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Artificial turf appears to be causing lymphoma and leukemia.

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Tatanka™, Oct 9, 2014.

  1. Tatanka™

    Tatanka™ Well-Known Member

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    You know those little rubber pellets you see fly up from artificial turf? Those are made from recycled tires. Tires are loaded with toxic substances such as benzene and lead.

    How Safe Is the Artificial Turf Your Child Plays On?

    Scientific studies need to be done, but the anecdotal evidence is strong. I'm sure the IPF will have those rubber pellets. Scary stuff!

    The EPA would never allow these substances in toys. It's crazy that they are allowed on the fields and playgrounds on which our kids play.
     
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  2. DBT

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    Hmm. Do the pellets get inhaled or something? Or is it from abrasions and getting into the blood stream? I have a hard time accepting that a fairly short term exposure could lead to cancer. Someone ought to see if they can find Materials Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) for this stuff.
     
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  3. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Did you read the OP?
     
  4. DBT

    DBT Club Member Club Member

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    My bad. Off gassing. That is scary. So, wouldn't you expect people like tire plant workers to have high rates of illness then? Need to check all of the data. Including the installers.
     
  5. goalline

    goalline Club Member Club Member

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    I think the biggest concern would be indoor facilities because any out-gassing that is occurring would have trouble dispersing. It should be straight forward to go measure the concentrations on some fields. The quotes you provide don't give any particular insight into why goalies would be particularly susceptible and we are also exposed to many of these same compounds in other ways. (Just go into your garage the day after putting new tires on your car for example). I guess it would be interesting to see the Connecticut study and any other similar ones. I'm curious because I've spent a fair amount of time on these fields myself.
     
  6. Tatanka™

    Tatanka™ Well-Known Member

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    I didn't want to quote the entire article. It speculates that it is because goalies faces are constantly in the turf while diving at balls in practice. Abrasions on their legs and arms are also constantly rubbing into that stuff and they even get it in their mouths.
     
  7. Tatanka™

    Tatanka™ Well-Known Member

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    I'm sure they could easily come up with a non-toxic substitute, but recycled tires are cheaper so YAY PROFIT!!!:plot:
     
  8. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    CU should make ours out of hemp. Apparently, you can make just about anything out of that plant.
     
  9. ElCunado

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    I would say football players are at ground level and suffer abrasions at a much higher rate than a soccer goalie. Also more subjects. It would be interesting to see a study using players in the state of Texas. Higher temps will lead to more off gassing.
     
  10. Tatanka™

    Tatanka™ Well-Known Member

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    No way. During a games? Debatable. But goalies are constantly diving at balls in practice drills.

     
  11. Burrito Palazzo

    Burrito Palazzo huff my smug Club Member

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    Plus all the flopping.
     
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  12. goalline

    goalline Club Member Club Member

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    Thanks for the extra info Tatanka.

    We get the pellets all over the hall where we keep our gear too. It looks like a 100 mice have been through.
     
  13. GregInArlington

    GregInArlington Well-Known Member

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    Our background VOC's are higher in Texas than anything the field could off-gas. Plus if these are recycled tires they are already many years old so I don't think the gas would be a huge concern. And if tires were the problem, everyone at Discount Tire would be on chemo.

    Probably has more to do with the magic spray that turns a fake broken leg into a goal.
     
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  15. Tatanka™

    Tatanka™ Well-Known Member

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    Wrong. Some of the VOCs would have off-gassed, but more are released as the rubber bakes in the sun year after year.

    Just because it's not in the news every day doesn't mean there aren't health problems for tire workers. I get a headache just from being in a tire store for half an hour. I did a Google search on "long term exposure to tires" and came up with these studies that looked at the effects on heart disease and bladder cancer for tire factory workers.

    http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/pgms/worknotify/CarbonDisulfide.html

    http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/pgms/worknotify/O-toluidine.html

    Here is a study that said the carbon nanotubes that are in some tires are as dangerous to inhale as asbestos.

