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Dick Weiss: Big Ten targeting Pitt, Rutgers and Syracuse

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by JimmyBuff, Apr 22, 2010.

  1. JimmyBuff

    JimmyBuff Well-Known Member

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    So if they add those 3 what would be the other 2? ND and Nebraska?

    Conference breakdown with Big East teams only:
    EAST
    Pitt
    Syracuse
    Rutgers
    Penn State
    Ohio State
    Michigan State
    Michigan

    WEST
    Purdue
    Indiana
    Northwestern
    Illnois
    Wisconsin
    Minnesota
    Iowa

    Actually not a terrible 14 team conference there..
     
  2. chipwich

    chipwich Administrator Club Member Junta Member

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    Hey Munchie, have fun playing in the Conf USA :lol:
     
  3. Mick Ronson

    Mick Ronson Well-Known Member

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    this is kind of the scenario that makes sense to me, some. however, i'm pretty sure we're nearing the point where *all the possible scenarios* will be floated and the earth will consume itself in fire. alpha, omega.
     
  4. sackman

    sackman Club Member Club Member

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    Rutgers. Seriously?

    I really don't think adding Rutgers is going to have the impact that the B10 believes it will. I suppose time will tell.
     
  5. UrbanaBuff

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    This stuff is so fluid. The Rutgers boards have been lit up lately with rumors that Pitt has been dropped from contention, due largely to their poor TV potential.
     
  6. SINKRATZ

    SINKRATZ Club Member Club Member

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    Talk about a lopsided conference, Ohio St, Penn St, and Michigan in the same division? In that scenario:

    Big 16 East : Big 16 West
    as
    Big 12 South : Big 12 North
     
  7. SINKRATZ

    SINKRATZ Club Member Club Member

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    DS too. Did he officially end up at Cincy?
     
  8. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    not yet afaik
     
  9. BlackNGold

    BlackNGold Club Member Club Member

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    Ultimately expansion is about making more money for the existing members. If the pie increases by 10% but you are feeding 30% more mouths then it does not make sense. I think fans bases are much more enthusiastic about expansion than some of the ADs and University Presidents. This is why I expect the CU to the PAC 10 thing could get tripped up. The Big 10 just wants a championship game and needs another team to make it work out.
     
  10. tante

    tante Club Member Club Member

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    I wonder if the Big 12 will follow suit by raiding the MWC and adding Utah and TCU. all we hear about is a PAC 10 expansion, why not the Big 12. Adding both those teams would make it a much stronger conference.
     
  11. JimmyBuff

    JimmyBuff Well-Known Member

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    I can almost guarantee Pitt will be going if the Big Ten takes more than one.. The Big 10 will want an academic school profile like Pitt to be in its conference if it is expanding over one team..


    I'm not sold that Rutgers will be part of any Big 10 expansion... I think UCONN adds just as much and is a better athletic program than Rutgers.. Syracuse being included will bring in the New York market..(yes, I know Syracuse isn't in NYC and is in the western part of New York but many alums live in the city)
     
  12. JimmyBuff

    JimmyBuff Well-Known Member

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    What does TCU add? We already have 4 teams in Texas... I say Utah is a definite choice but not sure where else we would expand.. Pluck off Louisville if the Big East crumbes? Take New Mexico to balance the North/South border?

    It would be great if we could add Utah and Arky but I don't see Arky leaving..
     
  13. chipwich

    chipwich Administrator Club Member Junta Member

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    That's :bs:. Rutgers is about 25 miles from NYC. The NYC local media (newspapers and and TV) cover Rutgers they don't talk about Syracuse.
     
  14. JimmyBuff

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    I dispute that they follow Rutgers.. NY Times, NY Post, NY daily news really cover Rutgers? I don't see any link/category in the NY Post that has Rutgers on it.. I see the Devils/Nets but no Rutgers..


    College sports isn't very big in New York other than basketball at times.. And last I looked Rutgers doesn't have a basketball progarm.
     
  15. chipwich

    chipwich Administrator Club Member Junta Member

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    http://web.sny.tv/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090910&content_id=6893900&vkey=2
     
  16. BlackNGold

    BlackNGold Club Member Club Member

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    Do they make it financially stronger? What is the advantage for the Big 12? The Utah TV market is okay but is it going to offset having to feed 2 more mouths?
     
  17. CarolinaBuff

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    Rutgers is not and will not be that big of a draw in the NYC area, even if they were to join the Big 10. Syracuse or ND would be a bigger attraction to the NYC market than Rutgers.

