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Cody Split wide-direct snap

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Highflyer, Sep 4, 2007.

  1. Highflyer

    Highflyer Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    I think it's been mentioned, but it's worth repeating.

    That play is probably one that is designed more for B-Jax than Sumler. While I've heard that Sumler can throw the ball, I have to think that they were getting that play on film so it would give the future opponents one more thing to have to think about. Yeah, they ran it one or two too many times, but the first few times it was effective. There's more to that play than first meets the eye. If B-Jax is ruled academically ineligible, then I don't think we will see that formation much more this season
     
  2. Junction

    Junction Moderator Club Member

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    I agree there are more wrinkles designed for that play. But after watching several games this weekend, it also seems to be the hot trend around the country this year. Clemson was running it some last night, and I saw 3-4 other teams running some version of it too. Arkansas apparently was running it with McFadden last year, and apparently lots of other teams are trying to duplicate it. :huh:
     
  3. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

    Lt.Col.FrankSlade Well-Known Member

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    But I don't understand that play.

    NO DEFENSE is going to consider Cody Hawkins any type of threat. I saw someone post the other day that splitting Cody out wide forced CSU to move a linebacker out to cover Cody. Watching the replay- I didn't ever see a linebacker follow Cody out to the WR spot. Rather, the first time a safety moved over, and after that they didn't really shift at all.

    Wouldn't it be more effective to just run the RB over there? The RB IS a legitimate threat that the defense would respond to. Cody Hawkins split out wide is not a threat. First of all, its questionable as to whether a non-QB could throw the ball. Then it's questionable as to whether the ball would even get there. And finally it's questionable as to whether Hawkins would be able to catch the ball.

    That may have been a "give them something to think about" play - but I think it could have been run ONE TIME and it would have given future opponents something to think about.
     
  4. Lord Helmet

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    Its a setup for later in the season. I hope anyway.
     
  5. leftybuff

    leftybuff Iconoclast Club Member

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    You are right, it is worth repeating, see above.:thumbsup:
     
  6. Liver

    Liver modded mod Club Member Junta Member

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    they are trying to cause confusion, both in the game and on the film.

    they install a specialized scheme for each opponent that includes the usual stuff that every staff does (i.e. looking for areas where you think you have a scheme or athletic advantage or where you see strength v. weakness) but also more than that.

    they want to give a defense a lot of different looks and formations so that the d doesn't feel comfortable. the "base set" of plays that CU wants to run isn't going to change all that much, other than trying to run the stuff that you think gives you an advantage v. a particular opponent (altho they will add a few new plays for each game, i suspect), but the "look" that the defense sees with be changing from week to week.

    cody split out and the direct snaps are things that make the defense think and hopefully hesitate. i suspect we will see some new and different looks v. asu and then a ton of wild **** against fsu.
     
  7. KingPants

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    It was a stupid play, but they got pretty good yardage on it every time except the last time.
     
  8. Bone Buff

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    Running these plays now threatens this later, (first play):

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTguLmX-0Is"]YouTube - Boise State Overtime[/ame]

    And the package is designed for B-Jax.
     
  9. mattybuff

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    People.....Calm down. You are waaaaaaay over thinking this play. Sure it could set something up in a game later this season and it could also be designed for BJax. But why would they use it and show it if Bjax wasn't even suited up.

    Its much more simply. The D has to recognize the QB outside and use a man to defend him, therefore, the D is going 10 v. 10. If each man is blocked, then the RB has to make 1 man miss. (PS: this is all Hugh Charles is good for, making a man miss with speed)
     
  10. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

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    matty--

    watch the replays. CSU wasn't even covering Cody. It wasn't 10 on 10. It was 10 (CU) on 11 (CSU).

    No team is going to devote a player to Cody Hawkins split out wide. Nobody.
     
  11. mattybuff

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    Of course they did, Frank. Watch an LB slip out or a CB push over.

    If they don't push over is when you will see a throw.

    Guys, the coaching staff isn't stupid and didn't do the play for ****s and giggles.
     
  12. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

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    You really think they are going to throw the ball to Cody Hawkins? Seriously?

