Aric Goodman

[boulder77]

I'm with hugegroove.. Show me. Until I see some success I don't believe in him.

That pretty much summarizes my feeling for the whole team.

 

[White_Rabbit]

What are his stats inside 40 yards? It seriously seems like our offense likes to stall right around the 35 yard to 45 yard FG range and Goodman comes in and hits a goalpost.

He's definitely a good kickoff specialist, but I don't consider him good at extra points. He missed one last year and he notoriously started the choke-fest at Wyoming with a missed extra point that cost his team the game.

 

[AlferdJasper]

I hear Castor can't make them from over 35 yards.



Who though? Grossnickle and Castor don't have the range. We have no one who has any game experience besides Aric. He by far has the strongest leg so he has the ability to make a FG from anywhere, he just needs to be able to do it when it matters in the games. I think he is our best option out of not many good options.

Just curious, Rugged. What do you think their "range" is, and what do you think each of their personal best FG distance is?
It's a strange comment if, in fact, you know their statistics.

 

[buffaholic]

watched practice tonight. Castor has plenty of leg. Goodman has a little more probably. Castor can make them a lot longer than 35 unless he's got a mental issue. Let's give the guy a few weeks how about it.

 

[AlferdJasper]

The new walkon kicker/punter, who was wearing #14 at practice, is Dillan Freiberg, from Newport Harbor. His high school teammate is Ryan Iverson -- CU's newest long snapper.

 

[Buffnik]

What are his stats inside 40 yards? It seriously seems like our offense likes to stall right around the 35 yard to 45 yard FG range and Goodman comes in and hits a goalpost.

He's definitely a good kickoff specialist, but I don't consider him good at extra points. He missed one last year and he notoriously started the choke-fest at Wyoming with a missed extra point that cost his team the game.

2006 (Wyoming): 7/9 on FGs inside 40 yards; 18/20 XPs
2008 (Colorado): 5/8 on FGs inside 40 yards; 30/31 XPs
2009 (Colorado): 7/8 on FGs inside 40 yards; 31/32 XPs

Outside 40 yards, AG has been 6/23 on FGs.

 

[AlferdJasper]

Well, if we are going to post stats ... :smile2:

Goodman (College)
2006 made 10 of 16 field goals. (WY)
2007 – sat out following transfer to CU
2008 made 5 of 14 field goals. (CU)
2009 made 10 of 18 field goals (CU)

Goodman (High School – All Colorado team)
2004 made 13 of 20 Field Goal attempts
Career long 54 yards (as redshirt junior at CU, playing against CSU in season opener.)

Grossnickle (High School – All Colorado team)
2008 made 12 of 13 field goals,
HS career long: three over 50 yards (50, 52, 53)
Kicked 61-yard field goal to win Ray Guy competition summer 2008.

Castor (High School – All Colorado team)
2009 made 15 of 24 field-goal attempts,
HS career long of 51 yards

In this conversation, know that there are currently five placekicker candidates out there jostling for position. Don't dismiss Kirkwood, he remains consistent and strong as a FG kicker.

 

[White_Rabbit]

2006 (Wyoming): 7/9 on FGs inside 40 yards; 18/20 XPs
2008 (Colorado): 5/8 on FGs inside 40 yards; 30/31 XPs
2009 (Colorado): 7/8 on FGs inside 40 yards; 31/32 XPs

Outside 40 yards, AG has been 6/23 on FGs.

Thanks. I'm surprised it's that high inside 40, it sure felt lower. I guess he was just missing a bunch of 40 and 41 yarders.

I'm the first one to give Hawk **** about being close, but I kind of feel for Goodman. The guy has hit uprights at a disgustingly impressive pace. If he'd just get it a foot or two more inside, he'd be solid.

It also doesn't help that, maybe it's just me, but teams we play make like 100% of their god damn field goals. Factor in our awesome special teams and it's like they don't even have to put together a couple first downs and they're putting 3 on the board.

 

[AlferdJasper]

This bears repeating if only because I don't want to look it all up again.
Most Uprights Hit in a College Career is an odd statistic because you have to be pretty darn good to hit such a small target repeatedly. It defies logic.

Uprights statistics for both good and missed kicks. Goodman holds the NCAA record both for season and career, at 9 hits. (Only 6 of those were misses, though.) I never found any evidence that he hit the uprights at Wyoming.

Aric Goodman upright hits 2008-2009 at CU:
3 hit upright but went in
6 hit upright and were no good.

