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End of OOC comparison; CU Men vs CU Women

Discussion in 'Colorado Basketball Message Board' started by buff190, Dec 30, 2012.

  1. buff190

    buff190 Club Member Club Member

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    Both had very good OOC seasons and are primed for top 4 finishes in the PAC and NCAA Tourney appearances. But let's compare a little...

    ***Best Player or MVP for their team...Nominees I would say would be...
    Women
    Jeffery - 12.2 ppg, 8.2 rpg, 47/28 A/T
    Roberson - 15.7 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 11/32 A/T
    Men
    Roberson - 12.1 ppg, 12.1 rpg, 23/26 A/T
    Dinwiddie - 14.4 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 33/30 A/T

    - In a close call I give this one to the Womens teams, Chuckie Jeffery. She is an invaluable leader and scorer for the Womens team. She does everything. Rebounds, assists, scores and plays great D. Also, her experience and skill at the PG position has been, well, most valuable. Her A/T ratio is the best on both teams.

    ***Best Bench - Men (XJ, Eli, XT, SHT, Adams), Women (Kresl, Reese, Swan, Weston, A-Wil, MMP)
    - as of right now I would have to give this to the Womens Bench. It is deeper for one thing. Reese is that solid scorer you need off the bench and Kresl, when on and she has been lately can also give the team a boost. Wilson and Weston can come in and play lock down D when needed. Swan is a little awkward right now but shows flashes kind of like XJ. And of course the Senior experience in MMP is invaluable.

    ***Starting lineup - Men (Andre, Booker, Dinwiddie, Scott, Chen), Women (Jeffery, B-Wil, Arielle, Sborov, Hargis)
    - I give this one to the Mens team. Both teams play incredible defense but from top to bottom the men have more reliable scorers. I just think that in the starting 5 the women have a few more weaknesses which really makes their bench that much more valuable.


    What's fun about this for me is that I am comparing two really good teams at CU and that these, in my mind, were all really tough choices. I am no where near a Basketball expert so I would like to hear some of our resident experts opinions on these or any other other catagories.
     
  2. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Women definitely have the better bench.

    Relatively speaking, Chucky is the best player in CU basketball right now. Makes a difference that she's a senior.

    The Men's team has a stronger starting 5.

    You pretty much nailed it.
     
  3. buffgal

    buffgal Club Member Club Member

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    You did pretty much nail it. I think Ashley Wilson just might get more minutes since her knee has been scoped. She is no longer playing with so pain. That limited her minutes. That kid knows only one speed: go all out while on the court. The Wilson twins are both willing to sacrifice their body for the team.
     
  4. WizzersGhost

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    Nice little comparison, but compare skeds, too.

    I think the men have played a far better schedule of teams than the women.

    For that reason, I'll go with Dre easily over Chucky as the best CU BB player right now.
     
  5. mattrob

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    I don't even think Dre is the best player on his own team right now. And honestly, until the men beat a top10 team, it's hard to tout their superior schedule. That said, I'm just glad both teams look to be in good positions to make runs at the tourney.
     
  6. Clean Undies

    Clean Undies Flagship of the 12-Pac Club Member

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    Lappe versus Boyle?

    I'm leaning towards Linda based on the lack of preparedness shown in Lawrence by the men's team.
     
  7. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    I feel strongly that you're leaning the wrong way. Linda has the potential to reach greatness, but she's very young and still learning her way a bit. Potential is certainly there and she's ahead of where I though she'd be by quite a bit, but Tad's a couple levels above her in the coaching hierarchy. Not a knock on Linda, more of a compliment of Tad.

    P.S. The thing about the WBB coaching job that's impressed me the most this season is that Linda had an assistant leave for a HC job and she didn't miss a beat. That says a lot of good things about her and her organization.
     
  8. Clean Undies

    Clean Undies Flagship of the 12-Pac Club Member

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    When judging based upon only the results of the OOC, Lappe took care of business on the road in Illinois and stunned the world against Louisville in the keg. You can't get better than undefeated, winning decisively and knocking down free throws.

    Boyle looked great in the Charleston tourney upsetting Baylor and Murray State. But that Texas Southern game was too close for comfort. Roadies at Wyoming and KU were expected to be tough, and CU (and a gimpy Dinwoodie) looked unprepared and resigned to defeat.

    I agree that when looking at the big picture Boyle is the hotter coach (no homo), but Lappe has been the bigger surprise during the OOC.

    The conference openers against Arizona (men) and Stanford (women) will further fuel the debate. This is a good problem to have.
     
  9. buff190

    buff190 Club Member Club Member

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    This would be the toughest question of all. Both have been really, really good but I would agree with Skid here for the very reasons he mentioned in post #8. The road wins, beating the Top 10 team as well as dominating the other teams that they should dominate.

