Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by buffalofart, Apr 24, 2011.
Yeah I don't see him as a NFL QB. I loved when Gruden shot off a play and Cam just looked dumbfounded.
It can go the other way, too. There have been guys like Vinny Testaverde, Brett Favre and Terry Bradshaw who have had good to great NFL careers despite being dumb as a post. Favre, for example, didn't even know what a Nickel Defense was.
I think Newton is Russell 2.0
I've seen his interviews and shows and he doesn't seem like an NFL QB to me....
A prime candidate for 1st round bust.
I don't think he has the same lack of work ethic but Newton has the potential to become another Jamarcus Russell. Tremendously talented physically but lacking QB skills for the pro game. Will he be able to read coverages, make pre-snap reads, learn a pro playbook, and make the throws against pro DBs who when beaten don't stay beaten.
In addition to that he has to deal with coaching turnover, media access, contract situations, etc.
On top of all this he is going to have the weight of being some franchises savior and the coaches and media are not going to coddle him. Instead some will look for reasons to tear him apart.
He may become a superstar but I wouldn't bet my future on it if I was a GM.
Beat me to it.
I've thought of him as JRuss 2 as well. Freak athlete. Not NFL qb. Put 'em at tight end
I'm having a hard time buying any of the 1st round QBs this year. The success rate for 1st round QBs is around 50% anyhow, but I think this year feels like 2002 when teams were drafting QBs as a need rather than on talent (David Carr, Joey Harrington, Patrick Ramsey).
Who would you draft with a top 10 pick at QB? I wouldn't draft any of these guys.
-Blaine Gabbart: didn't do anything at Missouri to convince me he's worth a 1st round grade.
-Cam Newton: athlete playing QB, only one year production, and too many character questions to be a top 10 pick.
-Ryan Mallett: All the comparisons to Derek Anderson are pretty accurate. Give him an all-pro O-Line and he may have one or two pretty good years but anything less and he'll give you a 42.1 QB rating.
-Jake Locker: He's like Tebow without the intangibles and with a less accurate arm.
-Andy Dalton: Low ceiling, high floor. Third round talent. Chad Pennington 2.0.
Honestly, why would anyone draft these guys above a Patrick Peterson? You might as well wait and get a guy like Christian Ponder, Ricky Stanzi or Colin Kaepernick in round 2 or 3 who I think have almost as much chance to succeed as that group.
Jruss was far more of a character risk than Cam. If Cam gets the rigth coaching, no reason he can't succeed.
I don't think Cam's stupid or the next Russell. It's obvious that he was given a very simple playbook to work with, maybe because he only had a year to work within Malzone's offense. It doesn't necesarily follow that he will be incapable of learning an NFL offense, but he won't be ready to be thrown into the fire immediately. He'll need time to learn, but he isn't stupid like russell, or a drug addict. More like tebow.
I think Cam Newton is Daunte Culpepper 2.0 in terms of career success. Similar tools, keep in mind Daunte's huge years were in Minnesota with a ton of weapons, other than that a fairly mediocre QB, but better than Jamarcus Russell.
I think all three of the guys you listed are examples of something I've believed for a long time. Most first round QBs success is highly dependend on the situation they go into. Draft them late in them first round and they go to a team with a pretty decent O-line, some recievers, and coaches who have been successful and aren't worried about losing their jobs mid season.
Carr had a lot of talent but led the lead in getting hit and sacked almost every year. By force of habit he developed a habit of launching the ball and ducking after a three count. He also threw a load of picks trying to make big plays because taking risk was the only chance he had to get some wins. Harrington went to a franchise with a decades long record of being pathetic, he had virtually no talent around him as well. Ramsey was very talented but needed at least two years of being a back-up to develop NFL skills and reactions. Instead he got stuck starting for a team that would have lost 9 games no matter who was the QB.
I don't see anybody in this years draft who is talented enough to overcome getting stuck on a bad team, some may end up on quality teams and develop into quality starters but none look to be saviors.
