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Big 12 predictions

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by edhookem, Aug 29, 2007.

  1. edhookem

    edhookem Member

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    Hopefully this hasn't been done on any other threads and if it has I apologize, but I wanted to get everyone's thoughts on where they rank the teams this year from top to bottom. I am trying to do this with my mind and not my heart which can be very difficult at times. However, here are my picks and the reasons for them.

    12. Kansas - They are a basketball school and this year is no different. Sure they may when a couple of games on gimmick plays, however, thier coach is the most likely coach to die during a game which would cause a complete tailspin (and probably renovation of the stadium where he plummets to the ground).

    11. Iowa State - In a few years they may win a few conference games but they have the odds against them. Recruiting against Iowa and the rest of the Big 12 does them no favors. They have a new head coach which will inspire them with new energy but this isn't Texas or Auburn and winning will not be easy.

    10. Baylor - Improved yes. Good no. Baylor will most likely win 2 Big 12 games this year. Which to them is a successful season. To the rest of the Big 12 it is successful as well. Watch out though Aggies, Baylor seems to have your number and you can bet I will be cheering for them on 9/29.

    9. Kansas State - I know some if not most people will pick K-State higher than I will. After all, they finished strong last year and beat my beloved Longhorns after Colt was knocked out of the game after the first series. However, Ron Prince is an idiot. Making your coaches run stairs and laps with the team is a move that can't even be pulled off in Pop Warner football. Prince will have a revolt on his hands after K-State gets bitch slapped in Auburn in week one. He will be the one running.

    8. Colorado - Improved from last season but still not over the new coach hump. I like what Hawkins stands for but it is tough to come in and immediately start winning without your own players. It is rarely done. However, there are a few coaches in the country who may be able to pull off such a feat. I would put Hawkins at or near the top of that list. Hawkins, has come in and gotten his players, coaches and fans to buy into his philosophy and that is a huge step in the right direction. Don't be surprised if Colorado ends up in the top 5 of the Big 12 this season and is a legit contender next year. Also, look for CU to be playing in a bowl game.

    7. Texas Tech - Same thing different verse. High powered offense, no defense, horrible coaching. Same result, 2nd tier team at best. Seven could in fact prove to be too high.

    6. Oklahoma State - There are lots of people picking Oklahoma State to be the surprise team in the Big 12 this year. I will be surprised if they are anywhere near the top of the conference this year. They still have to answer to Big brother Oklahoma and the Longhorns come to town this year and spot them 30 only to shut them out in the second half for a 56 to 30 win. At least that is what has happened pretty much every year here recently. Coaching is still a huge issue for Okie State and this year is no different.

    5. Texas A&M - Like Okie State some think the Aggies may rise and be a force in the Big 12 this year. Think again. The Aggies are only 5 on this list because the North has been down for a few years now. Don't be surprised if they post 6 losses this season. Yes they did beat Texas last year for the first time since 99. Look for the Longhorns to restore order this year in the state of Texas. I do have a blind hatred for this team so 5 is pretty much as high as I could put them. Coach Fran is gone after this year...although I hope they keep him.

    4. Missouri - I think the Tigers could have a decent year. However, not good enough to win the North. Look for this team to show promising signs only to be deflated on a cold Nov. day in Boulder where the Buffaloes will send their season into an unrecoverable tailspin.

    3. Nebraska - They win the Big 12 North and get punished in the Big 12 championship game. Look for the North to be more competitive next year and for the talent to level out. Nebraska, has some tough games early this year which will prove to help them out in the long run.

    2. Texas - You don't lose 3 All Americans from your offensive line and immediately recover from that hit. However, Texas has blue chip players ready to step in this year. I think it will be a learning process for the first few games and hopefully they will be a cohesive unit by the opening confernece game in late September. Texas also lost 2 All American defensive backs from an already weak secondary. I am pleased with the preseason 4th national ranking but it will be hard to obtain for an entire year. Colt McCoy, has been impressive in the spring and could be good enough to lead this team to a Conference title. Jamall Charles, has put on 10 pounds of muscle and will be the feature back this year. The Loghorns are also loaded at WR. Talent is not the problem, however, if this team wants to be a national contender, they will have to gel quickly. It all comes down to the annual Red River Rivalry TX/OU.

