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BCS Standings

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  1. MiamiBuffs

    MiamiBuffs Wᴉɐɯᴉ qnɟɟs Club Member

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    Looks a lot like we will have a two loss team in the mNC game. Probably OSU and UGa if the points dont change. VT would have to go from .78 to .828 to pass UGa.

    Hawaii will at least change positions with BC and move to 11. KU or MU will be ranked higher but only one will get an at large bid. At .58 they need to move to .619 to get past Florida and into the 10th spot. That was a dramatic comeback win but it might not be enough. Given that these smaller conferences are now supposed to be "included" it'd be a travesty to leave Hawaii out of it since they are undefeated though it looks for sure that they are in.

    Red teams lost
    Green teams won
    Underlined Teams clinched a BCS birth by being Conf Champion

    TEAM RK PTS % RK PTS % A&H RB CM KM JS PW % COMP AVG BCS AVG PRVS
    1 Missouri 1 2779 .9751 2 1454 .9693 25 23 24 25 25 25 .990 1 .9781 4 Lost to Oklahoma
    2 West Virginia 2 2753 .9660 1 1467 .9780 24 25 25 24 24 24 .970 2 .9713 3 Lost to Pitt

    3 Ohio State 3 2638 .9256 3 1383 .9220 23 24 23 22 21 23 .910 3 .9192 5 Idle
    4 Georgia 4 2368 .8309 4 1232 .8213 21 17 22 23 20 20 .830 5 .8274 7 Idle
    5 Kansas 6 2170 .7614 T-5 1161 .7740 22 22 16 19 23 21 .840 4 .7918 2 Idle
    6 Virginia Tech 7 2164 .7593 T-5 1161 .7740 17 19 19 21 22 22 .810 6 .7811 8 Defeated Boston College
    7 LSU 5 2215 .7772 7 1134 .7560 20 21 21 20 18 18 .790 7 .7744 1 Defeated Tenn
    8 USC 9 2059 .7225 9 1073 .7153 18 20 13 14 16 16 .640 T-10 .6926 11 Defeated UCLA
    9 Oklahoma 8 2132 .7481 8 1126 .7507 14 10 15 13 13 17 .550 12 .6829 10 Defeated Mizzou

    10 Florida 11 1757 .6165 11 898 .5987 15 15 18 17 17 14 .640 T-10 .6184 12 Idle
    11 Boston College 12 1587 .5568 12 861 .5740 16 14 20 18 19 18 .720 8 .6169 14 Lost to VT
    12 Hawaii 10 1829 .6418 10 958 .6387 9 16 8 11 15 12 .470 14 .5835 15 Defeated Washington
    13 Arizona State 13 1446 .5074 13 756 .5040 19 18 17 16 14 15 .660 9 .5571 6 Defeated Arizona

    14 Tennessee 15 1249 .4382 15 654 .4360 12 9 14 15 12 13 .510 13 .4614 18 Lost to LSU
    15 Illinois 14 1254 .4400 14 674 .4493 11 13 7 9 8 9 .370 17 .4198 17 Idle
    16 Clemson 18 897 .3147 17 469 .3127 7 3 10 12 11 10 .380 16 .3358 22 Idle
     
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  2. BuffThat

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    Here's the projected Top 10

    1. Ohio State, 11-1*
    2. LSU, 11-2*
    3. Virginia Tech, 11-2*
    4. Oklahoma, 11-2*
    5. Georgia, 10-2*
    6. Missouri, 11-2
    7. USC, 10-2*
    8. Kansas, 11-1*
    9. West Virginia, 10-2*
    10. Florida, 9-3

    Hawaii will end up as an automatic selection and Illinois and Az State will both be eligible.

    With these projections my bowl picks would be:


    Championship: Ohio State vs LSU
    Rose: USC vs Missoui
    Fiesta: Oklahoma vs Arizona State
    Sugar: Georgia vs Hawaii
    Orange: Va Tech vs WVU

    I think there is a VERY good chance though that the Rose uses it's first at-large pick to take Illinois to keep the whole B10 v P10 thing, which would leave the B12 as the odd conference out (with only 1 team).
     
  3. Junction

    Junction Moderator Club Member

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    I agree that the Rose will probably use their pick to keep the Big 10/Pac 10 matchup. But that should leave ASU out and the Pac 10 as the conference with only 1 team. ASU will not rank anywhere near as high as either Mizzou or KU...
     
  4. BuffThat

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    The Fiesta won't match Oklahoma vs KU/Mizzou.
     
