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Big 12 Coaching Payrolls

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  1. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Based on the data, I think the most pressing thing for Colorado to be more competitive is for Mike Bohn to find at least an additional $500,000 per year for out Assistant Coach salaries. Especially with 1-year contracts at CU, we need to be competitive with compensation. This, to me, is the single biggest thing we need to work on in the 2010 budget.

    On Head Coach salary, CU needs to be prepared to go up about $800,000 per year in order to be competitive with other salaries in the Big 12. That is, unless Coach Hawkins stays, in which case we're locked in for 2 more years. At some point, though, either we are going to replace Hawkins at a higher cost or he'll turn this around and get a new contract at a higher cost.

    Head Coaches

    1. $4,303,000 Oklahoma (Bob Stoops)
    2. $3,060,500 Texas (Mack Brown)
    3. $2,700,000 Texas Tech (Mike Leach)
    4. $2,525,000 Missouri (Gary Pinkel)
    5. $2,303,500 Kansas (Mike Mangino)
    6. $1,852,000 Nebraska (Bo Pelini)
    7. $1,850,000 Kansas State (Bill Snyder)
    8. $1,801,651 Texas A&M (Mike Sherman)
    9. $1,800,000 Oklahoma State (Mike Gundy)
    10. $1,000,570 Colorado (Dan Hawkins)
    11. $950,000 Iowa State (Paul Rhodes)
    12. $943,830* Baylor (Art Briles)

    Briles info from tax return so was calculated somewhat differently.

    Assistant Coaches

    1. $2,948,698 (Texas)
    2. $2,464,600 (Oklahoma)
    3. $2,164,020 (Missouri)
    4. $2,138,000 (Oklahoma State)
    5. $2,100,508 (Texas A&M)
    6. $1,934,160 (Nebraska)
    7. $1,913,300 (Texas Tech)
    8. $1,795,300 (Kansas)
    9. $1,735,000 (Kansas State)
    10. $1,515,950 (Colorado)
    11. $1,385,000 (Iowa State)
    12. N/A (Baylor)
     
  2. 96 Buff

    96 Buff Resident Commie Bastard Club Member Junta Member

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    Does that info include all possible incentives? I know that the CU coaches get a good bit of compensation from the Nike deal, and that's not salary paid directly from the AD.
     
  3. Dunken

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    Money does not lie, look at the top of the list at the teams that are competitive each yr.....maybe it would be cheaper for now to keep Hawkins, but find more money for better assistant..GO BUFFS!!!!!!!!!
     
  4. Kameltosis

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    Sweet....we both beat a 4 million dollar coach!

    And does Kansas' figure include all you can eat buffets?
     
  5. LaserDeathHawk

    LaserDeathHawk Club Member Club Member

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    At only $2.3M it can't.
     
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    :lol::lol::lol:

    I sometimes feel bad that a great coach like Mangino is reduced to the ridicule of fat jokes because of the way he looks, but ****...that's funny!
     
  7. dply

    dply Doble hoja Club Member

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    $2.3M is his butter budget alone.
     
  8. Ruckus

    Ruckus Peep my words. Club Member

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    You're mistaken. He makes milk and butter himself. Same with ham and bacon. If he could lay eggs, he would be the ultimate breakfast animal.
     
  9. Kameltosis

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    This "Headline" from the Daily Kansan cracks me up every time. I know it's been posted on Allbuffs before, but it was due for an encore.


    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Dec. 5, 2001[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Student excited dad got head job[/FONT]

    By Brent Briggeman
    Kansan sportswriter

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    Samantha Mangino opted for independence when she chose a college two years ago.
    With her family still living in Manhattan, but her father recently hired as an assistant coach at Oklahoma, the logical choices were Kansas State and Oklahoma. But Mangino wanted to get away from familiarity.
    “I wanted to be on my own and get the whole college experience,” said Mangino, a sophomore at Kansas and a student assistant in the Athletics Department media relations office. “Now I get the best of both worlds.”

    After she spent a year and a half away from home, Mangino´s parents are coming to her.
    Her father, Mark Mangino, was named as the 35th Kansas football coach yesterday. The rest of the family, including her 17-year-old brother, Tommy, and their mother, Mary Jane, plan to move to Lawrence immediately.
    Despite Mangino´s choice to move away from home two years ago, her father knew she wanted him to take the Kansas job.
    “I was excited to call her and tell her, and she was too,” said the new Kansas coach. “I think all along she wanted me to come here. She didn´t come out and say it, but quietly I know this is where she wanted me to end up.”
    Though Mangino had his own experiences when his teams played against Kansas in his 11 years in the Big 8 and Big 12 Conferences, he said his daughter´s praise of the University of Kansas helped him make up his mind.
    “One of the things that was considered when I was offered this position is, `What does my daughter think of the University of Kansas?´” he said. “It´s been a very positive experience for her and she´s been a great ambassador for the University.”
    Mangino struggled to hold back her emotions after yesterday´s press conference.
    “I got really teary-eyed because my dad is finally a head coach and I go to school here,” Mangino said as she wiped tears from her eyes. “It´s just a special time in our lives. I don´t think anyone will ever understand how cool it is. It´s overwhelming.”
    Al Bohl, Kansas athletics director, noted the new coach´s dedication to family as one of his attractive attributes.
    As for his daughter´s privacy, she said her parents assured her it wouldn´t be an issue.
    “I don´t know how excited she is, but I´m very excited,” Mary Jane Mangino said. “She said, `Mom, I have my life,´ but we do too.”
    Mangino said she would continue to work in the media relations office.
     
