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Changes for the 2012 Recruiting Indexes

Discussion in 'University of Colorado Recruiting Archive' started by Buffnik, Feb 6, 2011.

  1. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    I'm happy to hear any suggestions that others might have, but here's what I think when I look back on the past year of our AllBuff recruiting coverage:

    1- we do one hell of a good job collecting information on who CU is recruiting and relaying updates on where those guys are in their process

    2- we did a better job in 2011 than in 2010 of following in-state recruiting, but there is room for improvement

    3- we did ok in our first year watching Pac-12 recruiting and this should get better, partially because we are more often competing with these schools for recruits (unlike the Big 12, which didn't often match up all that well)

    4- we have too many pinned threads. I'm going to work on combining several of them to make it easier for everyone to quickly find the information you need. (One example is that the current football roster will move to the football forum.)

    5- sometimes I think it's confusing if prospects have been profiled without any clear knowledge that they're being recruited by CU. I'm going to have a separate, complete, index of in-state prospects this year and the CU Recruit Profile Index will only have a link to an in-state kid if he has been offered, invited to visit, or otherwise known to be on the CU radar.

    6- if you're not a mod, please don't make a profile unless there is a reported CU offer. We don't need the Index cluttered with guys who said they were interested in Colorado when they made their Scout profiles... but are Sacramento State level recruits. If there's no offer but you think it's a guy we should keep an eye on, please PM me, Boulder Buff and/or Alferd Jasper with the heads up.

    7- I was thinking to make 2012 the main forum prospects starting March 1st. I figured this would give a little time to finish this class if we're adding any guys after NSD (like we did with Terrel Smith last year). Also, ESPN doesn't even have its 2013 prospects databased yet while Rivals and Scout are months away from having anything substantial.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. AlferdJasper

    AlferdJasper Well-Known Member

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    What if a kid has not been contacted by CU, but we think he'd be OUTSTANDING. Is there a place for guys we want to track, while we monitor whether the CU coaches and the player find each other?

    I'm cool with there being another thread for "Under the Radar/Over the Top" players who might not end up at CU... is there any interest in that? Sometimes I think rabid fans are as good at finding those hidden gems as the coaches are - because we are less focused on any particular aspect of the roster or any part of the country, we might find some interesting guys.

    should that just be random, or do you want to put it in a standing thread (not necessarily pinned?)
     
  3. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    If they're in-state, they go in the CO Prep Index.

    As far as whether to do profiles on out-of-state, no CU link, but someone thinks we should follow him... those profiles can be created and put in the main index at the discretion of the mod team. I question how much interest there is among our members to weed through dozens of threads not knowing which are actually relevant to Buff recruiting. And I certainly question how little I enjoyed going through and making rating updates every month for dozens of guys I knew we weren't really recruiting. So let's leave it as a judgment call for the mods and keep it to a minimum.

    (On specialists, go for it. I think that's different. Your opinion is as good or better than any of the "experts" and your only bias is for CU to find players that will help us win. I'm totally cool with using the Specialists area to track a number of available guys who should be targeted, especially since there are a lot of walk on opportunities there.)
     
  4. AlferdJasper

    AlferdJasper Well-Known Member

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    I got it. And I'm guilty of creating some of those threads, I'm sure.

    What I meant is a thread where we can throw updates and almost mini-profiles of other players, before they are on CU's radar?

    We could encourage people to put their "wouldn't this be an awesome guy" comments in one long thread - not that they would follow it every time, but we could try it. Like whoever 2012's James Wilder Jr or Jadeveon Clowney turns out to be - we might not have a chance, but we might want to see what he's up to. Or if we hear about some amazing, NON-Colorado kid, such as Treyben Letlow, I'd stick it there.

    Now, if I'm the only one who would care to keep all that in a thread "Under the Radar and Over the Top" players ... that's cool, too. I know that people could just keep starting threads when they find a tape of a guy who cartwheels into the endzone or can lift a heifer on request.
     
  5. AlferdJasper

    AlferdJasper Well-Known Member

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    CU will never ever need to recruit another specialist in 2012 and 2013. Our current guys got it covered. :thumbsup:
     
  6. DesertDawg526

    DesertDawg526 Resident Dawg Club Member

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    Thanks to the mods for doing such a great job, seriously.:thumbsup:

    What I would propose, would be to potentially include a 2nd sticky in the recruiting forum for "Notable PSAs" or something along those lines.

