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Donation Idea (especially for protestors)

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Buffnik, Apr 8, 2010.

  1. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    I was giving some thought this morning to an issue that really plagues CU athletics. We talk a lot about how it's so difficult to get athletes cleared by admissions (especially JUCOs). We also talk a lot about how we're going to incur APR penalties for players leaving while academically ineligible or missing seasons for being ineligible. This spring, we've even got Givens and Max missing spring practices to focus on academic issues (both needed the practice reps).

    So, what can we do?

    I know a lot of people that usually buy season football tickets and/or donate to the athletic department have decided not to renew this year and/or reduce donations. It's your money and I believe it's speaking loudly. Buff fans expect a winner.

    As fans, we have a way to help make it more likely that our players are eligible, we're not losing as many guys to academics, and the academic side of CU is much friendlier to our athletic department. If we have reduced contributions, let's take that money and put it toward academic support. At the same time, we can also help fund recruiting efforts.

    Donate to the Buff's Club "Student Athlete Excellence Fund": Contributions to this fund provide operational dollars for travel, recruiting, academic support, equipment and other essential tools and resources needed by our coaches and student-athletes.

    Here's the link to the Buff Club contacts: Buff Club

    We can protest the product while working to improve it, right?
     
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  2. absinthe

    absinthe Ambitious but rubbish. Club Member Junta Member

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    or **** donate to Skiing, Cross country, womens soccer. You can name where your donations go.
     
  3. The Guest

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    Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

    And play directly into DiStefano and Benson's hands? They are betting the farm that there isn't a significant link between athletics and broader support for the university. They believe that athletic programs don't tie the alumni base to their alma mater--or if they do, the effect is negligible; you'd like to buy into that belief.

    By upping your academic donation, you'll simply validate the CU Administrations' point and eliminate further need for an athletic program.

    I'd argue you should do just the opposite of what you're suggesting. I know that academics are more important than athletics. But in the long run, it all matters. A financial vote FOR academics at this crucial moment in our Athletic Department, is actually a vote AGAINST athletics.

    Again, DiStefano/Benson bet that they could support academics without athletics. Why would want to support that viewpoint?

    [video=youtube;WrjwaqZfjIY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY[/video]
     
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  4. absinthe

    absinthe Ambitious but rubbish. Club Member Junta Member

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    Wally-

    That fund only supports academics for athletes, and goes through the foundation. "Academic" fund raising of the type you are discussing is done by the school independently of the AD/foundation and none of the resources or data are shared.
     
  5. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Wally, it is an athletic donation. This is for recruiting and academic support efforts for our athletes. It's not the general fund and it's not going to an academic department.
     
  6. BeBe

    BeBe Club Member Club Member

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    I have to disagree, Walrus. That's not how I read Buffnik's suggestion. He is suggesting giving to the "Student Athlete Excellence Fund" , not to academics. That particular fund is there to ONLY support athletics and student-athletes with things like money for travel, academic support FOR STUDENT ATHLETES ONLY so they can do better in classes and other athletic resources.
     
  7. The Guest

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    Quit piling on you people! I didn't understand, okay! ****!
     
  8. 92Buff

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    ...and one more thing... :smile2:
     
  9. Junction

    Junction Moderator Club Member

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    I"m not sure if anybody has brought this up yet, but the fund Nik is suggesting donating to is actually an athletic department fund, it's not a donation to academics. The money would go to support athletes, not to the university at large....
     
  10. Buffarino

    Buffarino Math - how does it work? Club Member

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    I'm not giving any money anywhere in the AD until they straighten this **** out. It will hopefully be short-term, but changes are going to have to be made to get me back. I think sending the money elsewhere sends a bad message.

    For instance, say you give money and designate it to be used only for cross country. What does Bohn do? He reduces the allocation from football to cross country and you effectively gave money to the football team.

    It sounds good in theory, but any money given to the AD, even if it is specifically designated to go to another program, is the same as giving it directly for football, IMO.
     
  11. tante

    tante Club Member Club Member

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    how about you support the men's b-ball program. They at least show signs of life.
     
  12. Buffarino

    Buffarino Math - how does it work? Club Member

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    It all funnels back to the same place. That's the problem.
     
  13. ScottyBuff

    ScottyBuff Well-Known Member

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    Then stop paying your taxes because some of that funnels back to CU as well.

    Seriously, the "scorched earth" approach to being a fan of the football team so that the whole university suffers is a little out of hand.
     
  14. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    What message are you trying to send, though? I assume that your message is that you want a commitment to winning. Men's basketball has momentum, a good coach, and improved facilities/support (new court & locker room, addition of S&C coach, etc.) with more on the way (practice facility). Supporting the Men's basketball program, and letting them know why you've moved your support to basketball from football, sends a very clear message.

    And Men's basketball is cash flow positive, so it's not money that reduces the burden on football's expense sheet: http://www2.indystar.com/NCAA_financial_reports/revenue_stat/show?school_id=20
     
  15. Buffarino

    Buffarino Math - how does it work? Club Member

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    It's a short-term solution. Hopefully it will last for one year.

    And it's the only freaking voice I have. They clearly don't want to listen to what we tell them, so this is the only other way I have of letting them know I'm pissed off.

    I'm not telling anyone else how to spend their money. If others want to give, they should. I'm just saying designating $$ that would have gone to football to another sport or area within the AD accomplishes nothing because it's still in the big AD pot of money.
     
  16. Buffarino

    Buffarino Math - how does it work? Club Member

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    At this point, my message is "**** you. **** you for blaming fans for problems you created. **** you for the bunker mentality where you consider fans part of the problem. **** you for not listening to anything we said."

    We are the lifeblood of the AD. I don't expect them to bow down and do what we say, but they've gone the other route, to open defiance of the fans. Whatever the reason, I don't really care. I want a commitment to winning and I want the demonization of the fans and those who dare to point out the shortcomings of the football program to stop.
     
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  17. fatbuff

    fatbuff Well-Known Member

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    I dont understand the logic of getting a better program by cutting support. Kinda like raising taxes to stimulate the economy.

    I almost understand the guys that dont want to appear to condone the way things are going, but this a way to avoid that and still support the program. You just want to starve them out. Do you think that it will be easier or harder to get rid of a contract with no money in the till?
     
  18. Buffarino

    Buffarino Math - how does it work? Club Member

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    It's not a long-term thing. It's short-term. But like I said, I've got no other voice and I'm sick and tired of the jokers up there.
     
  19. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Fair enough. It's your money.

    I hope your stance softens a bit. And if it does, maybe there are a couple options you hadn't thought of.

    It's damn tough being a CU fan these days.

    :gobuffs:
     
  20. Daaah

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    Wait. I don't think that Wally understood the proposition... :blah::blah::blah:
     
  21. Clean Undies

    Clean Undies Flagship of the 12-Pac Club Member

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    Bad things happen when fans approach their team with the eyes of a consumer.
    Magic happens when fan support becomes a religion.

    I've heard it said that society is compromised when people stop acting like citizens and start acting like consumers. The consumer-boycott approach is irrational because:

    - Political problems must be addressed politically.
    - Consumers don't decide what happens in the market place. They merely respond.
    - Consumer action does not create sufficient political force to change beauracracy.

    As long as a fanbase acts as consumers, and continues to believe that as consumers we can affect situations that are politically created and politically maintained, we will continue to be at the mercy of what the bureaucrats at the university decide to do.
     

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