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Big 12 - 2010 projections

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Selous, Apr 1, 2010.

  1. Selous

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    North

    Mizzou - good qb, a few stars
    Corn - solid defense, no significant offense

    the 4 step children in no particular order, all with a variety of shortcomings and lack of depth


    South

    Texas - tons of talent at every position
    Swooners - avoids weird injury bug, but thinner talent than usual
    Ttech-Agroids-OkieLite - 6-7win teams
    Baylor - not enough players or depth anywhere


    Big 12 Champs - Hornz in a BCS game, odds against NC game, but they have more talent than almost any team out there
     
  2. ScottyBuff

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    not sure what the "projection" is here aside from Hornz in the BCS?

    If I had to pick the two Big 12 CCG teams, I would say Nebraska-Oklahoma. I think Landry Jones can do more than Garrett Gilbert in their first "full" seasons.

    Hate to pick the Nubs, but Mizzou doesn't inspire much faith either.
     
  3. Selous

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    the Corn wont be as good in DL, particularly.................and offense will still suck big time..............the power I is not gonna win big games for them and especially when there is a drop off in thier defense

    The north may be like last few years............chaos with no clear-cut frontrunner



     
  4. BuffSurveyor

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    You might be right but,

    I say: Remember this post when December 1st 2010 rolls around. One of us is going to be very happy and the other.......we'll just have to wait and see.
     
  5. walk

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    North:
    1. Nebraska (I think they'll be a lot better next year. Only lost a few starters adn were banged up last yearstarters)
    2. Missouri (Little worse than last year. Lose leader of defense and Alexander)
    3. K-State (Lose WRs but best RB in big 12 returns)
    4. Colorado (Better than last year, but we'll miss Geer, Smart and Burney more than we expect)
    5. Kansas (Lost best 3)
    6. I-State (same)

    South:
    1. Oklahoma (Undeafted)
    2. Texas
    3. Texas A&M
    4. Texas Tech
    5. OSU
    6. Baylor
     
  6. Clean Undies

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  7. Coloradosker

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    North:

    1. Nebraska- Lose some serious talent on the DL, but will make up for it in the secondary. Offense has no where to go but up and it sounds like the coaches are finally playing with a healthy team and playing to their strengths. Schedule heavily favors them as well with MU/CU/KU/UT all at home.
    2. Mizzery- Losing Weatherspoon and Alexander will hurt but they have some good young talent. Washington is a dead fish and they need to find someone better at RB and also a deep threat at WR. The spread is dying and they don't have the athletes to do what they did with Booger and Maclin.
    3. KSU- The Kitties need to find a QB but their RB is solid and they should win all the games they're favored in. They won't be pulling any upsets, but neither will they be dropping games they shouldn't.
    4. ISU- Rhodes has brought a new attitude to this team and a toughness we haven't seen out of ISU in quite some time. Arnaud and Robinson are a lethal combo and ISU will win some games they shouldn't.
    5. CU- Still need to find an offensive identity and a coach who has a clue as to what he's doing. Cody needs to be done with his college career for good. The offense was starting to come around at the end of last season and if that can continue, they will have success. CU has the horses up front to run the ball and they need to commit to that while sprinkling in some PA to the TE's. They don't have the wideouts to rely heavily on the pass. Defensively, they need some leaders to step up, starting with the DL.
    6. KU- Losing the big three and Sharp combined with a complete coaching overhaul means this is going to be a bad year in Lawrence. I'd be surprised if they win a single game in the North.

    South

    1. OU- The stache brings a year of experience to the table. While I'm still not sold on Murray being a great back, he is serviceable and their WR's are excellent. The defense should fill most of the holes nicely and keep them in most games.
    2. TT- No team brings back more experience than TT and with two very good QB's, their offense will be dangerous again. If Tubberville can bring some of that tough defense mentality from the SEC, TT should be a contender.
    3. UT- Tons of talent, very little experience. QB and top WR gone, and now Mack says they are going to change the offense and rely on the running game. Their running game was pathetic last season, no reason to think it will be much better. It's not a lack of skilled running backs, it's the OL. Defensively, they lost all of their top talent. Very hard to replace that kind of production from 5 starters.
    4. aTm- Really, really like this young team from an offensive standpoint. They have a great QB in Johnson and are loaded with explosive talent at the skill positions. However, defensively they suck. This will cause them to lose too many this season.
    5. Baylor- Huge question mark as to whether or not Griffin returns 100% healthy. They have a decent core of talent, especially at WR, but they have to replace two very important players on D. Still, look for them to pull and upset somewhere along the way.
    6. OSU- I like Gundy, but they are losing all of their offensive talent, and their best defensive player, Cox. Buff fans saw first-hand what losing a player like Robinson does to that team. They just don't have the players to have a good year.


