aik
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Would get another stamp on his I-25 customer loyalty card.
DU would also have to know a little about Tad Boyle's assistants, one in particular.
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Bzdelik done at Wake?
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Would get another stamp on his I-25 customer loyalty card.
DU would also have to know a little about Tad Boyle's assistants, one in particular.
DU damn near danced last year and have an all-everything freshman.
DU is 16-14 this year and never gets so much as a mention in "other games of local interest" on the local evening news sportscast.
Down year after a good year last year with a rising star of a freshman.
Didn't DU's leading scorer go grad transfer to Baylor or something?
Buffenuf
massive tool
Pay attention: They've had a string of the last 3 seasons with 20 wins. This year their record is a couple wins over .500 (16-14???), so they could still make a post season tourney just not the Dance, unless they win their conf. champ auto bid.
Leading rebounder, royce o'neale. The frosh (drick bernstine) was granted his request to leave the team last month after he pretty much fell out of the rotation.
I was shocked when I read that, when he played against Stanford he looked great, I don't know the back story.
bernstine is a heck of a player when I played him at Cherokee Trail.
Val
Well-Known Member
Good post. I feel the same.
I'm torn about Buzz. I know everyone has mentioned all of the positives about his time at CU. I have my doubts that we would have ever been better than mediocre under him though. He's just not a great recruiter. Sure he struck gold with Burks and a nice family connection with Higgins sent him our way, but besides that the recruiting was ok at best.
Without the connection to Wellman, he would have been, rightfully, fired after last year. He was good at AF with those type of players and good at laying a foundation at CU. Unfortunately, none of those were needed at Wake. Can anyone say that Wake is in a better position now than they were four years ago? The whole rebuilding argument doesn't work when you take over a team like Wake. For an outsider, Tad's success doesn't really bode well for him either.
Nothing against him personally, I think he's better suited for the NBA.
Without the connection to Wellman, he would have been, rightfully, fired after last year. He was good at AF with those type of players and good at laying a foundation at CU. Unfortunately, none of those were needed at Wake. Can anyone say that Wake is in a better position now than they were four years ago? The whole rebuilding argument doesn't work when you take over a team like Wake. For an outsider, Tad's success doesn't really bode well for him either.
Nothing against him personally, I think he's better suited for the NBA.
OUBuff
American
I don't care about Wake Forest.
cubuffs85
Active Member
No channeling my inner Ronald Reagan, they aren't better off than they were four years.
You don't usually need a four year rebuild for a major cbb program like WF. This isn't football.
Do they call him drick "brick" bernstine?
Drick the "quick" apparently
The fact remains that Wake is the only place where Bz hasn't achieved some level of success. At CU, it was full re-building mode, and he set us up very nicely to achieve the success we're enjoying now. I have my doubts that he could have done what Tad is doing, but I also suspect it would have taken Tad a lot longer to get to where he is without the groundwork first being laid by Bzdelik.
I'm sorry to see him not succeed at Wake Forest. I think he's a pretty good basketball coach. Maybe it was just a bad fit there.
I'm sorry to see him not succeed at Wake Forest. I think he's a pretty good basketball coach. Maybe it was just a bad fit there.
I just remember the offense was often times simply painful to watch when he was coach. 30 seconds of passing with little to no success in finding an open man or getting to the rim. I was amazed by the instant improvement we had as soon as Tad got here. The offense flowed and shooters were allowed to shoot.
Right now, our offense has dead spots... I think that will get better next year with everybody back and more experienced, and Collier likely to hit a high % of shots almost out of the gate.
BehindEnemyLines
beware the habu
His coaching style and favored offense are better suited for service academies.
He'd be lethal a the right Mid-major as well, or hell even the SEC as ****ty as that Conf has gotten
cubuffs85
Active Member
Wake is a tough spot to win in the ACC, sure there's a lot of talent but you're competing with UNC/Duke in a usually talent heavy conference. Bzdelik if he had stayed the course at CU could've ended up with a statue.
BuffG
Well-Known Member
Try telling that to Wake fans who have experienced plenty of success in the last 20 years in the ACC. BZ would never have ended up with a statue. Princeton offense with lesser athletes than we have now going against the PAC-12? Maybe a pinch better than Ricardo in the long run, but a statue is hyperbolic
cubuffs85
Active Member
I grew up watching the ACC please. I didn't say they couldn't have success there, you're just competing with the big boys. It's both a help and a hurt playing near the blue bloods of UNC/Duke. They can't everyone so Wake should always get talent, but they're going up against the best.
We will never know how Bzdelik would've done here if he had stayed the course, but he laid the groundwork. I don't think Tad is having this kind of success otherwise. That's not to take anything away from Tad, because he took CU to the next level.
I see him as a guy who can put together a nice run every few years with a senior dominated team.
BuffG
Well-Known Member
Wake relative to UNC/Duke was closer than CU to UCLA/UofA before Bz. There's blue bloods in every major conference. Don't want to get into which conference is greater. ACC had slowest tempo this year. Could be argued that ACC was/is a better fit for Bz than Pac-12. He should have had a greater chance of long-term success at WF in the ACC than CU in the Pac-12 and I'm thankful for how it panned out.
cubuffs85
Active Member
I'm not saying otherwise with your comparison. I don't think Wake is a walk-in-the-park, that's all. I'm saying he had his chance to make his mark here like Tad has done. I think he would've been successful if he had stayed but not to the degree of Tad. Who knows really?
It wasn't a bad decision on his part, most would've done it. Like I'm thankful for how it turned out.
BuffG
Well-Known Member
I wasn't necessarily taking a position against you either. WF has it's challenges, but if Bz couldn't succeed there, I don't think he would've done much better here long-term.
cubuffs85
Active Member
Yeah no doubt, it's one of those things you wonder if and in a good way because we can't complain about the Tad for Bz "trade."
CVilleBuff
Well-Known Member
Everyone saw this coming and frankly Wake got what they deserved for getting rid of Gaudio. Wake fans *never* accepted Bzdelik, they looked at his CU record and were horrified before he ever even coached a Deacs game. Sendek's offense isn't much different, he certainly found more success in the ACC than Bzdelik. Bottom line is he needed significant improvement this year and 16-15 (6-12) just isn't good enough in year 4. Wake beat Duke late last year too and that was supposed to be when they turned the corner. Obviously that didn't happen. 2-32 in ACC road games just doesn't cut it. Wake fans have expectations that are so far higher than CU expectations pre-Tad.