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Coaching experience & resumes...and Hawk

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by CenturyBuff, Oct 20, 2010.

  1. CenturyBuff

    CenturyBuff Member

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    Any hire that we make is not necessarily guaranteed to right this ship after Titanic Dan is gone (which game this year will be his "iceberg"?). Not Mac, not EB, McElwain, Calhoun, etc.

    But reading thru the threads on all of the prospective coaches, I see one thing that each at least can bring to the table (I'm not including Logan in this!): generally pretty damn solid resumes and coaching or coordinating experience. EB doesn't have that coaching/coordinating experience, but I do like his recruiting ability and NFL credibility he could bring. The debate of course, is who's resume is best for us in Boulder.

    That's where we missed the boat on Hawk in 2006. We glossed right over his experience and salivated at that 53-11 record at Boise.

    Hawk's coaching experience prior to being the HC at Boise:

    1998-2001: Tight Ends/Special Teams -- Boise
    1993-1997: Head Coach -- Willamette
    1992: Def Coordinator -- Sonoma St. University
    1988-1991: Off. Coordinator -- College of the Siskiyous (Calif)
    1986-1987: Head Coach -- Christian Brothers High School (Calif)
    1984-1985: Head Freshman Coach/Linebackers Coach -- UC Davis

    Am I missing something here??? Hawk's resume is lengthy, but not very distinguished (to play off Top Gun, of course). Actually, it's not distinguished at all...

    Let me know if I'm wrong, but maybe this resume might very well explain the lack of smart gameplanning and game time decisions we've seen here game after game since day 1 (Montana St). Really, what kind of coordinator x's and o's smarts did he bring with him?? We got snookered when we hired Titanic Dan.

    At least with the names that seem to be on our list, there is hope for us going into the PAC. We will see better decisions made and maybe some of our players can be fully developed, resulting in what we want: Wins!

    Thoughts?
     
  2. BuffLuKe

    BuffLuKe Club Member Club Member

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    Ive only heard of a few of those. Hawk has some things going for him though. He has more nicknames than Apollo Creed. He also isnt scared to go for two lol.
     
  3. CenturyBuff

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    He must be car salesman smooth in an interview. Maybe he should now be coined "Dealin' Dan the Two-Point Man"-- oops that should go in the nickname thread...
     
  4. Sexton Hardcastle

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    I thought after firing GB that the program needed a players coach like Hawk. They both seem to be polar opposites of each other. Gary is an excellent coach that knows the game, but seemed to clash with a lot of his players. While Hawkins is definitely not the game day coach, he does seem to be a players coach imo.

    Hopefully we can find some kind of balance with our next coach. :lol:
     
  5. Liver

    Liver modded mod Club Member Junta Member

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    a few things...

    first of all, i don't think hawkins is a players coach at all. in fact, i think he appears to have difficulty relating to anyone who isn't a joe lunch bucket over-achiever. but, i admit that this is just my perception and i am totally jaded at this point. so, i could be way off, of course.

    second, his resume really isn't that bad. what it lacks is big boy coordinator experience. gb, just for example, came up in a sorta similar way, but he jumped to the bigs and worked his way up to coordinator in the bigs and then got the hc gig at northwestern. hell, i played against a gb coached team in hs. he was a hs coach too.

    really, if you have to narrow it down, i think where we went wrong with hawkins is that he had no actual experience in big boy football. bsu is a feel-good story, but they don't run a gauntlet of stud conference teams every year. and, they don't have to recruit against ou and texas, for example. and, the quality of the coaching is not the same. in the bigs, you've got really, really good coordinators at the major programs. bsu and hawk faced off against mostly minor league coaches. pederson was probably the nuts and bolts whiz of the operation, but i am not at all sure that he would make it in the bigs either. maybe. maybe not.

    the moral of the story: get a guy who knows what it is like at the highest levels of college ball and has had to face lots and lots of high quality coaching and talent and pressure. get a guy who has served in various capacities in the bigs. and who has a proven ability to recruit against other majors. and get a guy who KNOWS your particular circumstances, including conference and recruiting zones.
     
  6. CenturyBuff

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    That's definitely part of the point I was making: Prior to Boise, the level of competition was not there at all, not even close--the minor leagues, as you said. Take that in conjunction with the lack of real coordinating experience and the lack of quality assistant coaching, and you have the current situation: Poor gameplanning, poor game decisions, etc.

    I think a great example of this is in the red zone every year. Each year under Hawk, CU has been in the 70-80% range in converting red zone opportunities (the high was 80% in 2007, which ranked 72nd nationally). This year we're 75%, 96th in the nation.

    My other point is that with the most likely candidates, they immediately bring much more credibility and experience to the table that what we've had for 5 years, and I'm excited about that prospect.
     
  7. Del

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    I wish Woody would stop pumping Calhoun and Logan. I don't want either of these guys because they haven't been in the big leagues in a big coaching roll.
     
  8. CenturyBuff

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    Interestingly, his article today is on Bob Stitt at Mines. http://www.denverpost.com/paige/ci_16392371

    Paige wrote: "However, Stitt hasn't gotten a sniff from major colleges looking for a razor-sharp coach. His name was suggested to CU coach Dan Hawkins for an offensive assistant's job. Hawkins had no time for an interview. Stitt might have saved Hawkins."

    I'm not advocating Stitt at all, but his accomplishments at Mines are impressive. You'd think that if Stitt was mentioned to Hawk as some sort of offensive assistant, that Hawk would at least talk to the guy. Maybe Hawk thought that Stitt's resume from a small school doesn't qualify him for D1 football...oh wait, that would DQ Hawk, too!!
     

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