    So, OU/NU for the title. NU cannot rely on Stache to throw another 6 int's to help them win. Conversely, Nebraska should be better on offense than what they put on the field last season. Should be a good game.
     
  8. bombay

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    Anyone else hear that Miles has one more year to get LSU back to a BCS game, and failing that, Pelini is next in line?
     
  9. TheEvilBeak

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    You clearly have no idea about anything related to Nebraska Football.
     
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    Thank God you're here!
     
  11. Selous

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    I know this - the Corn wont beat Texas this year.............your talent level does not begin to compare, and Texas is a very very good road team.

    And they will have more than enough motivation from a mediocre preformance in last years game, to handle Buckwalter or whomever, & that 3rd rate QB, and revamped lines.

    Your record against them since B12 was formed leaves much to be desired
     
  12. huskermike

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    I think Pelini's wife would have something to say about that . . .

    Plus, even if she didn't say anything I don't see him going back to LSU. The south is talent rich but Pelini has a far easier road to BCS games playing in the Big 12 North.
     
  13. BIGREDIOWAN

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    No, probably another B.S. internet rumor. Only way I ever see Pelini leaving voluntarily is if Ohio State comes calling.
     
  14. Coloradosker

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    I'm sure that you are one who predicted Tejas to win the Big XII title by thirty. You obviously know nothing about CFB if you think top talent alone can win. Just ask USC or OU about that. Revamped lines? Losing one starter on the offensive line is revamped? The two guys replacing starters on the DL have plenty of experience from last year as well. I'm not going to say anyone can replace Suh, but if you look at what Carl P. has done with the players in his two years so far, I think they'll be just fine. For example, go ahead and look at what Jared Crick was rated coming out of high school and realize that he was 1st team all-conference this season, AS A SOPHMORE. That's all coaching. Texas has our number, no doubt about that. However, they struggle mightily in Lincoln, often coming in with a much, much better team than Neb put on the field. Since the Big XII formed, Neb has lost to Texas in Lincoln by 4, 3, and 2 points. I wouldn't touch that line if I were you.
     
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    When Pelini took the job at nebraska I was still posting over on BZ, but I stated that I thought it was a good fit. But I also qualified that statement.

    Pelini is one of the three best defensive coordinators in the country, and possibly number one. nebraska was in need of defensive toughness, and fast. But Pelini brought in his brother for the job...somebody without much of a track record. I predicted that if Pelini concentrated on bringing up the defense where it needed to be, that in the short term the team might suffer. A HC job is very different than a coordinator job, and focusing on one side of the ball can have significant reprecussions on the other.

    I think I was partially right. I'll concede that Pelini got the huskers going a lot sooner than I thought he would. I visualized a four-year project. BUT...it's been all defense. And I believe that nebraska's D was pretty much the real deal last year, I didn't see much of a total team effort until the last two games. And again, it was mostly D (Arizona's D was that bad last season--odd from a Stoops team. Perhaps an example of an HC who didn't concentrate on his area of specialty?).

    So has Pelini forsaken his team by concentrating on defense almost exclusively? I need to see a lot more than a close loss to Tejas and solid outing against Arizona before I'm convinced that the huskers are back.
     
  16. Coloradosker

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    I was responding to Selous saying that there was no way NU beats UT next season and that NU's lines were being "revamped". Do I think Pelini has sacrificed the offense some to get the defense back? Absolutely. However, TO has stated that alone was the reason that Bo got the job instead of Turner. Fact is, having a great D kept them in every single game last season save TT. With even a mediocre offense they would've been 12-1, Big XII champs, and headed for the Fiesta Bowl. So the thought is, with Texas losing so many players, Nebraska returning so many with experience, and playing Texas in Lincoln, how could anyone say NU has no shot?
     
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    My line of reasoning was on topic. I don't see nebraska winning a lot of big time games until their team is more balanced. That was my point. Close games? Sure, a good defense will do that. And that's not to say that after close losses to Va. Tech and Texas last year, nebraska isn't overdue to pull one or two out. I didn't give the huskers much of a shot in the Big XII championship, and they surprised me. I don't give them much of a shot against Texas either. Texas has had their number since 96.

    And I expect that the husker's D-line will actually be a strength next year, and I believe that Bo gets the most out of his defensive players. But Suh was special. The D-line drops a notch without him in my opinion.
     
  18. Mick Ronson

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    i love this kind of reasoning. :rolling_eyes:

    you didn't have a mediocre offense. With millions of dollars, I could live in a villa on the Spanish mediterranean and bang supermodels.
     
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    I actually like that kind of reasoning without the rolling eyes. If CU pulled together mediocre special teams, we would have possibly won three or four more games.
     
