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Calhoun - by the numbers

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Lt.Col.FrankSlade, Nov 17, 2010.

  1. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

    Lt.Col.FrankSlade Well-Known Member

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    I did a little number crunching on Troy Calhoun's record at Air Force.

    Record Against BCS Teams
    Since Calhoun became head coach at Air Force, Air Force has played four (4) BCS teams (including Notre Dame). Air Force is 1-3 in those games, with the only victory being against Notre Dame in 2007.

    Notre Dame, 2007 (Air Force 41, Notre Dame 24)
    California, 2007 (Air Force 36, Cal 42)
    Minnesota, 2009 (Air Force 13, Minnesota 20)
    Oklahoma, 2010 (Air Force 24, Oklahoma 27)

    Record Against Teams with WINNING Records, Div. I-A teams
    Since Calhoun became head coach at Air Force, Air Force has opened every single season with a Division I-AA opponent. (South Carolina State, Southern Utah, Nicholls State, Northwestern State) Not including those opponents, Air Force's victories have come against mainly LOSING teams.

    2007 victories -
    Utah (Finished season 9-4)
    TCU (Finished season 8-5)
    UNLV (Finished season 2-10)
    CSU (Finished season 3-9)
    Wyoming (Finished season 5-7)
    Army (Finished season 3-9)
    Notre Dame (Finished season 3-9)
    San Diego State (Finished season 4-8)

    2 wins against teams with winning records (Utah and TCU), 6 wins against teams with losing records.

    2008 victories -
    Wyoming (Finished season 4-8)
    Houston (Finished season 8-5)
    San Diego State (finished season 2-10)
    UNLV (Finished season 5-7)
    New Mexico (Finished season 3-9)
    Army (Finished season 3-9)
    CSU (Finished season 7-6)

    2 wins against teams with winning records (Houston and CSU), 5 wins against teams with losing records.

    2009 victories -
    New Mexico (Finished season 1-11)
    San Diego State (Finished season 4-8)
    Wyoming (Finished season 7-6)
    CSU (Finished season 3-9)
    Army (Finished season 5-7)
    UNLV (Finished season 5-7)
    Houston (Finished season 10-4)

    2 wins against teams with winning records (Wyoming and Houston), 5 wins against teams with losing records.

    2010 victories -
    BYU (Currently 5-5)
    Wyoming (Currently 2-9)
    Navy (Currently 7-3)
    CSU (Currently 3-8)
    Army (Currently 6-4)
    New Mexico (Currently 1-9)
    *UNLV (Currently 2-8)

    2 wins against teams with winning records, 3 (4) wins against teams with losing records, 1 win against a team with an even (.500) record.

    Over his four year coaching career at Air Force, when excluding the I-AA teams, Calhoun only has 8 wins against teams with winning records.




    I wanted to do some look-up of how Calhoun's teams have done against RANKED opponents since he took over at Air Force, but didn't really have time to do so. Perhaps later.
     
  2. Liver

    Liver modded mod Club Member Junta Member

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    you worry too much.
     
  3. SanDiegoBuff

    SanDiegoBuff Club Member Club Member

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    Now, to actually make your statistics mean something, go back and find out how many wins AF averaged against winning teams during the DeBerry years to find out if this is high, low or average for a school like AF.

    If you ask a general fan on the street, they'd take your numbers and probably say that they're just about right for a service academy that's severly limited in what kind of player they can recruit.
     
  4. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

    Lt.Col.FrankSlade Well-Known Member

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    Fisher DeBerry started coaching at Air Force in 1984. Do you want for me to go through every year he was coaching?

    I think a general fan off the street would see those numbers and react similarly to how the general fan off the street reacts to Boise State's numbers. i.e. - the conference is crap. (But at least Boise State is beating up on BCS teams, now.)
     
  5. UrbanaBuff

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    They should have beaten Minny last year, they were bad.
     