The thing is, there are some nearly sure bets in the draft, and do you really want to take a gamble with #1 money? You could always put him in a WR or slot, but for that he'd go much lower.
I'm not overly high on Newton. I just don't think he has the throwing ability to do all that well in the NFL. I see him as a bigger Vince Young, with more work ethic and hopefully more intelligence.
Gabbert has nice tools, but I think he's a reach in the top 5.
Locker is probably the best value since he doesn't seem to be going overly high in any mock drafts I've seen. He seems like a good leader, good athlete, played in a pro style offense. He has some accuracy issues, but I think those can be worked on. He's ridiculously accurate while rolling out, so his pocket inaccuracy is probably a footwork issue.
Mallett is going to fail imo. He just doesn't seem like a leader. His arm is obviously amazing and he has worked in a pro style offense, but I just don't see the intangibles in him.
I'd much rather trade down to the bottom of the first round and get Dalton/Ponder than most of these guys. Or get a top guy and trade back up from the 2nd round to get one of them.
Even a "smart" spread-QB with athleticism isn't going to be an automatic NFL success. See Alex Smith.
Cam Newton is not as fast as Michael Vick, therefore he will not be able to dominate the defense when the play breaks down.
He is not a "pure passer" therefore he will throw into too many double coverages, misread the defenses, and throw many interceptions.
He is not a "student of the game" and therefore will not "outwork" his opponents in the film-room, which is the only place a QB can "outwork" his opponents.
He is more Pat White/Dan LeFevour than Vince Young, IMO.
Colin Kaepernick is a Josh Freeman type guy, who has surprised me so far but I didn't think was NFL-starter QB coming out of college.
I would stay away from him in nearly every situation, unless it was Philly and they had a place to trade Kolb, but even then it would 3rd round or below.
About the only QB I would have confidence in becoming a quality NFL starter in this draft is Ryan Mallett. Dalton looks good at times but probably needs the right type of offense to be successful. Aside from those two, not a great year to be drafting a QB, IMO.
If he doesn't have a J-Russell-esque work ethic, how hard would it be for him to be a serviceable NFL QB? You guys make it sound like rocket science here. He has all the physical attributes for the game, with proper coaching he should be ok.
Cam's Dad is a POS who went for the money. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Enjoy your 15 minutes Cam, 12 are already used up.
Cam Newton was kicked out of UF for stealing laptops and after being caught cheating. Do you know what you have to do to get kicked off the team at Florida?? The police found Carlos Dunlap passed out at a stoplight on a major road in Gainesville - 1 game suspension. Chris Rainey was arrested for aggravated stalking and making a death threat to his girlfriend - 6 week suspension.
To think that guys like Cam are considered top picks while guys like Jimmy Smith are labeled as "character risks" is sickening.
If I were a GM, here is what I would do, invite Cam to the facility, tell him we wanted to do an interview and seat him in a room with a two way mirror. Leave a copy of the playbook, a glass of purple drank, and a laptop with internet access in the room. After you seat him, leave the room for aobut 20 minutes and watch what happens...then you would know whether to draft him or not.
Newton can throw the ball better than most guys coming to NFL this year. Everyone is a project at this point. The QB coach, the OC job is to coach him up and get him ready for the NFL. After saying that i won't draft Newton, Gabbert, Locker in the first round. They are all developmental guys, that can either be bust or great. They are 3rd or later round draft picks. You can call Newton dumb all you want, the guy has talent, he is talented enough to win the Heisman trophy and National championship.
After reading the thread title I thought this would be a lot worse.
Then why did you click on it you dirty perv?
Cam Newton cannot make the throws necessary to be successful in the NFL. The fact he is being considered for the #1 overall pick is laughable.
Next year's draft class is MUCH better. Luck, Barkley, Ryan Lindley, Nick Foles, etc.
It was chronological. Throw in Carr, Harrington, Leaf and Sonny Sixkiller if you want.:lol:
As are a lot of other NFL failures
I still don't understand why you take him or gabbert over mallet though. Makes no sense to me.
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