    Maybe a recruit isn't interested in CU but other Pac-12 teams. It would allowing those interested enough to peruse the thread scouting PSAs who may likely be committing to other Pac teams. Doing so allows a good comparison to what the competition is recruiting, and could help those unfamiliar with the Pac to see the level of athletes that are being recruited to the conference. I think some people will be surprised at the number of Pac teams pulling in elite athletes, and how the Pac is becoming a much stronger national conference in the near future...

    Just my $0.02. Don't click the sticky if you don't care to... and make it clear which PSAs have CU's interest and vice versa, and make it clear about potential elite PSAs regardless of their school interest... the mods could choose how much to vet the recruiting profiles for these.
     
  7. Heywood

    Heywood The actual El Guapo Club Member

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    I second DDawg, the mods do a great job here.

    As for the recruiting 2012, I agree with Nik when he said
    "I question how much interest there is among our members to weed through dozens of threads not knowing which are actually relevant to Buff recruiting."

    Which is why I posted a thread about "who has CU offered". While there may be 5 Qb's who are interested in CU I wanted to know who we offered so I could check up on those guys with the most potential to be here next year and not have to read about the rest unless I had the time.

    I would appreciate if it were easier to tell which players are really in the picture. It is interesting to see what other players are out there that people on All Buffs are excited about, but it would be nice to easily differentiate between the real prospects and the youtube wet dreams. Perhaps those posts have a sticky or a title (maybe "youtube wet dream #34 DT CA '12).

    All in all I am very happy with the site and if nothing changed I would still love it. But if change is in the works that is my input.
     
  8. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Maybe we could add an asterisk to the Profile title in the Index if the prospect has a CU offer?
     
  9. DesertDawg526

    DesertDawg526 Resident Dawg Club Member

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    I agree with your initial thoughts that there should definitely be a dedicated forum to PSAs who have listed an interest in CU. An asterisk in a free for all forum would not be as good, unless it was in addition to a dedicated CU PSA forum....

    $0.02
     
  10. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    You're asking for an entire forum for public service announcements?

    At this point, i'm not even sure what you're talking about. I was talking about making it easy for people to know whether CU has offered a guy without having to open his profile link.

    Regarding chatter on what the conference is doing, I though that the Pac-12 thread did a pretty good job of that. But there's not all that much interest unless we're talking about specific recruiting battles CU is involved in. In those cases, we're talking about it within the profiles.
     
  11. Heywood

    Heywood The actual El Guapo Club Member

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    I think an asterisk or "(offered)" would suffice in the recruit profile index. That way I know that I can go to the recruit profile for all of the good scoop and look to the rest later if I am interested.

    The index is already the best source and I think adding that final level of info out front would eliminate any need for classification of the other profiles and posts. If everyone knows that you can get all of the relevant info about our recruits from the index, then you know by default the status of other posts in the forum.

    My only thought is that an "*" might not be as easy to notice or as clear as "offered" or something of that nature.

    keep up the good work.
     
  12. AlferdJasper

    AlferdJasper Well-Known Member

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    ^^^^
    This is what Buffnik is suggesting. We keep the recruiting forum "clean" by listing only those athletes who either have CU offers, or have expressed an interest in CU that appears there is a chance of being reciprocal. (I think the words "CU offer" is easier to understand than an asterisk, myself.)

    I can go along with the consensus -- my second question is:
    if we are tracking an athlete (and does PSA mean Potential Student Athlete?), who does not show CU interest himself, and does not appear to have a CU offer, do you want a new thread for each athlete, or do you want one longish conversational thread where posters can dump whatever random information they have on players that year?

    Do you want to limit the recruiting forum to only CU's Potential Recruits, or have a separate designation for other PaC12 recruits (who might not care about CU, but who we might play sometime), and/or what do we do with any riff-raff non-CU candidates about whom there is curiosity? Any guidelines for that?
     
  13. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Focus needs to be on CU recruiting. That's priority 1 and 1a for our recruiting forum. But there is enough interest in the in-state recruits as well as our Pac-12 competitors that they're worthwhile to cover. I brought up the topic because I thought we lost focus a bit this year and it was hard for people to care which prospects really mattered for CU recruiting. We can't lose site of that and get distracted. That's what drives this site and this forum.

    Besides, if a prospect doesn't fall into one of those categories (CU, P-12, CO), I can't for the life of me understand why we'd spend any time covering him.
     
  14. AlferdJasper

    AlferdJasper Well-Known Member

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    Hope.


    Not trying to be a pain here, I agree with you on keeping the forum stricter.

    Just asking, do you want a structure for non-CU guys that are longshots (like when people say, why can't we get a guy like this...) that those posts are all thrown into one thread, or a series of threads,
    or should people still just randomly make a new thread on some guy they think is interesting?

