Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Duff Man, Feb 17, 2013.
My two issues with the staff are Adams coaching both RB's & TE's apparently, and the addition of Neinas to close out the staff.
I just don't understand why you would have one guy over RB & TE, never heard of it before, and just screams bad staff composition. Like he's shoehorning guys into positions because he can't find the guys he wants or he's desperate to keep "his guys" on staff.
And Neinas has been around the game a while, and with his dad's connections, it worries me that this will be his first BCS job. That and I was hoping Mac was still considering an RB coach to fix the Adams situation.
Disagree. This staff has a lot of continuity and that was something we did not have under Embree. There was a lot of in-fighting between the staff (namely Rip and EB). Embree may have had better position coaches but we upgraded in a big way in HC, DC, and OC. Familiarity can be a very good thing to have when you are rebuilding. The ST hire is a bit confusing though.
Andy La Russa:
I like this staff. The know how each other work and they did a damn good job turning around SJSU. The HC learned defense under a HoF NFL coach and comes from a coaching family. We complained a bit about not having younger guys on the staff to relate to kids, well we now have Walters, Clark, La Russa, Adams, and Lindgren. We shall see on August 31st.
This staff has numerous coaches who are astoundingly inexperienced as both asst coaches and recruiters, with no pedigree whatsoever and completely lacking in experience at the BCS level. The addition of Chuck Neinas's son as an assistant, though he has a suspect coaching history, smacks of classic cronyism from the good-ole-boys network and is a perfect icing on the cake for this staff.
Most CU fans on this site wanted Embree and staff gone at any cost, and they helped create that outcome by table banging and threatening to cancel season tickets. Now it's time to live with the outcome of allowing Bohn to hire another football coach.
I have no issue with bringing along guys you trust, but can we stop spinning the "continuity" angle? You hire a new coach and supposedly give him a big-time budget for hires and this is how it turns out?
I keep hearing the argument that recruiting will improve as we start winning. Well, let's play out a hypothetical... say we win four games in 2013 and then six games in 2014. Certainly not a huge stretch if MacIntyre is the coach we are all hoping him to be. At that point, CU is in a bowl game. Do you think we are suddenly going to get looks from the true difference makers? You know, the guys that help you make the leap to the next level? Color me skeptical.
As presently constituted, this staff has a ceiling at the BCS level.
And yet, with all that, they won at a place that was almost shut down for poor performance before they got there. How curious. Rialto will never respond to this, of course, because that would require the kind of backbone he lacks. Despite all the respect and personal connection I had to Jon's Coaching staff, some of them didn't have deep coaching resumes either, and neither coordinator held that job at the college level, so don't piss on our legs and tell us it's raining when it comes to experience. These guys coming in aren't to blame for the mess in the past.
I'm not a huge fan of this staff, but if your scenario plays out, and especially with MacIntyre's emphasis on recruiting in-state, maybe the better in-state guys stay. That would be a start after a decade in which they've had little reason to.
I just responded to the question of this staff. The fact that they had ONE good year at SJSU means little to me. If you don't think there are red flags with the current staff as presently constituted in a very good BCS conference, I'm not sure what to say. I do agree there were serious problems with the DC and other coaches under Embree, but he was planning to rectify those mistakes until Bohn cut him off at the knees.
Hawkins had a great recruiting class after his 6 win season, although it fell apart later. I think if you aren't a joke like we have been, it won't be that difficult to recruit to Boulder.
Lol, ok Joel. Embree was terrible, worst coach in CU history
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At least be consistent. You posted the following after Brown was hired at Alabama:
You basically bashed CU fans for not believing Brown was a good coordinator and now you are essentially agreeing with that premise? Huh?
I just want to see some signs on the recruiting trail over the next couple years and I will be willing to be more patient. If the visitor lists over the next couple years is a carbon copy of what we saw after MacIntyre took over, there should be concern.
You mean we may not have another 1 win season??? Ohmigod, what have we done?????????????? :wow:
Reading back through this thread, my first post is a bit harsh because I absolutely do believe we made significant upgrades at HC, OC, and DC. Embree was a first timer as a head coach (with no coordinator experience), Bieniemy was a first timer as an OC, and Brown was essentially a first timer, considering he had one year as a co-coordinator under Mike Stoops, a defensive-minded control freak.
Now we have MacIntyre with three years of head coaching experience (and two years as a defensive coordinator), Lindgren has four years of experience as an OC, and Baer has 24 years of experience as a defensive coordinator.
Pretty remarkable contrast at the three most important positions.
I appreciate you responding. Yes, these guys aren't BCS tested, true. But the problems in CU football are systemic, and they go well past whoever is in the HC office, and probably past the AD's office. Gordon Gee was the last president that got it, making what success Neu and Barnett experienced all the more amazing and the Hawkins train wreck and Embree screw job none too surprising. It looks like Mike Mac may get better support from the suits upstairs, but it's still the same suits so I will reserve judgement.
Because his "I don't know" quotes really gave people assurance that he knew what to fix :rolling_eyes:
You are definitely your generation's DBT, 'Tini.
I think we've pretty much covered all the angles on how bad JE and company were as a coaching staff, no need to rehash all of that. The question remains of whether the replacement staff is what we were hoping for or expecting. Hopefully the standard for these new guys is greater than being able to out-perform the last staff. Now, Big Mac and the fry guys haven't coached a single practice, let alone a game, so I'll continue to give them the benefit of the doubt; definitely some head scratchers though.
But lots of experience turning around POS programs. I wish Mac had spent some money on more experienced staff, but I'll trust him until given a reason not to.
My first thought was I was the voice of reason days after MacIntyre was hired re: the staff. :bowdown: My view was wildly unpopular yet obviously not unfounded. This is NOT a staff worthy of $2.6MM. Not even close
And do you know the total salary or are you just making assumptions that all $2.6M was used?
Is $2.6M the full budget? Are they spending the full amount??
If we used the full $2.6M, then that would be a heck of a feather in the cap for the 'fire Bohn now crowd'.
Not sure, but the language of the contract made it seem like it would be a minimum of $2.6MM. If we fall short of that, something happened. Either MacIntyre couldn't attract high quality coaches or we didn't actually want to cough up the money
Just because you have $2.6M to spend does NOT mean it is all spent and without anyone knowing the salaries, you're just making really stupid assumptions. You have a certain amount of money for rent, food, utilities, etc. each month. Do you spend it all every single month? I know I don't.
It is not unreasonable to think that, given the public nature of the information regarding the size of the assistant pool, that the staff is being paid close to the entire pool. There are many reasons to believe that the athletic department would be pretty much locked in to paying something close to the figure that became public.
Bohn threw out the $2.6MM number for assistants because he obviously thought it was important. So either MacIntyre hires a staff and the salary pool is below that... or it's not and we still have the same staff. Either way it looks like a fail on paper right now. We came up with that # to try to lure bigger and better assistants and it obviously didn't work
Sigh...it's a simple budget question. I mean, I don't know why it's so tough to understand. We have no figures for salaries so quit making assumptions that all the money was actually used in the process. When we have figures then we can actually discuss this but right now it's making assumptions with only one factor.
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