    Also, from the article list above:

     
  18. Mick Ronson

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    re: the quote (above).....every native and transplant New Yorker I know thinks anything west of the Appalachians is either Provincial or "fly-over" country or where knuckle-dragging red state, pre-historic man lives. I don't see how that will make them all-of-a-sudden interested in Midwestern football (heck, I love college football and I can hardly watch the early ESPN Big 10 games on Saturdays...without having a concurrent project, a healthy start on the beers, and muting the the TV in favor of tunes).
     
  19. Junction

    Junction Moderator Club Member

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    You might want to look a little more often...

    :lol:

    They aren't great in basketball, and I think even their football program has to be a bit questionable as far as what happens if Schiano moves on... But I think they're competent enough and good enough academically that the Big Televen could justify taking them if it gets them enough TV sets....
     
  20. chipwich

    chipwich Administrator Club Member Junta Member

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    Here is some info from my cousin who lives in the heart of Manhattan. Basically NYC loves a winner but it's mainly a pro sports town.


    [FONT=&quot]Rutgers football gets a lot more coverage since Schiano took over. Much more than Syracuse football at this time.

    Syracuse hoops gets more than Rutgers hoops. Seton Hall hoops also gets more local coverage than Rutgers. Though I'm guessing a successful season or two could change that. St. John's is still the number one hoops team in terms of coverage, even when they're horrible. There are a lot of Cuse and UConn fans running around though.

    I would say since Schiano, Rutgers has gotten more football coverage than I can ever remember. Especially the Ray Rice team that almost went undefeated. Rutgers women's hoops team gets more coverage than the men. It's really about who's winning.

    I think Rutgers can be considered the metro area's college football team. But not basketball. That said, it's a pro town. The only college team that can really grab the city's attention is St John's hoops, followed by Rutgers football to a lesser extent. Not an easy question to answer in just a couple of sentences. And I'm not sure I even answered it. [/FONT]
     
  21. chipwich

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    Here is some info from my cousin who lives in the heart of Manhattan. I asked him about Rutgers coverage in NYC. Basically, NYC loves a winner but it's mainly a pro sports town.


    [FONT=&quot]Rutgers football gets a lot more coverage since Schiano took over. Much more than Syracuse football at this time.

    Syracuse hoops gets more than Rutgers hoops. Seton Hall hoops also gets more local coverage than Rutgers. Though I'm guessing a successful season or two could change that. St. John's is still the number one hoops team in terms of coverage, even when they're horrible. There are a lot of Cuse and UConn fans running around though.

    I would say since Schiano, Rutgers has gotten more football coverage than I can ever remember. Especially the Ray Rice team that almost went undefeated. Rutgers women's hoops team gets more coverage than the men. It's really about who's winning.

    I think Rutgers can be considered the metro area's college football team. But not basketball. That said, it's a pro town. The only college team that can really grab the city's attention is St John's hoops, followed by Rutgers football to a lesser extent. Not an easy question to answer in just a couple of sentences. And I'm not sure I even answered it. [/FONT]
     
  22. El Gringo

    El Gringo Pura Vida Club Member

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    Bottom line is that CU is waiting to be asked to dance, but can't make any overtures to the Pac 10. We may wink or blush in the general direction of Pac 10, but we still wait.

    If the Big 10 only looks east, our chances of going to the Pac 10 are very slim. But if the Big 10 plucks one or more from the Big 12, our chances of going to the the PAC 10 increase significantly.

    The big 10's delay for another 12 to 18 months is also not a good thing. We need the Pac 10 to come courting this summer, and the now the Big 10 is stalling. That's bad news for those who want to move to the Pac 10.
     
  23. SINKRATZ

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    I don't see the link between who the Big 10 goes after and CU's chance of moving to the Pac 10. The Pac 10 is going to invite whoever will bring the most to their conference - how does the Big 10 going after a Big 12 team improve CU's chances?

    And it seems like we're all assuming that the Pac 10 is waiting for the Big 10 to make the first move - that doesn't make sense to me either, these should be independent decisions.
     
  24. sackman

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    :yeahthat:

    I'm not sure that the Big 10's plans have much bearing on what happens with CU, frankly. It could give CU more or less leverage, though. If, for instance, the Big 10 goes East, then CU has more leverage with the Pac 10 because the Big 12 hasn't been impacted. If the Big 10 goes West, then CU's hand is forced somewhat. We want to be the first chip to fall, not the last.
     

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