    1. Oklahoma - As much as I hate to admit it. OU is the most talented team in the Big 12 this year. They return a ton of starters and have a very talented backfield.(a freshman who is drawing immediate comparisons to Reggie Bush) The only question mark is QB. If the young QB can play pretty much mistake free as McCoy did last year at Texas then OU will have an excellent chance to win the Big 12 this year. They are also loaded with talent and with one of the best coaches in the country. Again, it all comes down to the TX/OU game.
     
  2. KingPants

    KingPants Club Member Club Member

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    Ed- mine are not much different.

    12- Iowa State - sucked last year, and have a new coach. By the way...reading the Texas boards there is not much nice said about Chzick (sp?). Is that sour grapes, or are people really not that high on him?

    11- Baylor - went 3-0 against the north, which says a lot about the north, but I still think that they have a long way to go.

    10- Kansas - basketball school. Mangino is fat.

    9- Colorado- I am really nervous about this year. If we beat CSU then move us up to 8 or 7. But I don't want to be too shattered if we have another tough year, so I will start us here.

    8- KSU- Hard to read these guys. Suprised last year, and have legit talent at QB, but they look ready for an implosion.

    7- aTm - Francione has to be looking for work after this year. They have all of the talent, but they are scared of Texas and OU.

    6- TT - the usual good but not great. I fear for CU when they play them...I think that revenge has to be on their mind.

    5- Mizzou - Great offense, constantly over-rated defense. They will go big on some teams, but they will loose some typical Pinkel games (ISU last year).

    4- Nubs- their fans think that they are back, they are not. They have recruited lights out, but they have not beat anyone of consequence since Michigan in a bowl game, and it was a bad Michigan team. They will go no higher then this until they prove they belong higher then this.

    3- Okie Lite- They are the souths version of Missouri, but I put them higher as I think that they will win at least 2 possibly all three games they play against the north. They are fun to watch.

    2- Texas- They will reload, but it all comes down to the RR shootout. Mack has to prove that he can win this thing without the best college QB in recent years on his team. He will have the better QB this year, so maybe this year he works the magic. I say here, he does not.

    1- OU - Could be just really good, or could be National Championship quality. It depends on what they get from the redshirt freshmen. They have all of the other pieces...but QB is a big one. I envy OU as our season could go anywhere from 3 wins to 8 depending on the play of our new QB...whereas theirs will probably only fluctuate from between 9 and 12.


    OU over Nubs in the championship game.
     
  3. Mick Ronson

    Mick Ronson Well-Known Member

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    12. ISU
    11. Baylor--South schedule just too much--must road win for the Buffs.
    10. KU--some cheap OOC wins, back to earth.
    9. KSU
    8. CU--season hinges on winning all 4 games against the previous 4--IMO. with a CSU and Miami (OH) win that's 6, bay-bee. sweep those 4 and we win at least 7, IMO.
    7/6. OSU/Tech too close to call--Harrell and Reid are dangerous but D is a ?.
    5. MU--until Pinkel does it, i'm not picking him to. "show me".
    4. loser of ATM NU game
    3. winner of ATM NU game--do or die Fran come against UT at Kyle. can't fire him after 2 in a row....too much talent and Goodson and McGee to really justify the salary if they don't at least *contend* for the South. need to finish higher than UT or OU "one of these years". Bugeaters need to beat one of the big boys...but ATM at home will at least show some gain against the South--also need to beat Okie State after last year's mauling in Stillwater.
    2. OU--OU gets MU, OSU, and ATM in Norman which is a big plus....but i don't know, something is missing on O with them (even with Peterson last year)--too much conservatism, no deep ball. and with a FR QB?

    1. UT--this with the codicil that i don't think anyone runs the conference table in the South...but a healthy McCoy and the freakish talent i say they represent the XII in one of the middle tier BCS bowls.
     