    I like the kid. He's got guts. He's got moxy. He might wind up being the offensive MVP for his leadership and his effectiveness at QB when it is all said and done. And that is all the more reason why he is not going to be split out wide and be a legitimate pass catching threat.
     
  13. Crash Davis

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    If the defense disregards the QB enough times then you might see them try to throw to the QB. I remember the Broncos doing essentially the same play a few times in Elway's early days.
     
  14. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

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    Elway was also a 6-5, 220lbs QB who was widely regarded as one of the best running QBs in the league.

    There's no doubt in my mind that they ran that play to set things up for later in the year. Just like there's no doubt in my mind that they ran that end around play with the handoff to the wide receiver and the fake to the RB to set things up for later in the year.

    I'm just not convinced that the same play had to be run 5 times in the game for it to be on display for future games.
     
  15. NYbuffDIEHARD

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    Another wrinkle from that formation is when cody goes out wide they snap the ball cody steps back and gets a pass behind the line of scrimmage and then throws the ball.

    Just gives future teams something to think about.
     
  16. sackman

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    I freaking HATE that play. It cuts the field in half and takes away half of your available receivers. Plus, it's really easy to defend. Gah. I hope they never try that. ever. :sad2:
     
  17. absinthe

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    would you be against the play if it were Bjack who caught the ball and had the option to run or throw?
     
  18. sackman

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    You misunderstand me. I hate the play when the QB splits out and catches a lateral to be thrown downfield. At best you have a TE and a WR in the pattern with a reasonable shot at catching the ball. The RB was just used to lateral you the ball, and your other WR is on the other side of the field. You probably want the FB over there to provide protection from the inevitable LB who has the QB in his sights, too.

    To answer your question, it was obvious to me that this was a play designed specifically for B-Jax. In spring ball, he ran it very effectively, too. I won't be disappointed if he's running the play.
     
  19. Kameltosis

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    He's having problems?
     
  20. Bone Buff

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    Last I heard he needs to complete a correspondence course from the summer before he can play.
     
  21. Kameltosis

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    Eh he'll be alright I think. I didn't know that though. He's still technically elig. though right?
     
  22. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

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    He isn't practicing or anything- so I think he probably technically is NOT eligible, at this time.
     
  23. Kameltosis

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    Why aren't the coaches on his ass?
     
  24. wsp4820

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    There are two things going on here. First, yes the CSU defense did have to put someone on Cody. And, the potential reward isn't a quick throw out to him, but if you get the guy who does step out on him to commit to the backfield Cody goes deep. Yes, it's a gimmick and not a high probability play, but he'd be all alone down the sideline with no safety help.


    Second, even if the play has absolutely no wrinkles involved, they averaged about 4-5 yards every time. That's a great average for a running play. Why not keep doing it if you are getting half the yards you need for a first? If the other team starts to shut it down, either throw in the wrinkle or move on (i.e. the end around which did jack squat after the first time), but if not, keep going with what works.
     
  25. SJBuff

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    They are hoping to find out late this week or early next week (in time for FSU). He's not gonna play against the sundevils.
     
  26. L Buff

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    Here's why.


     
  27. west coast

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    i kept waiting for some sort of a twist, as is about the 10th time Cody runs out who the **** cares. Then we go barrelling into the line with no element of suprise. Kind of looked silly
     
  28. Frijolin

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    You could have sumler lateral it to Cody on a screen, where you have a player bust up on a fly pattern FTW!
     
  29. Gateway

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    I don't think those trick plays will work for long. They've already been seen and if they line up like that again, the d's will be ready.

    I think the wad has been shot on that play.
     
  30. AustinTxBuff

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    There's two problems with that play. First, the offense never set for a full second before the one guy went in motion, so that should have been an illegal shift penalty. Also, the guy in motion was moving towards the line of scrimmage when the ball was snapped. This ain't Canadian football, that should have been an illegal motion penalty.

    I hope if Hawk plans to put a play like that in our playbook, that he coaches the players on the rules, 'cause these are surely going to get called on us.
     
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