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Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by BeachBronco, Dec 6, 2009.

  1. BeachBronco

    BeachBronco Active Member

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    Wild to think that our maligned offensive line did a pretty bang up job against Suh and the Bugeater defensive line last week and Texas and their entire 4 and 5 star offensive line was taken to the woodshed. Perhaps it is some little things?
     
  2. HotRack

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    All I know is that it's nice to see UT tied with us for giving up the most sacks in a single game in the Big 12 this year (I think) AND...they did on big time, prime time, national TV! At least we were only FCS...

    Have to agree with you though Beach - I was absolutely amazed that the Nubs' DL was tearing UT's OL apart they way they were last night. Considering they no sacks against us and we were able to move the ball farily well against them - I thought FOR SURE that UT was going to move the ball at will on the Nubs.

    Eh, college football...any given Saturday I guess. :confused:
     
  3. BeachBronco

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    You really have to give Pelini some props though their disguised blitzes last night were great, putting out 6-7 defensive backs and then mixxing them up in their blitzes was awesome.
     
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    Nobody doubts that Pelini is a great defensive mind.

    Shortly after Bo was hired I offered my opinion (somewhat shockingly, I know) that I felt that he would be a good hire in the long run (though I admit he's gathered wins far more quickly than I thought he would).

    But, I qualified my statement with my belief that as a first year head coach (at that time) he ran the risk of concentrating too much on fixing the "blackshirts-no-longer" at the expense of his offense. When he hired his brother, I wondered even more if he'd be a glorified defensive coordinator.

    A head coach is very different than a coordinator. If the HC concentrates too much on one side of the ball, then the team suffers.

    Here's my question to the board:

    Is Coach Pelini a good head coach, or simply the best defensive coordinator in the nation in a head coach's shoes?

    nebraska's struggles on offense point to the latter possibility. However, nebraska's nine wins suggest that he's doing something right as a head coach. But he still lacks what I 'd consider a quality win against a quality opponent, though he's come close at least twice.

    Thoughts?
     
  5. stampy

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    Pelini is clearly a brilliant defensive mind, but I've come to the conclusion that if he doesn't hire a innovative OC and allow him to operate with autonomy, like Chizik has, this is as much as NU can expect. 5 freaking first downs? Three until the final drive? Even CU had more than twice that many in the 70-3 debacle.

    I used to defend Watson around here, but this year's effort by him was in line with Hawkins overall performance, imo. At least we were inept in several areas. It must be extremely frustrating to Husker fans to have the best defense there in perhaps 20+yrs, and to have their worst offense in that same time frame.
     
  6. Waylon Van Smack

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    UT actually tried to block Suh one on one most of the night, Suh's actual responsibility in BPs system is to fill the line and let the LBs make the plays. CU and KU did a good job of doubling up on him. Suh was just exceeding his responsibility as he has done the last two years.

    Is BP a good hire? we will see, IMO he is a work in progress, as a Husker fan I need to see him make some tough decisions first, like firing SW (sorry my brother Stampy), getting his temper under control, what happens when he needs to replace other coaches that will start getting looks if this keeps up???? For now I am happy in year 2 but still want to see more.
     
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  7. White_Rabbit

    White_Rabbit Club Member Club Member

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    I think he might be the best defensive coordinator in the nation in a head coach's shoes. I'm just not sure his in your face yelling constantly philosophy is the best for a young QB who is having trouble. He needs to get a really good OC and just let him run the offense. Then he'll be a really good HC.
     
  8. CUBUFF80

    CUBUFF80 No Stinkin' Title Club Member

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    A lot like the opposite situation at Okie State, Gundy doesn't even pay attention when the defense is on the field. We've all seen the shots of him sitting on a box facing the stands, strategizing when the D is on the field.
     
  9. TheEvilBeak

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    First things first. When he came in, the O was fine. He could NOT revamp both at the same time or he would have had a mess. The goal in year 1 was a Bowl Game. That is why you saw them keep redshirts on over 50 guys. Ever notice that many of the guys playing last year haven't sniffed the field this year? He was able to accomplish the goal with only fixing part 1.

    Year 2 the goal was higher. Fell a little short. A thin O-line group to begin with became worse with nagging injuries. RBs are to the point that only 3 of the 7 will probably ever contribute. Receivers have a severe case of the dropsies. Unbelieveable how many dropped balls this year.

    Year 3 & 4, Bo has mighty big plans.

    I can almost guarantee you the Offensive philosophy will shift in a major way in the offseason to match more what he wants. There is a division amongst the O staff on what each wants to run. Most want less finesse and I think you will see it head that way.

    Coaches will either implement the new way or leave.
     
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    So far it all sounds familiar to something I heard from a program that was much nearer and dearer to my heart. However, since Bo had been more successful in year's one and two, I'm more inclined to believe that he'll have some success.
     
  11. TheEvilBeak

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    Problem being Hawk just seems kind of helter skelter in his methods and deciding what he wants the team to be. I think he is much more competent than given credit for but is still adjusting to the week in and week out quality of a higher level of competition.

    I think you will see a dramatic change in the NU Offense next year.
     
  12. White_Rabbit

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    To what? An offense that moves the ball? I don't think it's that simple, assuming you don't have Tommie Frazier and Lawrence Phillips redshirting. I don't think anyone will argue that Bo has an amazing defensive pedigree, but what evidence is there that he has a clue what to do on the offensive side of the ball? You guys need a new OC, one that isn't terrible.
     
  13. BuffLuKe

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    Pelini knows his **** no doubt. A dominate player like Suh hides alot of **** too. I think they have a very good defense, not a great one. Texas looks more and more like TTech every year and is the sole reason I think Alabama kicks their ass.
     