Total for college career, thus far: 9 hitting uprights.
(1 of the 9 was an XP, rest were field goals or field goal attempts.)

2009 FG good: 54, 32, 20, 39, 45, 39, 48, 37, 37, 22
(one GOOD kick hit upright)
2008 FG good: 23, 32, 25, 31, 37
(two GOOD kicks hit uprights)

2009 FG misses:
47 (wide right), 40 (wide left), 45 (hit left upright), 57 (wide left), 42 (wide right), 50 (hit right upright)
2008 FG misses:
35 (wide left), 27 (wide left), 36 (wide right), 43 (left upright), 44 (wide right) , 48 (blocked), 47 (wide right), 46 (hit upright), 50 (left upright), 52 missed (wide left), 37 (wide left.)

2009 PATs total (through OSU game): 25=26
(one XP attempt hit upright vs KSU ‘09)
2008 PAT total: 30-31 (one blocked)
Total 08-09 (through OSU game) = 55 XPs for 57 attempts

 

[AlferdJasper]

Not to say Aric can't turn it around. Anything's possible.

James Aho, current Lou Groza candidate at University of New Mexico turned in this performance in 2008:

..finished the year by hitting his last 4 FGs after a bizarre 0-3 game vs. nationally ranked BYU when he hit the upright 3 times on FGs and PATs, including one PAT miss that bounced off both uprights...converted 19-21 PATs and led the team with 58 points...Academic All-MWC honoree.

It's the first clip in this set of highlights. Hitting four goalposts in three kicks in one game is another record I hope won't be broken.
[video]http://chicago.comcastsportsnet.com/pages/landing_09?blockID=258575&tagID=13122&[/video]

 

[rodrigo]

NHitting four goalposts in three kicks in one game is another record I hope won't be broken.

Jeezus H. No wonder kickers are so weird.

And Rugged, to say that Castor and Grossnickle don't have range beyond 35 yards?!?!?!?! Where the f did that come from? Really, somebody's cousin who works at a bank in Broomfield tell you that?

 

[Mick Ronson]

What are his stats inside 40 yards? It seriously seems like our offense likes to stall right around the 35 yard to 45 yard FG range and Goodman comes in and hits a goalpost.

on those occasions when we don't jump offside, turn 3rd and 3 into 3rd and 8, then throw an incomplete pass or get sacked. punt.

 

[buff4bcs1985]

The new walkon kicker/punter, who was wearing #14 at practice, is Dillan Freiberg, from Newport Harbor. His high school teammate is Ryan Iverson -- CU's newest long snapper.

WE DID IT.... someone finally got a jewish mother to sign the football permission slip... the glass ceiling has been shattered!!!

 

[sackman]

WE DID IT.... someone finally got a jewish mother to sign the football permission slip... the glass ceiling has been shattered!!!

I'll have to tell my buddy and high school classmate Ariel Solomon the good news.

 

[Ruckus]

Just curious, Rugged. What do you think their "range" is, and what do you think each of their personal best FG distance is?
It's a strange comment if, in fact, you know their statistics.

Sorry, just meant Grossnickle. I think we will redshirt Castor. I have just heard that Grossnickle hasn't been kicking the same up here as he did in high school. Castor has a good leg and will be around for the four years after this one.

And personal best doesn't necessarily reflect their range.

 

[BuffLuke80]

This bears repeating if only because I don't want to look it all up again.
Most Uprights Hit in a College Career is an odd statistic because you have to be pretty darn good to hit such a small target repeatedly. It defies logic.

Uprights statistics for both good and missed kicks. Goodman holds the NCAA record both for season and career, at 9 hits. (Only 6 of those were misses, though.) I never found any evidence that he hit the uprights at Wyoming.

Aric Goodman upright hits 2008-2009 at CU:
3 hit upright but went in
6 hit upright and were no good.

Total for college career, thus far: 9 hitting uprights.
(1 of the 9 was an XP, rest were field goals or field goal attempts.)

2009 FG good: 54, 32, 20, 39, 45, 39, 48, 37, 37, 22
(one GOOD kick hit upright)
2008 FG good: 23, 32, 25, 31, 37
(two GOOD kicks hit uprights)

2009 FG misses:
47 (wide right), 40 (wide left), 45 (hit left upright), 57 (wide left), 42 (wide right), 50 (hit right upright)
2008 FG misses:
35 (wide left), 27 (wide left), 36 (wide right), 43 (left upright), 44 (wide right) , 48 (blocked), 47 (wide right), 46 (hit upright), 50 (left upright), 52 missed (wide left), 37 (wide left.)