    Study Says Carbon Nanotubes as Dangerous as Asbestos

    Another substance found in tires is black carbon. Here's a study that says black carbon causes neurodegeneration.

    http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/167/3/280.full

    I found a Washington State study that looked at tire rubber used as landscaping, but her findings are relevant to artificial turf as well.

    The Myth of Rubberized Landscapes
    Linda Chalker-Scott, Ph.D., Extension Horticulturist and Associate Professor, Puyallup Research and Extension Center, Washington State University


    I found all that in just a couple of minutes of searching. I'm sure I could find a lot more.

    But the Field Turf people say it's perfectly safe so we shouldn't worry. Right? Right? :rolling_eyes:
     
  16. Tatanka™

    Tatanka™ Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, and the tobacco companies hit us with this for years.
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    From the Wikipedia page on asbestos:
     
  17. FChairbanks

    FChairbanks muthaka slayer Club Member

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    the thing that confuses me a bit about the response from the STC people is this statement

    does that mean that the "adverse cancer health effects" are quantified at a different risk level than "low"?
     
  18. GregInArlington

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    You can't blame cancer on a field. There are so many variables to cancer, you can't possibly blame it on some rubber which is made of the same thing you are made of, Carbon, Hydrogen, and Oxygen. I'm thinking you must have a special interest in this case and are trying to raise support. How are the rubbers and plastics on a field any different than what you come in contact with every day? You breathe in so much more benzene gassing up your car than being on a field. More soccer player crying. Maybe it's the rubber gloves, the rubber shoes, the rubber ball?

    Lymphoma affects 1 in 50 people. There are at least 10s of thousands of female soccer players in Washington. So some of them played on field turf a few times.

    It is an illogical argument to link cancer to field turf based on a few players getting cancer. It could be from anything, including genetics.
     
  19. FChairbanks

    FChairbanks muthaka slayer Club Member

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    you lost credibility with that statement...sorry dudehead
     
  20. Tatanka™

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    It means that response was carefully crafted by lawyers. Clearly there is already a mountain of research on the dangerous substances in tires. There just hasn't been enough study on in the specific use cases of playgrounds and fields. As if that should matter. They know what will be found. If they reverse course and switch to a safe alternative now it will be seen as an admission of guilt. Let's face it. All most corporations care about is short term profits. If they can deny, delay and obfuscate for a decade or two they will. See: tobacco, asbestos and many others.
     
  21. Tatanka™

    Tatanka™ Well-Known Member

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    Never mind the mountain of links I provided including CDC studies at a tire plant that CLEARLY show elevated cancer rates. This guy has decided that tire rubber can't possibly cause cancer because reasons. Case closed!
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    And no, rubber gloves and soccer balls do not contain the long list of carcinogens and other toxins that are in tire rubber.
    [​IMG]
     
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  22. patebuff

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    I have a little bit of experience here.

    Lead and staph infection issues have come up in the past, with synthetic turf. You would have to eat 20 pounds of rubber, per day, for several weeks, to actually be over the appropriate level of lead. The staph infection studies actually showed that natural grass showed a higher risk for staph infections.

    The original article even says that it has shown no link to cancer. In the end there isn't enough facts to prove that synthetic turf fields can cause cancer. I'm honestly not sure that you could prove it either way, actually. Do agree that more research is always needed, with anything. Safety is always a priority and more could always be done.

    I suggest going to the website below, which outlines all of the safety concerns and data collected for safety issues with synthetic turf. Also, not sure the title of the article is appropriate.

    http://www.stma.org/health-safety
     
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  23. L Buff

    L Buff Commissar of the Albuffs Collective Left Club Member

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    It's one of two of God's ways of saying He loves us.


    The other being beer.
     
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    Fields made of beer..... I think you are on to something!
     
  25. Buffskier

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    We've got nothing to worry about because everyone is going to get ebola way before we get cancer from little black rubber pellets.... duh...
     
  26. FChairbanks

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    So I can stop worrying?
     
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    He said "rubbers on the field!" :rofl2:
     
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    :lol:
     
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    Welp.. that sucks because I worked at the Boulder Discount Tire during college.
     
  30. goalline

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    It's okay if you didn't inhale.
     

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