Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Hugegroove, Aug 11, 2011.
Nothing wrong with Colorado's Bohn getting extended.
makes sense to me. i'm not 100% on the guy by any means, but he works hard and he's put things in place that if his men's revenue coaches start to produce, along with the Pac cheese....we could be in pretty good shape in 4-5 years.
I'm good with it. He played no small role in getting us in the Pac-12 and out of the Big 12 mess. Does a good job with marketing and fan and alumni relations. Boyle had an excellent first year and seems to be killing it on the recruiting trail. I think he gets the basketball program consistenly in the top 4-6 teams in the Pac-12. Bohn's future after the next five years hinges on the Embo hire. I was all for that hire and I think it will look like a smashing success in five years, but we would've said the same thing about Hawkins just a few years ago. Hell, I remember discussions on this board where concern was expressed that Hawk would jump for a bigger job.
Coaching hires are a very minor part of an AD's job. Fundraising, PR, marketing and community relations are probably 75% of his responsibilities. I'm a big fan of Mike Bohn. I think he's done an excellent job. He's far and away the best AD this school has ever had.
I wish the extension had come with a stipulation that he let someone else negotiate contracts for him, but other than that, I'm OK with it. The Pac move was so huge that it overshadowed his poor coaching hires. And I have hope that Embo will be a solid pick.
He's not getting paid much so it is fine by me. If Embo flops, he will not be around much longer anyway.
I disagree. I think he gets another shot if Embo flops. That's a big reason why he hired Embo in the first place, IMO. He'll have a lot more money to hire the next coach, assuming there is a next coach. I don't see there being a big public outcry to fire Bohn if Embree is a failure.
How is he going to have any credibility in that scenario?
i think part of the reason he hired Embree is it puts the Mac boosters on his side...and lessens the heat on MB's job. which was not the case last year during Dan's extra year. pretty shrewd move. he hires Calhoun, say, and his balls are back in the sling. Embree puts you on the same side as the boosters. your fate is tied with their fate. JE wins 5 and we are on an upswing, Troy Calhoun wins 5 and he made the wrong hire. i think that's a good read of the Buff landscape. Mike is a PR guy....hiring Embree is what he needs to sell product. right now.
now, what we've seen from JE 2011 redux has been impressive....but i don't think you can ignore what i say above.
His credibility comes from the Boyle hire, the facilities improvements, the $$$ he's getting from the Pac 12 TV contract, the increased ticket sales, improved community relations, etc. Like I said, I believe coaching hires are a very small part of an athletic directors' job. He has a lot of other stuff he has to pay attention to. It's the other stuff that he does so well that makes him credible.
Two years ago I was pretty concerned about Bohn. He and Hawk seemed to be best buds, and an extension was given prematurely, on the basis of a single win.
Since then he has seemed to be going above and beyond. The removal of DH, frequent appearances pre-game in various tailgating lots, engaging the student section at basketball games, and to whatever extent he aided the move to the PAC12 have all been really solid moves. I am not sure how much of that was acclimating to the job and culture of CU as a growing into the role over the first few years, but I certainly thought he was worthy of an extension, and hope that the incentives in his contract place big emphasis on sellouts, conference championships and postseason success across all sports.
i met Eddie Crowder many times and i loved the guy. i used to see him at King Soopers and he knew my dad. i give Eddie the edge over Mike Bohn right now. Eddie had some bad decisions and both were in tough times--cutting sports, etc.
i think Bohn can be judged by putting some of those sports back on the board. i've talked with someone associated with the club swim team....and they hired a new coach this year. this the CU club team that has multiple NC's right now, in the last couple years. this guy felt like when he was hired that the CU swim job would jump to D-1 (a lot of applicants thought this)....and maybe wasn't happening now. his feeling, deservedly bitter, was that lacrosse was coming.
my brother's cousin dates Allen Iverson and he knows Bo Schembechler's daughter who says that.....
Eddie Crowder was possibly the worst AD we ever had. Blue uniforms. The elimination of 5 or 6 varsity sports. Chuck Fairbanks. Sorry, he was terrible.
You and I both know that they would need some serious facility upgrades to make the jump to D-1 swimming/diving. They're years - decades probably - from that reality. Your friend is understandably bitter, but I think he would have to acknowledge that it's more reasonable to bring back sports that don't require massive facilities investments. Wrestling and Lacrosse fit that category. Baseball and swimming do not.