    The conference schedule will show more of course but up to this point, I think Lappe would get my vote.

    I have to admit I was less than excited with both of these hires. Now I am beside myself with excitement for the future of both programs!
     
  10. buffgal

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    I was very concerned when the assistant left. We will know the effect it had when next year's recruits start playing as the assistant that left was in charge of recruiting.

    On the court, no, Lappe hasn't missed a beat. It's just a different person on the bench. Those kids believe in Lappe. That makes a big difference. I doubt many of the players believed in KMM. It showed on the court and every where else around the program.

    Bohn got himself a good hire without having to pay the big salary in Lappe.
     
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    buffgal Club Member Club Member

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    Another one who was not excited with these hires, especially Lappe since her head coaching experience was at the DII level and the teams where she had been an assistant in DI weren't exactly great teams in the world of women's basketball.
     
  12. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Yep. Maybe it will show up in recruiting. Of course, just about anyone can recruit to a Top 25 program with a HC who is now established -- so it might not matter. Quite a lot different than recruiting to a mediocre WNIT regular with a young HC no one had ever heard of.
     
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    Let's compare apples vs oranges. I prefer oranges. Kind of a pain to peel but they taste better.
     
  14. Clean Undies

    Clean Undies Flagship of the 12-Pac Club Member

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    Adams apples and sweater oranges?
     
  15. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    I met her in a club down in old Soho
    Where you drink champagne and it tastes just like cherry-cola
    C-o-l-a cola
    She walked up to me and she asked me to dance
    I asked her her name and in a dark brown voice she said Lola
    L-o-l-a Lola lo-lo-lo-lo Lola

    Well I'm not the worlds most physical guy
    But when she squeezed me tight she nearly broke my spine
    Oh my Lola lo-lo-lo-lo Lola
    Well I'm not dumb but I can't understand
    Why she walked like a woman and talked like a man
    Oh my Lola lo-lo-lo-lo Lola lo-lo-lo-lo Lola

    Well we drank champagne and danced all night
    Under electric candlelight
    She picked me up and sat me on her knee
    And said dear boy wont you come home with me
    Well I'm not the worlds most passionate guy
    But when I looked in her eyes well I almost fell for my Lola
    Lo-lo-lo-lo Lola lo-lo-lo-lo Lola
    Lola lo-lo-lo-lo Lola lo-lo-lo-lo Lola

    I pushed her away
    I walked to the door
    I fell to the floor
    I got down on my knees
    Then I looked at her and she at me

    Well that's the way that I want it to stay
    And I always want it to be that way for my Lola
    Lo-lo-lo-lo Lola
    Girls will be boys and boys will be girls
    It's a mixed up muddled up shook up world except for Lola
    Lo-lo-lo-lo Lola

    Well I left home just a week before
    And I'd never ever kissed a woman before
    But Lola smiled and took me by the hand
    And said dear boy I'm gonna make you a man

    Well I'm not the worlds most masculine man
    But I know what I am and I'm glad I'm a man
    And so is Lola
    Lo-lo-lo-lo Lola lo-lo-lo-lo Lola
    Lola lo-lo-lo-lo Lola lo-lo-lo-lo Lola
     
  16. buff190

    buff190 Club Member Club Member

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    You nailed it! Not sure why bananas weren't in this conversation though???
     
  17. CVilleBuff

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    I lean towards Chuckie as the POY at this point.

    Also, the women have the marquee win over Louisville. The men have played the tougher schedule overall, but don't have an individual win that comes remotely close to matching the WBB victory over Louisville. The only chance the men have to one-up that is beating Arizona, and regardless of what the rankings may say at the moment, I'm not convinced even that would out-do the victory over Louisville unless the men were able to win in Tucson.
     
  18. buffgal

    buffgal Club Member Club Member

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    Very true. She managed to bring in Arielle Roberson who did have a CU connection, Jen Reese, Jasmine Sborov, Lexy Kresl last year and Ky Weston, Jamee Swan and Ky Weston this season. This year's class was ranked 27th in the nation. The true freshmen are coming along nicely and we know what kind of player Arielle Roberson is proving herself to be! Double figures in every gave of her career so far! No CU women's basketball player has ever done that.

    These kids are focused and truly believe in themselves. That is half the battle. Basketball is both a physical and a mental game. CU teams prior to Linda becoming coach were so used to mediocrity, that they weren't surprised if they didn't go to post-season play. Linda is returning CU to the kind of program it used to be. I hope we keep her a long time and we get back to being a top ten team year in and year out. Butts in the seats.
     

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