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Embree > Hawkins?

Discussion in 'University of Colorado Recruiting Archive' started by cnbuff410, Dec 20, 2011.

  1. cnbuff410

    cnbuff410 Club Member Club Member

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    So you must have counted in kory, who got 5 Pac12 offers. and Tupou, who got obligatory bcs commit star and isn't really evaluated, and Abron....Oh wait, this guy doesn't have any other BCS offer, so he is hawk guy for sure, like Speedy
     
  2. buffsyko

    buffsyko Club Member Club Member

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    Just be consistent, if everyone bashed classes like this with so many 2 stars and projects before, it's all of a sudden a great class. Maybe abron turns out to be barry sanders, but this happens every year. When cu gets 4 star guys the ranking system is great, when it's a class with more than few 2 star guys the ranking system is awful.
     
  3. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    1. This class is like HaLk's classes in some ways, but very different in others.
    2. The differences are:
    a) Even the 2 stars have other legit offers, except for 1 or 2.
    b) the love the DL is getting.
    c) the guys we offered earlier than everyone else actually get legit offers from big time programs instead of remaining unknown diamond's in the rough.
    d) we are actually no accepting commitments. When was the last time that happened?
     
  4. BuffsNYC

    BuffsNYC Uptown Club Member

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    This is the answer. Guys can (and do) argue ad nauseum about the rating services, but legitimate offers from other BCS conference schools means that some coaching staffs with skin in the game believe that a guy can be a player. To me, that's a better indicator than a ranking from a service who loses nothing if a player doesn't pan out.
     
  5. buffsyko

    buffsyko Club Member Club Member

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    Your explanation is the best I've heard. Love the DL class and QB, just thought this staff would be pulling in more top talent to this point. Still time left, just playing devil's advocate.:huh:
     
  6. BuffUp

    BuffUp W.T.T.F. Club Member

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    I think this class is better than schlawkins ' - player speed is improving and height is improving. Other than that it's a crapshoot? they are 17 year old kids - never know what they are going to show up like - I do have to agree with the theory of other coaches are saying they will work out, probably increases odds?

    By the way - welcome aboard Mr Mosley (young Buff) !! bring your horns and get ready to compete like never before!!
     
  7. MtnBuff

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    All of this is correct and relevant in the discussion. Mosley is a 2*, he is also good enough to get an OV and an offer from Bo Pelini who knows a little about talent on the defensive side of the football.

    Which brings up the big difference between these kids and Hawks kids. This isn't a bunch of lunch bucket kids who dominated at the HS level by outworking everybody else and having a great attitude, although they may be hard workers and have good attitudes. At a minimum I don't see a kid on the commit list who doesn't look like a PAC level athlete.

    Watching last year with Hawks recruits it was amazing how ofter our kids lined up against someone who was simply both bigger and faster than they were. All the effort and attitude in the world don't help you when you man just blew past you and you won't catch up unless he eases up. We still need some difference makers, we still need some guys who have game changing skills, but unlike what we saw with Hawk I don't see any guys on this list who I think of as "to small, to slow, to weak, etc." to compete at this level.

    There is a big difference between a 2* who's other offers are from PAC schools, or other FBS schools and a 2* who's best other offer is San Jose state or New Mexico State.
     
  8. rodrigo

    rodrigo Well-Known Member

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    Own up, syko. You went too far comparing this class to one of DII's. Devil's advocate is one thing. What you did is fightin' words.
     
  9. Quattro

    Quattro Banned BANNED Club Member

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    Yup more top talent after six losing seasons in a row and three 3 or less win seasons in that span...
     
  10. buffsyko

    buffsyko Club Member Club Member

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    Okay, let's fight.
     
  11. buffsyko

    buffsyko Club Member Club Member

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    Yep, but during the season you'll say, we don't have bcs talent to compete for the pac 12...Coach em up!
     
  12. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    I know where you are coming from man, and trust me, I WILL be dissappointed if we don't land any really big time recruits (other than Dillon) in this class.
     
  13. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    e) The new staff can actually locate Texas on a map.
     
  14. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    :lol: What, Terdema and Darden not good enough?
     
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    I really like this class so far and I hope we can hang onto all the D-line players.
     
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    Quattro Banned BANNED Club Member

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    Well we don't have the talent to compete with the top of the Pac 12 but other than UCLA we didn't fare bad against the rest, although only two of them were wins.
     
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    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    This is the foundational class to get our foot in the door in many places. Hopefully it really pays off with some late big commits and in next year's class. The "it takes time to build relationships" justification has a shelf life.
     
  18. buffsyko

    buffsyko Club Member Club Member

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    You made some great points and 3 of those guys have legit bcs offers.

    Just trying to gage where everyone is at compared to previous classes. Having said all that, we expected better and we should expect better. We've all said cu has to win, so next season, this staff has to coach them up, have a winning season and keep improving recruiting.
     
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    Daaah Club Member Club Member

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    What? Did you watch the Stanford or Oregon games?
     
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    "didn't fare bad against the rest"...I seriously wonder what you were watching last season.
     
  21. buffsyko

    buffsyko Club Member Club Member

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    In fairness, he did say 'other than the top of the pac 12" :lol:
     
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    leftybuff Iconoclast Club Member

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    Yes Embo is greater than D II, that is about as close as asking whether filet mignon is preferable to a turd sandwich...on to new business.
     
  23. Quattro

    Quattro Banned BANNED Club Member

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    I'm pretty ****ing sure Oregon and Stanford are top Pac 12 teams.

    So we fared bad against Cal, WSU, and Utah? All of which are middle of the road to low Pac 12 teams.
     
  24. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    We lost two of those games, so we did not fare well.
     
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    Quattro Banned BANNED Club Member

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    And barring two last minute **** ups we win both.
     
  26. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    Post is bookmarked for the next time you bitch about Hawkins.
     
  27. Quattro

    Quattro Banned BANNED Club Member

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    Ok? Just because we lost doesn't mean we fared bad.
     
  28. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    Luckily for the rest of us, Embree hates losing a lot more than you do.
     
  29. Quattro

    Quattro Banned BANNED Club Member

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    Oh yes I just ****ing love losing.
     
  30. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    I'm sorry you accept moral victories.
     

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