Bohn: Dan Hawkins, eliminaton of varsity sports and crappy changed uniforms that have since been changed back. Difference? Crowder brought us a national title with his hire. Thus Crowder > Bohn to this point.
as i've posted before, the UCSU REC just got a big student vote and money fees contribution. i realize there is a diff between UCSU and the AD.....but it's one time investment in infrastructure with moneys that the kids voted for that benefits the whole student body. all 3 of CU's pools are crammed. it's clearly a need for expansion of the Rec. after that all you need is to buy travel (same as every sports), and some duffel bags and CU speedos. gives you title 9 for a program that is already in place that isn't starting from scratch.
now, that's my opinion. truth is, students voted for some kind of Mazatlan pool that is outdoors, forgetting that those moneys will build a pool with water fountains in which 20 year olds cannot buy Coronas and stunt drinks. outdoor pool is open how months of the year in Colorado.....which is on a scale of maintenance.
lacrosse and field hockey makes sense, i've argued for it.
that's the OU connection with Fairbanks and Crowder. who knew Chuck was going to take the gaspipe after winning at OU and New England just to prove a point (or drinking).
bad move, but i don't think Eddie is the worst.
I think Mike deserves the extension, from here on out he can't ride Larry Scott's coat tails anymore. So as Sacky pointed out Fundraising, PR, marketing, community relations, Boyle hire, facilities improvements, and the increased ticket sales are what he really needs to be totally focused on. We can all reevaluate his position in a few years by what his accomplishments/failures are over that timeline.
The problem with lacrosse is we would have to make a D1 hire, and it would take 3-4 years to get D1 players on the field. It would be nice if CU had a D1 lacrosse team though.
It'd be a different story if MB were a Fairview product.
So what do all of you think about Mike getting a 5 inch extension?
I'm guessing his wife is pleased.
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Was there any incentive for winning? I don't think that has been stressed enough.
Just as we have big rewards for our coaches if they win the conference, get to post-season, etc., we should also have that type of criteria on our Athletic Director.
If I was writing his contract, I'd have in there that a Top 50 finish in the Learfield Cup (AD ranking based on results from all sports) is a minimum expectation for the Athletic Department. I'd have significant bonuses for Top 25 and Top 10 finishes. You are what you emphasize.
(We finished #66 in 2010-11).
In light of Aggie's bumbling SEC bid, I have a renewed respect for DiStephano and Bohn.
I thought this was a joke when I first read it. AD still means athletic director, right? Is that intramurals or team sports representing the university? How can coaching hires be a minor part when they have such a great influence on everything else? And then you call Crowder horrible for his coaching hires? :rofl:
Personally, I think lacrosse makes the most sense. First off both mens and womens lacrosse could be added with equal scholarships, so title IX would be a non factor. The facilities are already in place for a succesful lacrosse team. The big games could be played at Folsom while others could be played on the intramural fields if bleachers were added ( it would be nicer than 50% of the D-1 lax fields ive seen...ive seen alot). Colorado has had a very successful mens club team for a long time. Colorado would follow in the footsteps of Michigan (just added mens and womens lax) by recruiting a large incoming freshman class as well as keeping 8-12 players from the club team. The MCLA (club league) is very competitive. If anyone keeps up with colorado high school athletics you would know that lacrosse has exploded over the past 12 or so years. There are currently 63 mens varsity high school lacrosse programs in colorado. Last season 61 boys signed with a college program from Colorado (12 signed D-1 scholarships). The only other mens D-1 program in the west is Denver University so Colorado would have the upper hand in recruiting in Texas, California, Oregon, Arizona, Washington, and ofcourse Colorado (52 D-1 players last year from those states). There would be an immediate rivalry with Denver. Denver reached the final four last season and has been steadily ranked in the top 25 for the past few seasons. Denver also is home to the Colorado Mammoth and Denver Outlaws, the two most sussessful professional lacrosse teams in the NLL and MLL. The Outlaws attendance levels have reached over 23,000 people. Lacrosse is mainly an upper class sport where it is most popular at schools such as cherry creek, mullen, regis jesuit,etc... so funding would come easier than most sports. The womens team would have the opportunity to play against other PAC-12 teams such as stanford, oregon, and California. It makes sense
Sounds great, but unless the pac12 network wants to show it on tv what would be the point financially? Definitely would be a fun sub culture sport for a Denver rivalry
Is it already time for a new thread discussing new sports cu should add?
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