Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by JimmyBuff, Aug 11, 2011.
Please God, no.
STFU Dennis Dodd
I will subscribe to TLN just to keep them out of the Pac
He's glossing over the revenue sharing. That was/is/will be the major impediment to them joining the PAC.
I shouldn't have worried. This says it all. In the first place, the Pac 12 doesn't "more or less" share revenues equally. It completely shares revenues. And no, that's not something that can be "worked out" just because you're Texas.
Texas' arrogance is mind bottling. They're trying to dictate their entrance to the Pac. We simply can't let them anywhere near our conference. Even if they agree to our terms, they'll always be trying to change the rules. They simply are not worth the headaches. Nobody is. Let them do whatever they want to do, just keep them the hell away from us.
Well UCLA needs a whipping boy...
If Texas wants in, Larry Scott and the rest of the schools will allow it.
No they won't. Scott already said Texas wouldn't be invited and wouldn't the schools have to have a 12-0 vote in favor of them joining? I just don't see The CU prez voting for UT.
**** this. **** Texas. Go **** yourself Texass.
Never say never. The odds of Texas joining are not good, but they are better than most Buffs fans think IMO.
$$$$$$$ talks. Texas would bring more money to the Pac 12. The Presidents ain't stupid
I'm not crazy about it but I'm just looking at reality. Tech, UT and the Oklahoma schools will eventually be in our conference someday.
So does the past. UT has ruined two conferences and I don't think Scott nor any of the presidents want that either. UT is much more trouble than they are worth, as we saw in the Big 12 and SWC.
The only good news is I think there is no way they go to 16 unless UT comes, so we at least wouldn't be throwing recruiting overboard.
I just don't think the Pac-12 would put up with the demands of Texas to bring Texas Tech along (if, god forbid, the whorns join the Pac). Texas Tech is complete ****. If we must ruin the luster of the Pac by infesting it with midwestern schools, let's do it with as much dignity as we can and bring KU along instead of Tech. I think the Pac is in position now to have the leverage to tell UT that TT is not coming along for the ride.
Kansas might go with the Big East schools. Better basketball league.
Kansas isn't going to go to the Big East over the Pac. Not a chance. They'll head to the Big East if need be, but the Pac is clearly higher up in the pecking order. Remember, it's football that makes the $$$, even for schools like KU. Plus, UCLA and Arizona have a little hoops history of their own
Can't we ****ing enjoy one season in the PAC 12 without hearing this crap. Go away Texas. You had your chance.
Hoping this is just summer rumormongering that spiraled out of control since nobody in TX can even step outside (and away from their comps) due to the heat they've been having down there. August 22nd might go past with no announcement, the season will start, and everyone will STFU with this crap.
One "detail" that can't be glossed over:
The Pac 12 regional networks are 100% conference owned.
Converting the LHN into one of the regional networks (supposedly a UT-TTech network) would require the conference to purchase the LHN from ABC/ESPN.
ABC/ESPN would have to be a willing seller, and the Pac 12/14/16 would have to be a willing buyer.
So, if ESPN wanted to sell their recently launched network, I'm sure they would want the same $300 million (or whatever they invested to start-up the network and purchase the rights). That would mean each Pac-16 member would have to absorb $18.75 million just to bring this regional network into the fold.
That would mean the "added-value" number for the addition of Texas would now have to increase the per-member share of the current TV contracts, and ALSO absorb the $300 million network purchase. That would mean that four new members would have to increase the total package by $1.6 billion with NO additional revenue gains for the existing members. So, could the four new members bring $2 billion at the minimum to kick in something extra to the pot.
Well, our current primary rights are owned by ABC/ESPN and Fox. Why would ABC/ESPN contribute $1 billion to own 50% of the expanded Pac-16 primary rights where they have to let some of the primary content fall to the conference owned network; when they can just ensure the status quo by spending the $60 million per year thru 2016 to retain the primary Big 12 rights and $300 million to completely own all things Longhorn?
ABC/ESPN might be facing some problems right now getting distribution for the LHN on a national scale, but at least they own 100% of the content. They are not so stupid that they would spend more money to get less premium content. If they were smart they would target the Big 12 members about starting up "regional" networks to air their third-tiered content and continue to pay them bargain prices.
I could see ESPN trying to work out some sort of equity swap deal to trade their equity in the LHN for a stake in the PAC Networks...not real thrilled about that idea at all since we own the new stuff without giving up an equity stake. They'd have to take a REAL hard look at the numbers to see how they compared...and that's assuming Bevo didn't come in demanding an increased piece of the pie. The other alternative is the LHN becomes a regional affiliate that swaps content with the PAC Network (and has cross network programming) but where the revenue buckets stayed separate, they'd also likely need to cut in Tech in with UT. Not sure how that would work since ESPN was clearly planning on trying to market Bevo Net nationally so it would screw up their numbers projections and have redundant programming with the PAC network.
I just don't see the conference going back on the equal revenue sharing to get Texass. If UT were willing to equally share the pie and fall into line with the other schools, then they'd absolutely be in.
In the end though, it comes down to whether UT (and 3 other schools) is going to bring in at least $80 million/year. Otherwise, it's a step backwards in terms of revenue per school for the Pac. Possibly would need to bring in even more given ScottyBuff's points on possibly needing to buy out the rights to the TLN to bring into the fold.
The Pac 12 presidents/Scott are not stupid. They see what havoc Texas wreaks on a conference. The only way Texas gets an invite is if they adhere to the same rules as everybody else. Money talks, but not when it is absolutely obvious that giving in to any of UT's demands is selling your soul.
I don't want any of them unless Baylor comes along too
we are going to be making $25 to $30 million very shortly. How much more value does adding Texas and their trolls get us. If it is anything less than $15 million a year, I say we tell them to take a hike.
The swarming mass of UT fans around me are praying for a Big 12 disintegration. They're ga-ga over the idea of going independant. I think they would like to see themselves as a secular Notre Dame.
And Tech.....I would hate to think that we would be missing out on trips to Waco and Lubbock
Scott never said such things
**** off Dennis Dodd. You shut your mouth.
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