  5. MiamiBuffs

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    Jumping LSU over the other team is a bit repugnant and should lead to an outcry with UGa and KU being ahead of them along with VT which also won its CCG.

    Didn't know the Rose picked first. I'd have guessed that is where Hawaii would go.

    A friend of my dad is on the Orange Bowl Committee. Inside information has them in love with KU. They were very impressed with their road attendance this year. wink. wink.
     
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    Probably where Hawaii will end up then.
     
  7. Junction

    Junction Moderator Club Member

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    LSU also won their CCG, and beat Va. Tech 48-7 this season. I have no problem with them jumping over Va. Tech. They also have the same number of losses as Georgia, and the conference championship of Georgia's conference. No problem with them jumping Georgia.

    I have no direct comparison for KU, but given the fact that KU didn't even make their CCG, I don't have any problem with the SEC champ jumping them either...
     
  8. BuffThat

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    The selection order is:
    Replace #1 team
    Replace #2 team
    Orange
    Fiesta
    Sugar

    Since Ohio State will be #1 the Rose gets to pick first to replace them. If LSU is indeed second the Sugar gets the second pick, then the Orange, Fiesta, and the Sugar. Since the Sugar has last pick, that's where Hawaii will end up.

    The Sugar will likely want a strong fan base / Southern team to replace LSU since Hawaii won't travel too well and UGa fits that bill. The Orange will pit WV vs VT which is a rivalry with two fairly strong traveling bases. The Fiesta already has Oklahoma so they won't take KU or Mizzou, they could take Florida or they could take ASU and guarantee themselves a sellout.
     
  9. Junction

    Junction Moderator Club Member

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    Not OU/Mizzou. But OU and KU haven't met this year - I wouldn't be surprised to see them make that matchup at all, especially given the huge advantage KU has over ASU in the BCS rankings.

    If Mizzou beats out KU, the Sugar could always match them with Georgia and the Fiesta could match Hawaii with OU. If ASU gets a BCS bid over two much higher ranked Big XII teams, the BCS is a total and complete charade.
     
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    Da rules...

    http://www.bcsfootball.org/bcsfb/eligibility

    It could Go Rose (lost tOSU for sure), Sugar (Could Lose LSU), Orange, Fiesta, Sugar
     
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  11. BuffThat

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    It has nothing to do with the BCS, it is up to the bowls independently to do what they want, they don't care about rankings. They care about ticket sales.
     
  12. Junction

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    I agree with you right down to the Fiesta. They can't take Florida, since the SEC would already have two teams in the BCS (LSU and Georgia) and that is the limit. And there is no reason not to match KU with OU, since they haven't played this year. I don't think a BCS bowl, especially one that hasn't lost a team to the MNC game, can just throw the BCS rankings out the window and randomly bring a much lower ranked team into the BCS over a much more highly ranked team.
     
  13. BuffThat

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    You're right about UF, forgot (damn staying up 'til 3am).

    They can bring in anyone who's eligible to be selected. Hawaii, Kansas, Missouri, Arizona State (assuming Illinois is the Rose Bowl's pick and WVU is the Orange Bowl's pick).
     
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    Orange bowl Committee is really high on KU and they pick after the clean up brackets.
     
  15. BuffThat

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    If KU or Mizzou was top 4, they couldn't be passed over for a lower ranked team, but outside the top 4 any at-large can be selected over another, regardless of ranking.
     
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    WVU has been told they'll go to the Orange Bowl unless the Sugar takes them as the replacement for LSU.
     
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    1. Rose - USC v At Large
    2. Orange - VT v At Large (or At Large v At Large unlikely)
    3. Fiesta - OU v At Large
    4. Sugar - LSU v At Large or At Large v At Large (likely)

    Projected top 10
    1. Ohio State, 11-1*
    2. LSU, 11-2*
    3. Virginia Tech, 11-2*
    4. Oklahoma, 11-2*
    5. Georgia, 10-2*
    6. Missouri, 11-2
    7. USC, 10-2*
    8. Kansas, 11-1*
    9. West Virginia, 10-2*
    10. Florida, 9-3

    Any way you slice it the top 4 will be spoken for unless that order above is wrong and KU or MU or UGA are still in the top 4 but not in the mNC game. What the Rosebowl then have to take one of those three?
     
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    is lsu/osu a done deal then?
     
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    You got a link to that? Im telling you my dad heard that from an Orange Jacket in person about two weeks ago. They were hopeful KU would somehow be available.

    The logic is that a team that has not been to a New Years bowl at all or in a relly long time will probably travel pretty well.
     