2009 PATs total (through OSU game): 25=26
(one XP attempt hit upright vs KSU ‘09)
2008 PAT total: 30-31 (one blocked)
Total 08-09 (through OSU game) = 55 XPs for 57 attempts

One of our kicking experts wanna break these stats down? To me, it looks like he is in between. When he over hits it, he pulls it left. Then he gets scared to do that and doesnt follow through enough and pushes it right. Kinda a mechanical thing but I think its mainly between his ears.

 

[buf]

Just curious, Rugged. What do you think their "range" is, and what do you think each of their personal best FG distance is?
It's a strange comment if, in fact, you know their statistics.

I know Jameson Davis kicked 71 and 72 yard field goals in front of the coaches.

Goodman has kicked over 60 yarders.

My guess is 50+ for the others.

I'm talking practice kicking

 

[DBT]

Hey, if Goodman is the best guy leading into the season, then he should be the guy. A lot changes from one year to the next. I couldn't kick my dog's ass last year. And now.....

 

[AlferdJasper]

Sorry, just meant Grossnickle. I think we will redshirt Castor. I have just heard that Grossnickle hasn't been kicking the same up here as he did in high school. Castor has a good leg and will be around for the four years after this one.

And personal best doesn't necessarily reflect their range.

doooood. He's NOT kicking. At all. Not in months. They have moved him into punter and the rest of the guys are competing for kicker.
But he was good in high school FWIW. The coaches just prefer him as a punter, or that's where he is needed, so there it is.

I have nothing against Castor, really hope he succeeds and breaks every one of Crosby's records, but I never get why someone thinks he will do great for four years with nothing to base it on? His stats and Goodman's ... about the same in high school. We'll need to see him in action in a game. We need to see him under pressure.

 

[rodrigo]

doooood. He's NOT kicking. At all. Not in months. They have moved him into punter and the rest of the guys are competing for kicker.

Thanks for the informed info, AJ.

Seriously, Rugged, your sources SUCK. Find some new ones - ones who know what the f they're talking about - because right now they're making you look like you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

 

[AlferdJasper]

I know Jameson Davis kicked 71 and 72 yard field goals in front of the coaches.

Goodman has kicked over 60 yarders.

My guess is 50+ for the others.

I'm talking practice kicking

I miss Jameson. Wish his knees had held up a little longer. Never EVER heard a bad word about him as a person.


As far as the other guys, here are the career longs for games:

Goodman
Career long 54 yards (as redshirt junior at CU, playing against CSU in season opener.)

Grossnickle (High School – All Colorado team)
HS career long: three over 50 yards (50, 52, 53)

Castor (High School – All Colorado team)
HS career long of 51 yards

Since all we know is that the coach in each case allowed them to take a shot at a 50+ FG, they made it.

It doesn't tell you their maximum distance, but anything over 50 is pretty good in a game. They are within 4 yards of each other, gamewise.

If you can make 70 yarders, you'll get in the record book, but few coaches are going to try that distance: if you miss, you have given the other guys some amazing field position cheaply. It would have to be some odd game with time running out where 3 points was going to make a huge difference: the hail mary of kicking.

 

[AlferdJasper]

I couldn't kick my dog's ass last year. And now.....

I don't know whether to wince or ask you to start your own thread so we can hear this story... and now... what?
I'm afraid to ask.

 

[AlferdJasper]

One of our kicking experts wanna break these stats down? To me, it looks like he is in between. When he over hits it, he pulls it left. Then he gets scared to do that and doesnt follow through enough and pushes it right. Kinda a mechanical thing but I think its mainly between his ears.

I think he gets anxious and pulls his head up to look at the ball while he is still in motion. The longer the kick is, the less accurate, as Buffnik pointed out. But he has the leg strength to make long ones, but something goes awry technically.

If you look at this field goal - (and yes, Rugged, this is our PUNTER demonstrating a field goal), he never looks up during the kick. I saw this kick analyzed on the Notre Dame site when they were recruiting him and they said it was technically perfect as far as the kicker's form.

[video=youtube;dlvCdvIC2AE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlvCdvIC2AE[/video]

At about 26-27 seconds, he connects with the ball but his upper body does not change position.

But compare that kick to photos of Goodman who is sometimes twisting his body and more upright, looking to see if the kick is good. It seems correctable, but I don't know who is going to tell him that.

