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Brian Howell's article

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  1. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Article made me think of...

    [video=youtube;9AFf0ysgNiM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AFf0ysgNiM[/video]
     
  3. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    So many gems in there, but this one is the best:

     
  4. sliderNcider

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    Hahaha
     
  5. DBT

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    Well, whether anyone agrees or not, this is exactly what the staff will be trying to sell to recruits. This is what I'd be trying to sell recruits if I were in Embree's shoes.
     
  6. OrangeBowl

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    I like this one
    The Big East kicked Temple out of the league so they joined the MAC.That had more to do with the end of the bowl drought than anything else.IMHO
     
  7. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Sure. Now put yourself on the other side. You are a high school player from any state in the Pac-12 geography. You are not a fan of any of them and have no personal ties to any school. You don't ski. Can you explain to me why this pitch would appeal to you and why you would choose to go to CU if you had an offer from any of the other 11 programs?

    You have captured, DBT, exactly why we need to fire Embree. This is an impossible pitch. And with no qualifications, it's even worse. We already know that the "I coached Tony Gonzalez, EB coached Petersen & MJD, Brookhart coached Fitzgerald, and Kenndey coached Shipley" couldn't sway a single blue-chip TE, RB or WR playmaker before the record of the past 2 season. That won't change and the pitch that's left is a sad one.
     
  8. Duff Man

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    Temple, Ball State, San Jose State, and Memphis... I hope we can follow in the footsteps of these illustrious programs. That is a lot of pressure.
     
  9. Buffnik

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    Howell and I exchanged tweets this week. He's excited about all the guys coming back next year and thinks it should lead to 3 or 4 wins. He would see that as progress and he's in favor of 4 or 5 years for Embree.
     
  10. 13Buff

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    So what that dumb ass is saying is there is a 30% chance we will go to a bowl game in the foreseeable future? Does he really believe that makes us feel better?
     
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  11. dio

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    I also exchanged tweets with Howell - I didn't find him to be the sharpest tool in the shed. He offered zero compelling reasons to keep Embree, other than 'the team is young, that is why we suck'
     
  12. JWP303

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    Such a garbage attempt at trying to generate empathy for Embree. Did the Athletic Department pay the Daily Camera to write this piece?
     
  13. InTheBuff

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    agree 100%- I got so pissed I posted a comment which I've never done before- I'm LongmontBuff68
     
  14. Duff Man

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    What I love most about him bringing Wulff front and center is that while Wazzu did win four games in 2011, three came against Idaho State, UNLV, and Colorado. If that is a good model for Embree's hypothetical 4th year at CU, kill me now.
     
  15. 13Buff

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    And the sub title of the story drives me crazy, "Knights' tale, other programs prove better days could be ahead"

    I could find some research that PROVES that a monkey COULD spontaneously fly out of one of the coaches butt and get 3 more wins next year.
     
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    The kids we seem to be recruiting are at a level where the education is more important than a possible trip to the show...

    So, in no particular order of quality;
    CU, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, UW ​

    Is greater than....
    USC, Oregon, ASU, UA​

    Is greater than....
    WSU, Utah, OSU

    So we have that going for us.
     
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    How does any of that make us a Top 25 program again?
     
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    Re: Howell's article



    Anecdotally speaking there is a 10 in 58 chance embree makes it to multiple bowl games if he is retained.

    Those are the kind of odds that lend themselves to the magic eight ball.

    I ask you magic eight ball, if embree is retained following the abyssmal 2012 campaign, will he be able emulate the success of a powerhouse like Rutgers?

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    Nonetheless I am greatful DiStephano and Benson are 1000% behind football program.
     
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    Sort of stating the obvious here, but every single one of these arguments is deeply, deeply flawed.
     
  20. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    You didn't find it compelling that Howell called up a couple coaches who had been fired for poor performance and those coaches didn't think they should have been fired?
     
  21. Idot Buff

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    What does the magic conch say?
     
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    We'll see.
     
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    Greg Schiano is a NFL head coach. Mike Stoops is the DC at a team that could finish in the top 10. Brady Hoke is the head coach at Michigan who won a BCS bowl in his first season there. Perfectly reasonable to assume Embree is on par with these coaches.
     
  24. Idot Buff

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    The magic conch has spoken!
     
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    Other than the points people here have brought up, I'd be curious to see what his success stories look like if he sticks to coaches who won 5 or fewer games their first two years. Why expand it to 9 or fewer? 9 wins in your first two years is pushing bowl eligibility (only need 12 for that). How many of those vaunted 18 coaches who went on to such great heights of success came from the first set of coaches? Schiano, clearly. Anybody else?
     
  26. boulder77

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    Now, THAT I would pay to see.
     
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    I guess we can place Brian Howell in the group of infotainment monkeys who put out spin for the AD. Maybe he's the new Woellk...I'm just surprised he didn't go to the "this is the most important game in Coach _______'s tenure", card. Maybe he did, I didn't finish the nonsense article.
     
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    What a horrifying article. Is this moron serious? Paul Wulff seriously cited as an example of success? What the ****. He was 9-40 after 4 years. It doesn't get much worse than that, and that is exactly where we're headed if we stick with Embree.

    And even disregarding that, most of the other examples were eventually fired or ditched their ****** school for something better. Al Golden and Brady Hoke are pretty good coaches I think. Mike Stoops was fired, Ron Zook was fired, etc.

    This guy is a ****ing moron.
     
  29. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

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    So the 8 teams that fired their coach after two years were Kansas, Stanford, Washington, East Carolina, Ball St, Akron, Memphis and Army.

    Kansas is one year removed from firing Turner Gill, who coached for 2 years at KU. Charlie Weiss has struggled in his first year.

    Stanford fired Walt Harris after 2 years (the last being a 1-11 year) and hired Jim Harbaugh. He turned out pretty well.

    Washington fired Keith Gilbertson after 2 years and hired Ty Willingham. Willingham was then fired four years later.

    East Carolina fired John Thompson after 2 years and hired Skip Holtz. Skip Holtz had East Carolina within a game of .500 his 1st year and into a bowl game his 2nd year.

    Ball State fired Stan Parrish after 2 years and hired Pete Lembo in 2010. Lembo went 6-6 last year. Ball State is 8-3 this year.



    I will get the stats for Akron, Memphis and Army later.
     
  30. chipwich

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    "While going 3-20 his first two years at Rutgers, Schiano made strides by beating bigger schools for in-state recruits"

    So that's a point against keeping Embree I assume.
     

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