insight that isn't yet public knowledge (and no, I'm not claiming that's me; my information comes solely from here and Rivals). For reasons that should be obvious, they aren't going to come out and say where the information came from, but it doesn't make it any less true. It's like any message board- you learn who is consistently right and you realize that what they're saying is usually much closer to fact than speculation.
Understandable, but that was a long time ago, and I'm not sure he has gotten the growth or recognition he was kind of expecting for the season.
True, and from legit sources. At the same time Dre also expected that at the end of this season he would also be looking at going at or close to the lottery. Instead he is looking at a good chance of being completely out of the first round.
Combine that with a team that is better than expected and has a chance next year to go deeper into the tourney than could have been imagined a year ago.
I think Dre impressed some scouts with the way he shut down Paul. That block near the end of the game was really something. He proved he can match up against just about any 2-5 spots.
That said, I think where he would get drafted this year is pretty much about where he would get drafted next year (or last year if he chose to leave then). He's not going to magically improve his offensive game this summer and start averaging 24/14 next year. He'll be 10/10 ---> 15/15, and still known as a "defensive specialist"
I also think there is no way an NBA franchise would draft a defensive specialist in the first round, no matter how great a defender he is.
I am perfectly good with whichever decision he makes. If it were me, I'd go pro regardless of what grade I was getting. College exists to prepare you for your future. College puts you in position to live you dream. Well here you are, months away from playing in the NBA. Go get it.
That said, I think where he would get drafted this year is pretty much about where he would get drafted next year (or last year if he chose to leave then). He's not going to magically improve his offensive game this summer and start averaging 24/14 next year. He'll be 10/10 ---> 15/15, and still known as a "defensive specialist"
I also think there is no way an NBA franchise would draft a defensive specialist in the first round, no matter how great a defender he is.
I am perfectly good with whichever decision he makes. If it were me, I'd go pro regardless of what grade I was getting. College exists to prepare you for your future. College puts you in position to live you dream. Well here you are, months away from playing in the NBA. Go get it.
fairdinkum
New Member
I'm in the camp that both Dre and Dinwiddie are gone....
Gold
Well-Known Member
I think he's gone. NBA actually needs lock down defenders like Dre. He's Rodman with a better offensive game. He'll get drafted. Can't trust scouts, half the time their putting out disinformation to keep teams away from who they really want. There's no incentive to talk up a potential draft pick that might fly under the radar and be available late first round/early second round.
As much as I like Dre, he is very unlikely to accomplish what Rodman did in the NBA. Let's not get carried away.
Gold
Well-Known Member
What's unlikely is leading the nation in rebounding as a 6'7" forward. He's a special rebounding talent, the comparison is a fair one.
Gold
Well-Known Member
He had a decent offensive game. I think Dre does too.
FYI, I'm not the first person to mention the Rodman comparison. Tad and Sean Miller have said Dre reminds them of Rodman several times.
cubuffs85
Active Member
Will he be as successful on the world stage?:rofl:
Medford M.
Well-Known Member
I think 4 of the top 5 rebounders this year were 6'8" or shorter.
Gold
Well-Known Member
Ha! Yes, he would have eased tensions in North Korea by now.
Hell, I said Rodman when Dre was a freshman. It's who Dre emulates his game after. Watches film with his Dad of Rodman and studies the rebounding angles and anticipation. All I'm saying is that Rodman was a special player who most NBA teams didn't know what to do with. He was a 7th man for the Pistons teams and looked like he was going to flame out of the league before he found his way to Jordan's Bulls. Dre is definitely going to need to find the right situation.
But he wasn't a full-time starter until his 5th year. Dennis was older, too. He was 29 or 30 years old that season.
duaneallman8
Member
He has nowhere near the offensive game Rodman did. He is very similar in his versatility, on the boards and defensively. Offensively, though, they are not comparable. That said, the idea that Roberson can't improve his game/shot this off season seems silly. Turn in to a gym rat, shoot his ass off, he will be a better offensive player next year, even if just slightly.
About the only offensive thing that I can think of that Dre is better at is that Rodman didn't have a long range shot, Dre has developed that spot up 3 ball that he sometimes can hit.
Rodman usually did most of his scoring off put backs or transition simply because he deferred to the scorers he had with him. At Chicago especially he didn't see the need to create offense when he had guys like Jordan and Pippen and even Kerr who could deal with that part of the game. That said he could drive the ball and was better off the dribble than Dre. He also was a much better finisher in the paint and had a nice short to mid-range jump shot, especially off the angle using glass.
COhoops
New Member
I'd be shocked if Roberson leaves for the NBA. He has no offensive identity whatsoever. He really needs to use next season to develop a consistent jump shot and/or create a post game. He's a great 4 year player in college hoops, he should take advantage of that... And I think he will.
Picking the junk off the boards and putting it back is an offensive identity. Just ask Faried.