  20. Mick Ronson

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    if you go to a ATM or KU board I'm sure they are saying, "if we didn't play our worst game of the year" or "choke in Boulder"....then we (CU) win 1 game. it goes both ways....which is what that kind of reasoning often forgets. and the forgetting is evident in the bugeater's post. if Sam Bradford doesn't get hurt (a lot more likely than NU having a mediocre O), then Landry Jones doesn't throw 6 INTs and OU beats NU by 2 scores in Lincoln. you can play the scenarios all day....but, it means nothing.
     
  21. Coloradosker

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    Please explain how I'm wrong. Lost to 4 teams. Texas by 1, VT by 1, ISU by 2, and TT by 21. Our offense wasn't mediocre, it was horrible. If it was mediocre, it would've scored a few more ppg, winning those games. Exactly what is wrong with the reasoning?
     
  22. 4DemBuffs

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    other than it coming from you?
     
  23. Mick Ronson

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    i don't see the efficacy of playing hypotheticals. "what if" until the cows come home, i don't care. like i say, even if OU has a "mediocre" PK, they win in Lincoln and your Big XII fantasy championship maybe doesn't happen. it's an infinite regression of variables. what's the point?

    you guys were lousy on offense. we were lousy all over the place. If Missouri could stop the run under Pinkel, then they probably win the Big XII in 07 and go undefeated into the BCS Championship game. but, they can't stop the run!
     
  24. Selous

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    Lets see......I joined a week or so ago.........tough to have been the one who predicted 30 point win 4 months ago - but hey, never let the obvious get in the way of a Bugeater..............nor did I ever say "TALENT ALONE" wins games ( although you chose to make an improper extrapolation to make your weak case )

    What you WILL find in college athletics is that usually, superior talent DOES win............and teams with superior talent usually show that with superior DEPTH. The Corns have very moderate depth, and maybe they finally began a recruitment process which will add to depth . Texas, and to a lesser extent, ZeroU, have by far had the upper hand in talent for this entire decade, and their records over this time have shown that.

    despite being an inferior team on the field, physically, the more recent Corn children have sometimes played above their head and won a few games and a moral victory or 2.

    What Cornheads cannot get thru their thick heads is that the days of Devaney & ozborne are over, and never coming back....................why do you think Tom split? or mcCartney ?........they saw the Big12 was forcing them to play WITHOUT " unlimited partial qualifiers"..........ykies ! no more unlimted thugs hoodlums and criminals from new jersey and LA..........ZeroU just made sure Big Red Auto was still paying the more marginal hoodlums to come to Norman, so they have kept up a facade and won .............Corn & Buffs will never win big in B12 since the UTexas-forced rules LIMITING your inner-city jail refugees to a even and manageable number
     
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    Miles is definitely in trouble at LSU. The Ole Miss debacle, and terrible play calling in the last 2 minutes of Penn State game. It wouldn't surprise me if Pelini ended up back there. LSU has plenty enough $ to buyout any contract. The fans really don't want to hear anymore of Miles bs. Sound familiar?
     
  26. Coloradosker

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    Good post and I agree with most of it, however, none of it addresses the things that you said in your original post. Namely, NU will not beat Texas because Texas has more talent and that NU's lines were being revamped. Having more talent does win the majority of the time. I would not argue that. However, you can't honestly tell me that you were impressed by all of USC's talent last season. That superior talent didn't do much when they were getting beat by the likes of AZ and Stanford at home, or Washington and Oregon on the road. Same can be said for OU getting beat by NU, Miami, BYU, and waxed by TT. They had more talent on their 2nd string than most of those teams had starting...yet they still lost. My problem is you making a general statement that because Texas has more talent on their team, NU has no shot at beating them in Lincoln next season. When I look at Texas I see a new QB, the loss of their ONLY reliable receiver from last season, a piss poor running game, and the loss of Kindle, Thomas, Muckelroy, Houston, and Brown on defense. Regardless of what kind of talent you're bringing in, experience is a huge part of success, and Texas will be lacking that. I guess the point is, I wouldn't chalk it up as an automatic win seeing as how history has shown that while Texas wins, Nebraska plays them very, very close, particularly in Lincoln.

    1996: 37-27 UT
    1998: 20-16 UT
    1999: 24-20 UT, 22-6 NU
    2002: 27-24 UT
    2003: 31-7 UT
    2006: 22-20 UT
    2007: 28-25 UT
    2009: 13-12 UT
     
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    Just to be clear: You're posting those scores as evidence of nebraska's chance of winning based on historical precedence?
     
  28. Coloradosker

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    Evidence that Texas doesn't win easily against NU, even when they are favored by 20+, especially in NE.
     
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    kNU without Suh... yaaaa you guys should be happy if you keep it within 2 touchdowns.
     
  30. Coloradosker

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    Go ahead and throw some cash down on that. See how it turns out for ya.
     

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