  6. SanDiegoBuff

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    I don't care if, or how far you go back, without context though, those numbers don't mean a whole lot. Based on their recent history, I would think most people would see someone maintaining a 6-6 record at any service academy as doing a pretty good job.

    So what, he has a hard time beating wining teams, it's AF and it's a crap conference. If the insiders are to be believed, Bohn is using that exact argument.

    No one can deny that Calhoun has a solid coaching pedigree and is a good X and O guy. He's got a coaching resumee that blows Hawkins out of the water, so calling him Hawk 2.0, as some on this board are is ignorant.

    If you want to show he's a bad fit for CU come up with some solid comparisons to show he's doing a poor job compared to the other service academies of late (which he is, with the exception of this year). Army's on the rise and Navy has been more impressive over the last few years. That he's never recruited anyone or had to recruit really at any level (which he hasn't). That even after scholarship limits were imposed he's not matching DeBerry's level of success (Which I don't think he is).
     
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  7. InTheBuff

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    lots to worry about if Calhoun gets the job-

    FWIW- when AFA beat ND in 2007 that Irish team only won THREE games-
     
  8. leftybuff

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    +1 that is what leaped out at me. Minny has sucked since Brewster got there.
     
  9. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

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    I do not know enough about Calhoun to know if he is, or is not, a good X and O guy. Being a good X and O guy is the least of my concerns, however.

    As far as his coaching resume - he worked at Wake Forest, Ohio, and now Air Force. Hardly a who's who of college football. Certainly none of those colleges can be considered to be recruiting juggernauts. Frankly, I don't think any of those schools typically even competes with the recruiting juggernauts for recruits. Calhoun also worked for the Broncos for a few years, where he was a "defensive assistant" in 2003 and then an "offensive assistant" the next couple years - whatever that means, and worked at the Houston Texans for a year, serving as the offensive coordinator. Again - not exactly overwhelming when you are hanging your hat on two NFL teams that didn't win anything while he was coaching there. He was arguably most involved in the offense of the 2006 Texans - and the team went 6-10!

    I think Calhoun is a valid comparison to Hawkins. Dan Hawkins had never coached at major football program when he got the CU job. Neither has Calhoun. Dan Hawkins never recruited to the level that was required for success at CU. Neither has Calhoun. Dan Hawkins had a record which was fat with wins against lesser competition. That's the same with Calhoun. Hawkins rarely played BCS teams - and when he did - he lost. That's the same with Calhoun. Yes, I will grant you that Calhoun has coached in higher levels (NFL trumps most everything else) than Hawkins ever did - but neither has the big time college experience which a school like CU needs.
     
  10. Liver

    Liver modded mod Club Member Junta Member

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    calhoun has also called plays, unlike hawkins. oh, and he isn't a guy that stood on the shoulders of a great coordinator, at least as far as i can tell. unlike hawkins. and, he didn't inherit a very successful program that was already dominating its conference. unlike hawkins.

    but, other than those minor details, yeah, they are just the same. whatever. it doesn't matter. calhoun isn't getting the job.

    you worry too much.
     
  11. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

    Lt.Col.FrankSlade Well-Known Member

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    I certainly hope you are right.

    It will be interesting to see your reaction (and everybody else's) if he is named head coach.
     
  12. SECOBuffsFan

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    Calhoun is not leaving Air Force for Colorado....he is an Academy guy and will be there for quite some time...he is not a ladder climber like Bzdelick and if he was he would have taken the Tennessee job last year. I also find it funny how quick you guys are to judge the guy...his Air Force team did a hell of a lot better against OU than Colorado did this year...and if I remember correctly he has been to three straight bowl games and is ready for a fourth. CU would be lucky to have a high quality guy like Calhoun on board.
     
  13. HotRack

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    If anything, the OP showed what a weak conference the MWC is. Majority of AFA's wins come not only against losers, but MWC LOSERS!
     

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