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Better job: USC or Miami?

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Buffnik, Oct 30, 2015.

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Better HC job?

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  1. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    TimmyDUBs Dirty haole Club Member

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    It was my impression that SC is one of the top three or so jobs in the country. Is Miami even close?
     
  4. Gary Indiana

    Gary Indiana Club Member Club Member

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    USC and it's not even close.
     
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    Gramburglar Literally has hundreds of dollars Club Member

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    SC, Miami isn't even close
     
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    Gramburglar Literally has hundreds of dollars Club Member

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    dammit Gary
     
  7. Bufffan68

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    Gotta agree..USC...Miami isn't even in the same league.
     
  8. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    USC is the name program in a fast-growing western US. Miami has more competition in the southeast.
     
  9. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Recruiting Grounds: even with maybe a slight advantage for Miami
    Tradition: long-term advantage to USC, advantage for Miami over past 30 years, advantage USC in last dozen
    Facilities/Resources: advantage to USC
    Path to Title: advantage Miami (ACC schedule vs 9-game Pac-12 + Notre Dame schedule)

    I don't see this as lopsided at all.
     
  10. onealcd

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    Fan support, heavy advantage to USC. This is where I would give them an edge. Better school academically as well.
     
  11. bombay

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    Southern Cal, and yeah, it isn't close. Miami has admin, facility, and stadium problems out the wazoo.

    Miami does sit on the most concentrated collection of talent in the country.
     
  12. absinthe

    absinthe Ambitious but rubbish. Club Member Junta Member

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    Its really one small window where miami was the better team.

    where would you define the recruiting grounds?
     
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    buffedup Cooler than a Popsicle Stand. Club Member

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    Strictly from a W/L vantage I think you could argue Miami. Recruiting availability is about even and Miami has a much easier path to championships in the weak ACC then SC does in the Pac 12.
     
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    U$C like, totally Dude
     
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    This is a real question? Maybe 20 years ago Miami was close, but not anymore. Miami can compete with the fertile recruiting grounds they have in their back yard, but everything else isn't even close to me.
     
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    To me the recruiting grounds are a wash. Either program can recruit National Championship talent. USC has more resources by an order of magnitude that is the main difference.
     
  18. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    5 national titles in 19 years from 1983-2001. I wouldn't call that a short window since it's pretty much half of modern college football (post de-segregation). Plus a number of other times they were in the hunt.

    For recruiting grounds, Miami generally owns South Florida, picks some other guys from up the coast and has been able to go nationally for a few guys they may target. USC has pretty much the same situation in LA/OC and surrounding areas and then go nationally a bit more. If you look at current Rivals class ranks on Rivals, Miami is at #9 with only 1/20 guys from outside FL (a MD DE) while USC's 14th with 9/14 guys from CA. That's why I said a slight edge to Miami -- they get 90% of their recruiting done within a 3-hour drive of campus to be elite.
     
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    The crazy thing about Miami is that all of the kids in that area want to be canes too. It's not like other areas where there are multiple allegiances across the city.
     
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    I ****ing hate USC more than any team in our conference.

    Having said that.

    Is this a serious ****ing question?

    Only a Miami homer would ask that.
     
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    Yeah. They have the locals on lockdown pretty much. Their stadium issue is probably their biggest problem - 40 miles from campus, and empty. Donna Shalala (sp) being university president isn't helping, either. Their version of Betsy.
     
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    I think that it comes down to money. I was listening to the radio here in Atlanta and they were saying that if Miami did a great job getting money together for a coach, they could be about 3mil/year.
     
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    This. Miami's only a decent job because they cheat at all costs. They've only ever been good during times where they've cheated heavily. They've also got a good recruiting ground, but their support and fan base sucks.
     
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    Miami isn't even the best HC job in the state of Florida. Miami is the example of cheating and only inept NCAA investigators saved the school from sanctions. Every time Miami has been relevant in the football world has followed by investigations into grade fixing, paying players, hookers, blow and punishment.
     
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    Trying to figure out which job is best in the state of Florida is nearly impossible. All three can get on a roll and win championships. All three have their advantages and disadvantages. Miami seems to have lost their status but could easily be brought back. Would it surprise anyone if Miami hired a good coach and was back in the top 5 in two years? Wouldn't surprise me. Would it surprise anyone if they remained where they are for the next couple years? Probably not.
     
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    After they become a top 5 would you be surprised when the NCAA announces that they are investigating the school?
     
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    USC and its it even close.

    Honestly, USC is in a group that includes Texas, ND, Michigan and Ohio State... And maybe Alabama. Miami is in a group that includes schools like Tennessee, Penn St, Oklahoma, LSU, and about 20 other schools.
     
  28. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Texas with its 4 claimed national titles -- 1 after 1970 when things became fully desegregated?
    Notre Dame with its 11 -- 3 after 1970?
    Michigan with its 11 -- 1 after 1970 (1948 is most recent before the 1997 one)?
    Ohio State with its 8 -- 2 after 1970

    Oklahoma is above Texas, fwiw, and with its 7 -- 3 after 1970?

    Miami has 5, folks -- all from 1983 onward.
     
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    None of that makes any difference. Miami isn't even in the same conversation with a school like USC.

    Miami is like UConn in hoops. Recent success, and can compete with the elite blue bloods, but isn't one of them.
     
  30. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    You don't consider UConn an elite basketball program? o_O

    For the record, we're not discussing which is the better job in 1966.
     

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