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CU football: Toby Neinas seeks strong start for Buffs special teams

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  1. BuffClass90

    BuffClass90 Banned BANNED

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    http://www.buffzone.com/ci_26403818/cu-football-toby-neinas-seeks-strong-start-buffs

    "According to research by the CU sports information staff, CU ranked eighth nationally in kickoff coverage, 40th in punt coverage and 25th in kickoff returns over the final nine games of the 2013 season."

    Interesting. I did a YoY statistical comparison of all 3 phases of the game and posted it here on Allbuffs - ST showed no improvement. However, there appears to be some masked data, because if you back out the first 3 games, it appears we did improve quite a bit. Now with Lindsay at KR, I expect some real excitement on kickoff.

    Go Buffs!
     
  2. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Crazy that the ST stats look good when you only look at our Pac-12 games from last season. Need to be strong in the opener this year.
     
  3. Uncle Ken

    Uncle Ken Orr no morr Club Member

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    Better be seeking a strong start this year. Dude got clinic'ed by CSU last year.
     
  4. Liver

    Liver modded mod Club Member Junta Member

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    i can't handle more special team gaffes, man. it has been years since we've seen even mildly competent unit play.

    where is the riddler now? i hope he's got a backup career lined up.
     
  5. BuffNut99

    BuffNut99 Club Member Club Member

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    Refreshing to hear coaches being accountable for their unit's performance.
     
  6. Uncle Ken

    Uncle Ken Orr no morr Club Member

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    I blame stress for mine.
     
  7. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    If you take out awful games, he is a great coach.

    BTW, that KR yardage stat is very misleading.
     
  8. absinthe

    absinthe Ambitious but rubbish. Club Member Junta Member

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    Kind of like when AZ analyzed last year by taking out the games Embree got blown out in and take away the ones MacIntyre won there was no progress year to year.
     
  9. SBG

    SBG Formerly known as EFNMB Club Member Junta Member

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    Hmmm. No one on this site would do that ever!

    We almost won at Texas 7 years ago if you don't count pick 6s and PRs that go for tds.
     
  10. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    at the least, special teams improved despite harder competition as the year went on. That's a good sign.
     
  11. mdelpizzo_1

    mdelpizzo_1 My Dixie Wrecked Club Member

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    Thread will be bumped if it happens again this year.
     
  12. Clean Undies

    Clean Undies Flagship of the 12-Pac Club Member

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    If you take out the losses, CU is undefeated...going back to the 1890's.
     
  13. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    I agree that selective statistics are bunk. For instance, I always have a huge problem when people say things like, "If you take out those two 60-yard touchdown runs, he averaged under 4 yards per carry today."

    But in defense on this one with STs, the Buffs played against better competition in the final 9 games than in the first 3. Also, it points to improvement over the course of the season. It could be random that the stinker ST games just happened to occur in games that were in the first quarter of the season, but I doubt that.

    Also, while I'd say that STs are almost always at their worst at the beginning of the year and that everyone improves... the fact that we're talking about ranks takes that out of the equation since it's relative to the rest of D1. Most everyone may have improved over the last 3/4 of the year, but the Buffs improved more.

    We'll find out on Friday whether it's a legitimate long-term turning of a corner.
     
  14. HotRack

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    I think he's at Arkansas State with Harsin now.
     
  15. White_Rabbit

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    Didn't we try to use a lot of walk-ons/non-starters on ST the first couple of weeks and then figured out we had to use starters.
     
  16. absinthe

    absinthe Ambitious but rubbish. Club Member Junta Member

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    Ironically this happens to dozens of teams every season
     
  17. White_Rabbit

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    Lets hope we aren't one of them for the second year in a row..
     
  18. sackman

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    The facts are there for everybody to see. In Embree's first year, he had a better conference record than MacIntyre did in his first year. Those are undeniable facts.
     
  19. sackman

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    Special teams does seem to be a point of emphasis for this staff. It did appear (to me, at least) that there was some improvement in this area last year as the year went on. It would be hard to not improve after the disaster of the first game. Nevertheless, a passable special teams would be an upgrade over what we've had since Mason Crosby was here. We can't be starting all of our drives at our own 15 yard line, and we can't be allowing our opponents to start all their drives at their 40.
     
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    I get the feeling that there is a dislike of Neinas. I assume that dislike stems from the fact that his dad was involved in hiring Hawkins and a perception that he pulled strings to get his son this job. If that is true, I think it is unfair.
     
  21. Buffnik

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    Block some kicks, have great coverage and get some returns this year and Toby will be loved.

    Bottom line business.

    P.S. I don't think the family connection is at the base of this. He's got good connects in Colorado and with the specialist gurus like Sailer. The issue is that it was the last staff addition and many believed that we needed a RB coach who was also an ace recruiter. Since HCMM went with a ST Coordinator who doesn't coach a position and doesn't have a rep as a P5 recruiter, then that decision is open to question... especially when we saw a decline in the team's statistical ST rankings last season and the ST performance almost cost us the CSU game.
     
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    I get your dry humor, but for those who don't: I dislike anyone who is incompetent and is not qualified to do a job. Neinas didn't have the experience to get this job, has proven he doesn't know how to recruit, coach, or make necessary changes in a game. The fact that he was probably brought here through nepotism is just embarrassing. If his dad got him the job and he was GOOD, then nobody would care. But there lies the rub.
     
  24. Duff Man

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    I am going to guess CU wishes this particular puff piece had not been written. Neinas is a joke. One that only his Dad finds funny.
     
  26. BuffLuKe

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    Only one on special teams that showed up was ONiell
     
  27. leftybuff

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    With both feet.
     
  28. buffedup

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    Troof. O'neill was a stud.
     
  29. buffedup

    buffedup Cooler than a Popsicle Stand. Club Member

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    Yeah, but when is he going to kick with both feet at the same time?
     
  30. GoonieBuff

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    O'Neill was great. I just can't believe how bad our kick return team and kick coverage teams still are. We hardly ever look like we have a remote chance at breaking one, and the other team almost always looks like they might.
     

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