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    I would think so assuming they are 1 and 2 today. I don't see any of the other teams jumping over them.

    EDIT: never mind. I just looked at the standings. Will LSU jump that far?
     
  21. BuffThat

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    The Rose Bowl, with their first pick can take anyone of the at-large schools (sans Florida and Georgia). So they could take Missouri, Kansas, WVU, Florida, Illinois, Arizona State, or Hawaii. The general consensus is they'll take Illinois to keep tradition alive.

    Then the pick goes to the Sugar, they can take any of the available at larges left Georgia, Missouri, Kansas, WVU, Florida, Arizona State, or Hawaii. They'll likely take UGa to keep tradition alive and sell tickets.

    Then the pick goes to the Orange, they can take any of the available at larges left (Florida's been eliminated) so Missouri, Kansas, WVU, Arizona State, or Hawaii. They've told WVU they want to pit them against their rival Va Tech and they'll likely sellout with that matchup.

    Then the pick goes to the Fiesta, they can take any of the available at larges left Missouri, Kansas, Arizona State, or Hawaii. They won't want Hawaii after getting stuck with Boise last year, they won't rematch Mizzou vs Okla, so it'll be down to KU and ASU. I can really see them taking either school.

    Then the pick goes to the Sugar where they're required to take Hawaii.
     
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    Looking at the selection rules

    it looks like they do have the ability to select any team eligible as an at-large, regardless of ranking. In other words, the at-large provisions are a complete charade. There is virtually no difference between that system and the old pre-BCS system.

    Assuming OSU and LSU end up #1 and #2, Georgia presumably would move up one spot to #3, which would make them an automatic qualifier, and take the automatic bid for the #4 team off the table. And unless Hawaii somehow drops below #12, they would also be an automatic qualifier. That makes 8 automatic qualifiers and 2 at-large spots.

    Then the bowls would pick in this order:

    #1 Rose: Illinois vs. USC
    #2 Sugar: Georgia vs. #5 pick
    #3 Orange: WVU (or KU) vs. Va Tech
    #4 Fiesta: KU or ASU (or Hawaii) vs. Oklahoma
    #5 Sugar: Georgia vs. Hawaii

    And based on that it looks like Mizzou is screwed, since the Fiesta won't take them, assuming Miami is right that the Orange likes KU if they don't take WVU as most people assume. And the Big XII could be screwed if the Fiesta takes the easy ticket sales by taking ASU. And that would be an absolute joke - two teams from outside the top 10 get at-large berths while two Big XII teams in the top 10 would be left out. If they want to stick with this pathetic system, they have got to protect the higher ranked at-large teams better instead of continuing to kiss the asses of the bowl committees... :huh:
     
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    www.dailymail.com there's a few articles about the Pitt/WVU game last night and only mentions the Orange Bowl. One of my friends from back home is a huge WVU fan (he gives a sh!tload of money to the fb program, his son has Coach Rod's office named for him), he made reservations for Miami this morning, had to cancel his NOLA ones.
     
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    Am I an the only one who doesn't give a **** who plays in the mnc game ? It just seems so pointless this year.
     
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    No. Uga, VT and KU would have to get screwed first as they were ahead in the rankings of last week. The computers are based on stats so they probably will not move much. The USA Today media homers will probably try the LSU power play. Thus we have Terry Bradshaw and the other Harris Pollsters to try and save the day. :smile2:

    We'll find out in the next 24 hours.

     
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    I don't see how UGA, VT, or KU would be getting screwed if LSU jumped them.
     
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    nor do i.
     
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    If KU gets into that game and wins a National Championship after playing that schedule and beating a mediocre OSU team I'll ****. :sad2:


    OK, I guess I do care :lol: :lol:
     
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    How does KU drop from 5 to 8 in that scenario without playing a game? Does Mizzou losing the CCG hurt their SOS that badly?? :confused: Same question with Georgia - do they drop from 4 to 5 because of the UT loss, even though they pass 2 teams that were ahead of them?

    That projection jumps OU from 9 to 4 and Va Tech from 6 to 3, in addition to LSU going from 5 to 2. I can see the voters changing things enough to move LSU ahead of Georgia and KU, but I would be really surprised if OU (especially) and Va Tech make those kinds of moves... :wow:
     
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    LSU should be ahead of UGa, KU, and VT. OU should be ahead of Mizzou, KU, and maybe VT. The vote between VT and OU will be very close.

    The main reason they'll jump them is they're conference champs, while KU and UGa weren't' even divisional champs in their conference.
     

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