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  4. edhookem

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    I have nothing but good things to say about Chizik. I think he gave the Texas defense exactly what they needed when he came here which was a level of intensity that they had never really had before. He is one of the main reasons that we were able to win a NC. I think he may be a good candidate for a HC but it would be hard for anyone to win at ISU. I rarely hear anything bad from Texas fans about Chizik. Probably, just people who lack education that want something to bitch about....which I incidently do hear a lot of from Texas fans.
     
  5. Lord Helmet

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    Do you find Chizik move to ISU a head scratcher? Seems guy coulda landed a gig a la Randy Shannon at Miami. Both guys by all accounts were defensive wizards. What was the attraction to Ames? I dont get it. Seems like guy could have landed in a more friendly place for winning....
     
  6. Duff Man

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    Seems like an absolutely stupid move to me. My dad went to Iowa State for his undergrad and grew up in Iowa. He was absolutely baffled why Chizik would choose to take that job.
     
  7. Lord Helmet

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    Im glad someone else thinks that. Just seems like a real career threatening move for him. Oh well.
     
  8. edhookem

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    I don't get it either. I think he could have waited and found something better than ISU.
     
  9. Lord Helmet

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    Fair enough hookem. Just as always struck me as an odd move for him. Whatever...:huh:
     
  10. edhookem

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    I sure wish he would have stayed. After his tenure at Auburn and Texas I would think he would have been able to pick his spot in a couple of years. Oh well. If he does somehow bring ISU out of the woodwork it will be quite a feat. Maybe, he was thinking he wanted a challenge or that he really could'nt do any worse than anyone else who was there.
     
  11. Mick Ronson

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    i agree, what's he gonna do in the next couple years? win 7 games and move on. best case scenario. didn't make much sense from the "get-go".

    McCarney went to a few bowl games....got hosed on a bad call against Bama in some late game FG in the late 90's.

    weird move by Chizik, i agree. i can't see anyone who's had the success that CHizik has had sees ISU as a destination job.....and your chances of winning 4-5 games a year are pretty high (history shows us this).

    is McCarney or Jim Walden the best ISU coach ever? in the last 50 years?
     
  12. SJBuff

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    It could be a move similar to the one GB did going to Northwestern. If he can turn the program around and make them a serious contender then he will be in the mix for any big name program (bama, LSU, Auburn, FSU, Michigan, Notre dumb, etc.) job that opens up. In some ways it makes sense - the B12 north is down with the historical north powers struggling from a recent coaching change (buffs) or looking at a coaching change in a year or two (fuskers). I could see with great coaching ISU sneaking up on a weak conference and making a splash. If it pans out this could be a very shrewd move. I still think he could have done better than ISU.
     
  13. unbiasedtruth

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    I dont know the guy, but I feel Chizik wants to succeed at a high level as a HC somewhere where no else has before..... i.e Iowa State.
     
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    1. Texas - I give them the edge over OU because the Horns have an experienced QB and have a little more talent. UT will be pretty strong on offense with all their skill position players returning except Selvin Young. The South will come down to the OU-UT game, although I still see UT losing at A&M.

    2. OU - They're actually 1a, but they have the big question mark at QB. The loss of Peterson shouldn't be too big of a deal since he missed half of last season anyway. Best defense in the Big 12. They have the schedule advantage over UT and if they win that game I think they will run the table.

    3. Texas A&M - I've heard quite a few people tag this team as the Big 12 surprise team and I'd agree, but I think their tough conference road schedule will keep them from winning the South. Great offense and a solid D. If OU beats UT, then I'd say A&M will finish 2nd in the Big 12 since I'm picking A&M to beat UT in College Station.

    4. OSU - It seems to me that this team is being overlooked, particularly their offense, although I did see another post in here picking them 3rd. Problem is they're in the South and have 3 tough road games in conference. They could go 5-3 in conference and still finish 4th. This was one of only 2 teams to average 200 yards both rushing and passing last year, and the offense returns 8 starters including all statistical leaders. I'd say 8 or 9 wins for this team.

    5. Mizzou - Tough pick between them and Nebraska but with Chase Daniel and 2 quality TE's this offense should be potent, plus the NU game is in Columbia. Their D could be a big liability.

