Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by cmgoods, Aug 7, 2014.
I hope I'm wrong, but I suspect this is the end of college sports as we know it. Cheaters will start making rules explicitly allowing their cheating. College sports will become D-leagues for the NFL and NBA.
Football and basketball already are the d leagues in my book, and cheating is already rampant (with few teams getting penalties with the severity they deserve). Now they will at least be able to pay the kids a bit.
I honestly think we would be better off if both the NFL and NBA had viable d leagues (like baseball and hockey). That way the kids that have no interest in school could just go straight to the pros and it would allow us to actually have an amateur product in college.
You know what I'm hoping for more than anything out of this?
That the P5 will be able to come together on baseball, make rules that benefit MLB, and are able to draw a sponsorship deal from MLB for P5 baseball. If that happened, there's a possibility of seeing another revenue sport and for CU to add a team.
Probably a pipe dream on my part, but I'm allowed to dream. :smile2:
This. You sold me. I'm willing to ditch my amateur vision for a baseball team.
I did see someone make one comment about baseball. I guess what some people were hoping for was increased scholarships, but I guess that it isn't part of the autonomy changes.
This will effectively kill mid major football programs. CSU's days are numbered. As are those of Wyoming, UNM, USU, BYU, NMSU, etc. The disparity between the haves and the have nots will continue to widen to the point where it'll be like playing a FCS school. Sometimes, there will be an upset here or there, but 95% of the games played between the two divisions will go to the P5 schools.
This sounds fine to me, so long as CU is one of the 'Haves'
I think they will adapt somehow.
For sure. If I was an AD at a mid-major, I'd be looking to dump football (or drop it down to a much lower level). This would allow me to dump a lot of athletic programs that are there for Title IX reasons in order to balance those 85 scholarships. We're going to see a lot of schools take a look at universities like Georgetown, Providence, Denver, Marquette, Creighton, Wichita State and Gonzaga.
For the most part, schools are losing money in their athletic departments and the football team doesn't make enough as it is to cover 170 scholarship (football plus the Title IX matching) along with all the coach salaries, travel and recruiting costs. If you're not in the big money, you're better off getting out of the game.
It sure beats the hell out of being a "have-not", that's for sure. I still don't like it. I am observant enough to realize there's no stopping it, though. Just hope we're on the right side of things.
It also effectively kills the NCAA as a working oversight organization. They capitulated to the P5 because they had no choice. Had they not, the P5 would have simply left the NCAA completely and organized it's own oversight committee. The NCAA is now a de-facto arm of the P5, and by extension, probably about 10-15 schools within that P5.
We're NOT one of those 10-15 schools. I just hope the ones that are continue to realize the benefit the rest of us bring. Otherwise, it won't be long before we're on the outside, looking in.
The NCAA and the mid-majors brought this reaction from the P5 on themselves. Consider all of the college programs around the country that have moved up to D1A in the past 20 years (in football and/or basketball). They did this because it was a sweet deal to suck off the teet (sweaty or not). In recent years, this had caused things to unbalance and for the NCAA legislature to become like having a US Senate where every member got equal votes without balancing it with a HoR that considered the size of the member. (I know what I did there - Anthony Weiner liked that joke.) The P5 had to respond. The NCAA and its D1A non-P5 schools had over-played the hand they had been dealt.
Especially since there is a large movement for the P5 to only play themselves....there will be no money games for smaller schools and the Mountain West and AAC won't be able to power the smaller level to any type of competitive balance
We have to hope that this doesn't somehow get to a point where the really, really BIG boy schools like Alabama, Michigan, Ohio St, USC, Notre Dame, Texas ... to name a few don't take it up a notch further and create their own little club of the 'ultra haves' as I fear CU wouldn't make that cut.
SIR/SIAP: not seeing it, but didn't want to start a new thread on this, but I'm ``OK'' with the idea. I support ``BCS'' schools playing one, but no more than one, non-BCS school per season. Stated before OTB, I don't like seeing P5 schools beating down lower tier schools to run up the win total. I do think there is merit to having BCS schools play a single lower tier game against regional competition. But as a fan, I won't cry if those schools are dropped.
You mean revenue draining sport. Who would go?
Yeah, but at that point they marginalize their market too much. The power 5 conferences cover almost every region of the country, so every region has a stake. If you start trimming it too much, then you start missing out markets, which will leave viable alternatives for 'secondary' leagues.
Yep. Not a concern of mine. I don't hear the NFL or MLB saying there should be retraction and only the big mark market teams should survive. You need people to play and those teams have to be on equal enough footing to make the games entertaining. The networks want more volume of good games, not less. And it seems like the "max profit zone" is around 60-80 major college football programs.
Hopefully they adopt a better governing structure, because I just don't trust the 5 league commissioners and the school's themselves to always act in the best interest of the sport.
Exactly, at least one of the commissioners is a sock puppet too.
When they talk about paying "the full cost of attending school" and a $2,000 "stipend", is that per year or per semester?
This is what I've been lobbying for for years!
Interesting thought. I agree.
Not just interesting but it makes perfect sense. I'm surprised that so many programs have moved up from FCS in recent years - Georgia Southern, UTSA, ASU, ODU, etc. Football is a very expensive sport for an AD to fund so if you're wanting to compete at the highest level then you need to pour alot of cash into it. College football really needs another division between FBS and FCS which would be perfect for all these mid-major conference teams - MWC, CUSA, Sun Belt, AAC, MAC
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