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Big 12 versus Pac-12

Discussion in 'Colorado Basketball Message Board' started by NashBuff, Jan 7, 2011.

  1. NashBuff

    NashBuff CSU Knob-Slobberer

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    10 of the Big 12 schools have won at least 10 games in non-conference compared to three in the Pac-12 (including CU and Utah's records) and if you remove the recent conference games from the wins and losses, only Arizona and Washington State won at least ten games outside of conference play at this point. At this point, it's safe to say that the Pac-12 will be a step down from the Big 12 for the Buffs.

    Anyone notice that Oregon State beat Arizona in Corvallis just recently? They lost at #21 BYU earlier this season.

    Washington State beat Baylor but lost to KSU out of the Big 12 so it seems like they might just be decent. We blew out Oregon State worse than they did in Pullman.

    Washington did play Kentucky and Michigan State tough and lost at Texas A&M.

    Those statements might come back to bite me in the rear but you have got to love CU's potential in the Pac-12 in MBB.
     
  2. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    In general and over time, the Pac-10 is a better basketball conference than the Big 12. Right now, though, the Big 12 is the best it has ever been and the Pac-10 is the worst it has ever been. It's a great opportunity for a Buff program that's on the rise to enter the expanded Pac-12 next year. Even Utah, a Final Four team not very long ago under Majerus, is way down right now.
     
  3. NashBuff

    NashBuff CSU Knob-Slobberer

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    And we got three of the Top 25 California kids in Boyle's first recruiting class. The facilities will really boost this program to new levels. I think it would be safe for us to shoot for the very top of the Pac-12 next season if Burks forgoes the NBA again.
     
  4. Mick Ronson

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    not sure that's a "sure thing". maybe. since about 1984 or 85, the Big 8/XII has been very good if not elite. even when the Big 8 closed shop, it was sending 4-5 teams a year to the NCAA in the heyday of Larry Brown, Tubbs, Johnny Orr, Norm Stewart...and then Sampson, Sutton, Roy, Norm....which is 50 to more than 50% of the conference. one of these days when the Big East sends 10, the guys on ESPn will wet themselves. 63% of the conference, which the Big 8 already did % wise (5/8) many times.

    i also don't agree that the Big XII is better than it has ever been. the early 00 stretch when the conference had Roy/Self, Sutton, Sampson, Barnes, Gillespie, Knight etc. was stronger than now. KU, OSU, OU, UT all made the Final Four and KU, OU, UT had Elite EIght's in other seasons. Gillespie and Knight had Sweet 16's. all in about a 4 season stretch. i'll take one of Sutton's FF teams or OU's Hollis Price teams over last year's Scott Drew Baylor team straight up all day everyday of the week. the XII in the early part of the decade was a great defensive league....not anymore. don't forget, 5-8 years ago Big Monday was two top 10 XII teams more weeks than not...now, it's ranked teams, maybe.

    CU was a 10 seed with W's over KU and UT in a FF year for them in 02 or 03. 10 seed. that team is a 5-8 seed easy this year.
     
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  5. NashBuff

    NashBuff CSU Knob-Slobberer

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    I agree with Mick...the Big 8 was still a very good MBB conference and the Big 12 has been a very good MBB conference as well. I respect the Pac-10 given its history but at this point, CU could very well finish in the upper part of the Pac-12 which we haven't done very often in the Big 12.

    I think I will miss the Big 12 in basketball but not football.
     
  6. Darian3Hagan

    Darian3Hagan '89 Player of the Year Club Member

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    Imagine what the Buffs could do in the MWC.
     
  7. sackman

    sackman Club Member Club Member

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    The Big 12 has a lot more depth than the Pac does. I think that's been the case since the league formed, too. The Pac has Arizona and UCLA and then a bunch of teams that sometimes might do kind of OK here and there. The Big 12 has KU, MU, OSU, UT, OU (except recently), KSU and then a bunch of teams that might do kind of OK here and there. Losing CU and NU will not diminsh the basketball prowess of the league one bit. The Big 12 (-2) will still be a better basketball conference next year.
     
  8. Junction

    Junction Moderator Club Member

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    Fade into obscurity?
     
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    Cry ourselves to sleep every night
     
  10. NashBuff

    NashBuff CSU Knob-Slobberer

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    I would have loved it if we were in the MWC for basketball because we would have more rivalries to look forward to. I hope we can develop rivalries in the Pac-12.
     
  11. NashBuff

    NashBuff CSU Knob-Slobberer

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    No doubt about it...the Big 12 will be murder's row next season and still better than the Pac-12 for awhile.
     
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    Whatever they could do, nobody would ever see it on TV
     
  13. BinaryBuff

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    Big 12 was/is/will be (for a while) the better bball conference and I will really miss this part of leaving the Big 12.
     
  14. Darian3Hagan

    Darian3Hagan '89 Player of the Year Club Member

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    I see you all missed my dig at Nash.
     
  15. Mick Ronson

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    this, though i'd find a way to work ATM in there as well....they've quietly transitioned from Gillespie to Turgeon and become an annual NCAA type team. the "XII" will be a very good hoops league for a while with the explosion of basketball talent in Texas over the last decade. Oklahoma (the state) has had a bunch of 4 and 5 star players over that period as well (KU poaches the best players from Tulsa or OKC all the time, OK has sent players to Duke and UK as well). It will only become a better league to watch when they go back to playing true home-homes for the conference slate.

    but, it won't be CU's league and i guess for me (like the old days of Conference USA with Cincy, Memphis, Marquette, Louisville, Tulsa, Depaul etc...that was a FUN, competitive league to watch impartially...just to watch basketball)....as a casual observer it will be interesting to follow from a distance minus one's rooting interest. but, adios.
     
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