    I have to say, a couple of the guys who signed LOIs were guys I thought "no way, no f'n way is he coming to CU."
    But it was great that someone had them on the radar when they became CU prospects, as unlikely as it seemed at first glance.

    If only mods start threads in the recruiting forum, but we want people to participate, I vote for some other mix-mashed, goulash thread where random, interesting, pie-in-the-sky recruits can be discussed. The clutter could be kept mainly in that thread and give people a place to go a little bit off the reservation, not on a CU recruit's actual thread.
     
  15. Clean Undies

    Clean Undies Flagship of the 12-Pac Club Member

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    The one upgrade that would help a bunch is the addition of a recruiting table.
    One the table is a bunch of columns for name, position, origin, status, & hyperlink to the corresponding profile thread.
    Being able to sort the table alphabetically, by position, or by geography would help.

    A more robust indexing structure is one way to get Allbuffs to the next level.

    My 2 cents.
     
  16. BehindEnemyLines

    BehindEnemyLines beware the habu Club Member

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    If there's enough interest in players that have not expressed an interest in CU, and have not been offered, perhaps another sub-forum would help. It would keep that year's regular recruiting forum a little cleaner since the threads would be about players with CU interest/offers (hypothetically). Sometimes, its amusing to look at various recruits who we probably have no shot at -- players in the dream-scape and other folly category -- just to see who's recruiting them and other news.
     
  17. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    We'll just put those guys in the CU Recruit Profile Index as we always do. We're only talking about a handful of guys we do that with every year. You're thinking about a guy like Villi Moala, right? I did that profile because he was a highly-rated DT (position of need) from California (our recruiting grounds) who Tui had recruited while at Arizona, and we knew that he'd end up at a Pac-12 school if not at CU. There was no knowledge that CU was recruiting him and we may never have even contacted him, but it was logical enough to think about that it was fun to speculate on and it generated some interest (people posting in his thread).

    Mod discretion, but let's be sensible. An unrated safety from Indiana, for example, would end up being a profile with a line in the Index and a 1 post profile thread. Not worth doing just because the kid said he had some interest in CU when he filled out his Rivals profile. Those are the ones I'm trying to avoid. Conversely, a 5* safety from outside our recruiting zone with reported CU interest but no offer may be worth profiling because it might be fun to bitch about and speculate on.
     
  18. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    That's the point. There's not interest. We probably had 30 profiles this year with no replies and nothing worthwhile to update.
     
  19. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    I completely agree.

    If I could create Tables in AllBuffs, it would kick ass for things like the Roster Eligibility Breakdown, a Depth Chart, and especially for things like the Recruit Profile Index, CO Prep Index, and Pac-12 Recruiting Tracker.

    I'm going to ask the admins about this. Thanks.
     
  20. BehindEnemyLines

    BehindEnemyLines beware the habu Club Member

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    Darn. I hate when I miss the point.
     
  21. Burrito Palazzo

    Burrito Palazzo huff my smug Club Member

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    I don't know squat. You may have already gleaned this by my posting. But, I have two thoughts here:

    1. What's our intent? Obviously CU recruiting is a primary, but it appears from previous threads that we may, to some extent, track every kid in Colorado that may have a shot at D1 ball. Is it a goal to make allbuffs an in-state recruiting resource? so,
    #1 is a list of CU-offerred recruits.
    #2 is the CU wish list (out of state) or "under the radar" types
    #3 Colorado D1 caliber athletes that have not been offerred by CU

    2. If that's the case, and we provide that platform, why not let the athletes update it as well as us updating it. (is that some sort of violation?) Stats, offers, etc...

    I see kids with their own websites, scout & rival pages, calihigh.com, etc... I remember AJ talking about kids who could play football, but didn't know how to play the recuiting game. Could this be another avenue for kids?
     
  22. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    :smile2:
     
  23. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    I don't see AllBuffs ever becoming a site like ScoutingOhio.com that has players doing their own updates. They do some editing and sell access to college recruiters. Pretty cool concept and maybe "ScoutingColorado.com" is something I'd start some day if I ever quit my day job.

    But AllBuffs is focused on the Buffs. In-state prospects get extra attention because they drive some traffic and a number of people here have legit interest in CO preps. However, I always try to keep in mind the mission of AllBuffs and that is to provide a platform for Buff fans to hang out and discuss the Buffs. I look at in-state football/basketball prospects who aren't CU candidates much the same way I look at our politics forum. There may be a pretty active table at our AllBuffs sports bar talking about it, but it's not the main conversation at the central bar area. It belongs at a side table people can avoid if they choose to do so.
     

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