  11. SBG

    SBG Formerly known as EFNMB Club Member Junta Member

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    And to think that when Mac got his 1M/year contract in '91 or so he was the highest paid coach in the nation. Now there are plenty of >3M coaches and at places like Tennessee some of the assistants are getting as much as Hawk is getting.

    The disparity in the haves and have nots is getting much, much bigger.
     
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    The NCAA has expressed concerns about that and threatened to rein some of that in.
     
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    He's saying we need to add $800,000 more to the $1mil were paying Hawk.
     
  15. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    dply Doble hoja Club Member

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    Plus $1mill is a lot less money in Boulder than say any other city in the Big 12 sans Austin.
     
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    Which would explain, in part, why Hawk lives in Louisvillle.
     
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    How much does everybody pay to win? One thing is clear: OU is getting robbed!

    Cost/win Wins HC/Pay
    $860,600 5 $4,303,000 Oklahoma (Bob Stoops)
    $505,000 5 $2,525,000 Missouri (Gary Pinkel)
    $460,700 5 $2,303,500 Kansas (Mike Mangino)
    $450,000 6 $2,700,000 Texas Tech (Mike Leach)
    $360,330 5 $1,801,651 Texas A&M (Mike Sherman)
    $340,056 9 $3,060,500 Texas (Mack Brown)
    $333,523 3 $1,000,570 Colorado (Dan Hawkins)
    $308,667 6 $1,852,000 Nebraska (Bo Pelini)
    $308,333 6 $1,850,000 Kansas State (Bill Snyder)
    $257,143 7 $1,800,000 Oklahoma State (Mike Gundy)
    $235,958 4 $943,830 *Baylor (Art Briles)
    $190,000 5 $950,000 Iowa State (Paul Rhodes)
     
  20. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

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    Bob Stoops didn't walk into Norman and get a $4mil payday. He started in the $750k range. When they won the national championship in 2000 - he got a new contract. When Florida came calling a few years later, he got a new contract, etc.

    I don't have any problem paying a coach a good salary -- IF HE DELIVERS.
     
  21. Kameltosis

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    Yeah but you also have to have the duckets to pay them. I don't think Colorados bank roll could afford it...especially after the buy out you'll be doing on DH after this year.
     
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    Really?

    We paid Gary Barnett $3 million to leave.
    We're about to pay Dan Hawkins $3 million to leave.

    That doesn't include the salary Barnett/Hawkins were previously making.

    Keep that $6 mil and CU has another $1.5 mil to be spreading around to the head coach / assistant coach / etc.

    Again, I think CU could come up with a pretty decent payday for a WINNING coach. That doesn't mean they're going to ever reach the Bob Stoops / Mack Brown range. But I think a winning coach at CU could easily get a $2mil+ payday.
     
  23. MtnBuff

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    Stoops and Brown both make a lot of cash but they also make a lot of cash for their universities. Both schools spend a lot of time on national network broadcast including at least a couple of OOC games a year when they don't have to divide the money with the rest of the conference. Both teams go to major money bowls each year (BCS or higher paying non-BCS) and they get extra shares of those moneys. Both teams sell many more tickets at higher prices than they would if they were losing along with higher non-ticket revenues (parking, refreshment, soveneir, etc.) and there is a clear link between winning and donation revenue.

    We had the same situation here when Mac was winning and even into the Skippy era. If Hawk was winning now our revenues would be significantly higher and he would be able to justify a significant raise.

    Our overall situation including the size of the fan base, media competion in the market, etc. means we may never reach the revenues of a Texas, Oklahoma, or even Nebraska but winning and money are clearly connected.
     
  24. ScottyBuff

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    I'd rather we pay our coach in the $2 million to $2.5 million range but have ZERO buyout provisions. That way if he is successful, he gets paid what he deserves, but if he loses and we have to get rid of him, it doesn't kill the AD financially. Hawkins makes the "low end" salary in the Big XII scale but it is almost all 100% guaranteed in a buyout, that's B.S.

    What incentive does these buyout provisions provide for these coaches? Hawk has a mentality that he is locked in and can't do anything wrong and that we all just have to live with it, his contract breeds his arrogance about the situation and pisses the fans off. The contracts should be incentive-based, not loaded with guaranteed money that will set the program back if things don't go as hoped.

    Surely there is an overconfident young coach out there that firmly believes that he doesn't need a guaranteed buyout if he gets fired, because he KNOWS he will succeed and would rather gamble on making good money because he is successful, not because he leveraged a school into signing a buyout clause.

    Charlie Strong?
    Jon Embree?
    Ken Norton, Jr.?
     

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