Goodman has this shape in comparison - much more upright than an ideal kicker (I think it's like keeping your head down with a golf swing to stay aligned). But also, it's never the same kick twice:

On this one, you can see the twist in his body is significant, but he is keeping his head down, which is better.
(The 48-yd kick was good by the way.)

 

[Ruckus]

doooood. He's NOT kicking. At all. Not in months. They have moved him into punter and the rest of the guys are competing for kicker.
But he was good in high school FWIW. The coaches just prefer him as a punter, or that's where he is needed, so there it is.

Ok.

Thanks for the informed info, AJ.

Seriously, Rugged, your sources SUCK. Find some new ones - ones who know what the f they're talking about - because right now they're making you look like you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Sources? I wish I had some. Although if I did, don't blame them for making me look like I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. I do that just fine on my own. And **** you.


My opinion is still that Aric is our best option at field goal kicker and I think he will do a lot better this year and we will be happy.

 

[Ruckus]

If you look at this field goal - (and yes, Rugged, this is our PUNTER demonstrating a field goal),

Thanks, dick. Got it.

 

[DBT]

I don't know whether to wince or ask you to start your own thread so we can hear this story... and now... what?
I'm afraid to ask.

And now my knees hurt too much to even think about it.

 

[AlferdJasper]

My opinion is still that Aric is our best option at field goal kicker and I think he will do a lot better this year and we will be happy.

It's a fine opinion. I only ask on what you base that? What makes this year the year he turns the corner?
Not being sarcastic, what do you think it is? Experience? Maturity? His workout? Yoga?

If you were at practice yesterday, he didn't look head and shoulders above the rest. He's coming off rehab for the hip, so we can give him some time.
But what gives you the confidence in "Money" this time around?

 

[DBT]

I miss Jameson. Wish his knees had held up a little longer. Never EVER heard a bad word about him as a person.


As far as the other guys, here are the career longs for games:

Goodman
Career long 54 yards (as redshirt junior at CU, playing against CSU in season opener.)

Grossnickle (High School – All Colorado team)
HS career long: three over 50 yards (50, 52, 53)

Castor (High School – All Colorado team)
HS career long of 51 yards

Since all we know is that the coach in each case allowed them to take a shot at a 50+ FG, they made it.

It doesn't tell you their maximum distance, but anything over 50 is pretty good in a game. They are within 4 yards of each other, gamewise.

If you can make 70 yarders, you'll get in the record book, but few coaches are going to try that distance: if you miss, you have given the other guys some amazing field position cheaply. It would have to be some odd game with time running out where 3 points was going to make a huge difference: the hail mary of kicking.

High school goal posts are 23' 4". College are 18' 6". FWIW. Plus in high school, they are allowed to kick off tees. Not in college. Not to say that they did not opt to not use a tee.

 

[Ruckus]

It's a fine opinion. I only ask on what you base that? What makes this year the year he turns the corner?
Not being sarcastic, what do you think it is? Experience? Maturity? His workout? Yoga?

If you were at practice yesterday, he didn't look head and shoulders above the rest. He's coming off rehab for the hip, so we can give him some time.
But what gives you the confidence in "Money" this time around?

I think experience. His first year I think he felt the pressure to live up to the expectations of all of his friends who remember how good he was in high school and the new fans and he had tough breaks with hitting posts and let the first misses get to his head. Second year he felt like he needed to redeem himself and let that pressure get to his head. It is now his senior year, he is older and hopefully more mature. He knows (and we know) he has the ability to make it from anywhere and I think he will put the past behind him and have the right amount of confidence and focus to have a strong senior campaign and help his team win some games.

I hope I'm right, but if not I hope one of the other guys can step up and make some kicks for us. We desperately need our special teams to improve.

 

[DBT]

I think experience. His first year I think he felt the pressure to live up to the expectations of all of his friends who remember how good he was in high school and the new fans and he had tough breaks with hitting posts and let the first misses get to his head. Second year he felt like he needed to redeem himself and let that pressure get to his head. It is now his senior year, he is older and hopefully more mature. He knows (and we know) he has the ability to make it from anywhere and I think he will put the past behind him and have the right amount of confidence and focus to have a strong senior campaign and help his team win some games.

I hope I'm right, but if not I hope one of the other guys can step up and make some kicks for us. We desperately need our special teams to improve.

I agree with you. Frankly, if we have to go to one of the young guys, we are in BIG trouble, IMO.