  14. Coloradosker

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    That's the problem though. Lee isn't a young QB. He played JUCO ball for many years and was a huge success. The mistakes that he makes are busch league and he is completely inconsistent. If you watched the KU game, he made great decisions and ran the ball with determination, something we hadn't seen all season long. Then he regresses. That makes no sense, especially in the biggest game of his career. He has to lay it all on the line in that game and he did anything but. I don't want a hesitant QB. Make mistakes, but make them full speed, with full effort.
     
  15. TheEvilBeak

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    ...which is why I stated they will implement what he wants or move on....we have 2 former OC's on staff as well. Tim Beck from Kansas and Barney Cotton. Folks don't seem to like Cotton as OC but he ran a pretty fair Offense at ISU.

    I don't have alot of concerns on that side of the ball for next year. You don't have to be top 10, just not #97 or whatever it is.

    Healthy players make coaches appear pretty smart.

    Not sure you want to...but try to imagine this team with a solid "O". Scary times for the B12.
     
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    you planning on Suh getting another year?
     
  17. TheEvilBeak

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    Suh was not the whole D. He will be missed but the players behind him will be fine. Crick will me more than man enough to take Suh's role next year.
     
  18. buffaholic

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    Jury is still out on Bo.

    No doubt he is a great DC.
    A great DC can make an ordinary D very good in a hurry, which he did.
    A great D can make a team competitive in a hurry, which he did.

    A great head coach is a ambassador, a recruiter and able to hire great assistants. Watson was Callahan's waterboy and Osborne mandated he stay. Frankly, I think TO makes those decisions and is still grooming Bo to be able to do that. Bo and Frank have fixed the D, meanwhile, the offense has gotten worst each year since Callahan left.

    Mangino just got fired for some things that Pelini better learn from. He went after Lee in the 3rd quarter and it wasn't something too many parents of 5-star QBs will see as endearing.

    Lastly, he's playing with Callahan's guys mostly. His guys are RS freshmen and younger for the most part. If he doesn't rip someone's head off by year 5 we will know.

    Of course, Nub fans will tell you the pipeline is stocked....
     
  19. BehindEnemyLines

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    Tehass thot they could block him with the OG only. They were wrong.
    Near the end of the broadcast they showed a stat that soo had been double-teamed 29 out of 64 plays. CU ran a single blocker against him more than half the time. I think Miller pretty well held his own. Tehass, on the other hand......
     
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    Nebraska's D will be good again next season, but not elite, since you lose literally the best D Lineman to come around in decades. Having Suh on the field is equivalent to having 12-13 guys on the field.
     
  21. Coloradosker

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    Take a look at what the Big XII will look like next season and tell me where NU will finish:

    OU- No Bradford, Gresham, and majority of the D.
    UT- McCoy, Shipley, lot of their D
    OSU- Everyone
    Baylor- Griffin back but they're still Baylor
    aTm- Good young core, remains to be seen if Sherman can develop them into a contender or not.
    TTech- Should be very good.

    Mizz- No Alexander or Washington. Basically their entire offense from the 2nd half of the season. No Weatherspoon. The only player on their D.
    KU- everyone's gone including the fat man.
    CU- Returns most, but a lot of problems to fix.
    ISU- Still ISU.
    KSU- Need to find some offensive weapons including a QB. Defense isn't much to write home about.

    Gotta think that if NU can find a decent QB they will be favored to win the Big XII. Suh is a monster, but you guys shut him down and our defense shut you down. Seems like there's more to the success of the defense than just Suh.
     
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    fify
     
  23. dply

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    Took me a minute but :lol:
     
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    Yeah, I wanted folks to work for it.
     
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    Ummm, you gave up over 400 yards against us. If that's shutting us down, what the hell would you call what our defense did to your offense???? :wow:
     
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    Or imagine that team with a s***ty defense - not so scary now. What's your point? Imagine the Buffs with laser beams on their helmets, even scarier.
     
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    Calling those Allbuffers with photoshop skills. I don't want to imagine this...I want to see it!
     
  28. Highflyer

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    Say what? Crick is a good defender but Suh is a Reggie White, Bruce Smith type, once every 25 years player.

    You are either not giving Suh his due or drastically over estimating how good Crick is.

    Losing Suh is going to be a blow to the fusker D. Pretty much guarantee you will not see the red in the top 5 in scoring D, let alone top 15 next season.
     
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    dply Doble hoja Club Member

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    Plus how many of Crick's big plays came off of Suh being double or triple teamed?
     
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    i think the fuskers will have a good defense next year. lil' bo peep is good w/ defenses. despite what any kool-aid drinking cornholer might suggest, you cannot replace suh. that is as dominant as a college player gets... sure, they can do some things to mitigate the loss of a guy like that, but this idea that they won't miss a step is just plain dumb.

    imho, the fuskers aren't recruiting particularly well so i wonder about their ability to take the next step up. i think they are well positioned to contend for the north.

    CU, should, theoretically, be able to contend for the north too. snyder has kjuco state playing ok, but they are hurting in terms of athletes. i think ku will miss the fat man, no matter who they hire. mizzery probably has the best athletes in the north, but stinkel really can't coach a lick. and, of course, isu is dog crap.

    presuming our staff pulls up its big boy football pants and heeds the lessons that it has been so painfully taught these last 4 years, i think the Buffs could be in the mix.

    still, the talent gap between the north and south is significant. texas loses some great players, but they always have guys with physical skills (if not experience) moving through the pipeline. ou had a rough year due to injuries and such but they have athletes and coaching and they won't be as young next year. okie state looks pretty good. ttech can be dangerous. baylor and atm are somewhat improved but are probably the teams most on par with the athleticism across the board in the north.

    right now, i would say mizzery and the fuskers are the overall best programs in the north in terms of coaching, athleticism, experience, support, etc. but, CU could rally with a good year.
     
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