    6. Nebraska - How well Keller does will undoubtedly go a long way to determining how good this team is. One of the better D's in the Big 12. I'll pick them to go 7-5, but I could see them having anywhere from 6-9 wins.

    7. CU - These next 3 teams are pretty tough to put in order, so I'll just be biased and pick CU next. I think this offense will be very good if Cody doesn't make too many mistakes at critical times, and there's good depth at WR, RB, and TE. Defense should be solid but injuries on that side could really hurt. I'm saying 7-5 for CU.

    8. Texas Tech - Sure they have Graham Harrell but not much else and the D appears to be pretty weak. This is the year they drop down a notch.

    9. K-State - The main reason I put them this low is because of the recent turmoil. Freeman had a tough season but improved dramatically toward the end. I see 5 sure losses and there's likely to be 1 or 2 others.

    10. Kansas - Decent defense and they have 4 freebies in non-conference, so they probably end up with 6 or 7 wins.

    11. Iowa State - These last 2 teams were a toss-up for me, they're both gonna suck. Baylor and ISU don't play each other so they could both end up winless in the Big 12.

    12 - See ISU
     
  15. Waylon Van Smack

    Waylon Van Smack Well-Known Member

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    1) NU undefeated and bcs bound (until they get beat:thumbsup:)
    2) OU
    3) UT
    4) oSu
    5) Mizzu
    6-12 don't really matter.
     
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  16. Wyo Buff

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    Waylon. You are a prototypical, some would say stereotypical, child of the Corn. And a rather pleasant one as well. I also like your pictures.
     
  17. Waylon Van Smack

    Waylon Van Smack Well-Known Member

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    Its the time of year when you can afford to be optimistic. (and maybe not totally serious:smile2:)
     
  18. absinthe

    absinthe Ambitious but rubbish. Club Member Junta Member

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    enjoy it for the next 9 days.
     
  19. Kameltosis

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    Chill....Wake Forest has and always will be...wake forest
     
  20. absinthe

    absinthe Ambitious but rubbish. Club Member Junta Member

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    Your right, I am a moron, enjoy it for the next 16 days
     
  21. Kameltosis

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    Much better
     
  22. edhookem

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    Looks like Chizik's debut was not a good night.


    Kent State 23
    Iowa State 14


    KSU ran for 200 yards in Ames. Yikes.
     
  23. edhookem

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    ...and I'd like to flip-flop ISU and Baylor in my original post. :lol:
     
  25. unbiasedtruth

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    hey ed.... "this kid" was 21 of 23 for 360 yards and change, a couple of tds, not ints, this past saturday in 30 minutes and one series.... and the team looked totally doomed..... :lol:

    hurry up Oct 6th, should be a fun game to watch.....:thumbsup:
     
  26. edhookem

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    Your team looked good. Even better than the QB was the RB. Anyway, it was against a new coach and a new North Texas team. Let's let Miami be a better gauge for you.

    We STRUGGLED Saturday. We better get a lot better this week or we will lose to TCU.
     
  27. unbiasedtruth

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    ok week 2 update, Sam leads the nation in pass efficency, 8 TDs, no ints, after 2 games and only 6 incompletions, of which 3 were drops. this weeks camp award winner..... defense looked good too, couple of blown assignments, but they shut dow a very powerful running game.


    took texas a while to wake up this season, 7 quarters of sloppy ball, the in the 4th it seems they found themselves. heard a comment somewhere this weekend that mccoy is not enjoying himself or the game as he did last year......
     
  28. edhookem

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    I think Colt will be fine. Greg Davis, was being way to conservative with his play calling the first game and a half. Finally, opened it up in the second half. Completely, different team. Our defense has a chance to even be better than 2005. (only time will tell)

    OU looks good....as I thought they would which is why I picked them to win the South. Not taking away from the OU win but man that was a bad Miami team. Not what we are acustomed to seeing out of them.
     
  29. unbiasedtruth

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    true.... they seemed not to have the toughness and speed that we have grown to know the canes having.
     

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