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Facilities....I was afraid of this...

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by BlackNGold, Dec 26, 2012.

  1. BlackNGold

    BlackNGold Club Member Club Member

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    When I read articles like this I come away feeling that Mike Bohn has no clue.

    Facilities appear to be vaporware.

    I think that most everyone is aware that donors have to step up get the ball rolling but without a little more of a defined plan it is not going to happen. I don't want to hear about this quiet period...we are in year 3 of the quiet period. The problem is Bohn is not a closer. I have been involved in major fundraising before, and even during the this so-called quiet period you have to have a plan to sell. You usually line up your advance funding from the major donors and then announce the campaign. It does not take this long but Bohn is incapable of putting a plan together.

    I just don't see CU moving ahead until Mike Bohn is replaced. We need a self-starter in that position.
     
  2. dio

    dio Admin Club Member Junta Member

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  3. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    Ringo gets another victory. I love his conclusion that, just because funds for the next two years are already accounted for, NO P12$ EVER will go to facilities. Yes. Right. Idiot.
     
  4. dio

    dio Admin Club Member Junta Member

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    I thought this was all common knowledge. We had buyouts to pay, both to coaches and the Big12. The initial Pac-12 revenue was going to be used to balance the books. A year or two at the increased revenue, and hopefully much of the debt that RingoTroll notes is paid off.

    This should also have very little impact on our ability to bond future projects.
     
  5. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    Ya, he seems to think the fact that the debt will not be entirely paid off until 2018 or whatever means that all funds will be going to the debt. No silly, no.
     
  6. BlackNGold

    BlackNGold Club Member Club Member

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    Quattro Banned BANNED Club Member

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    Mostly cause he's king douche and is clueless on this
     
  8. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

    Lt.Col.FrankSlade Well-Known Member

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    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    Hate to give Ringo some credit here, but the onus is on the CU athletic department to actually do something. Just telling the donors to step up is not enough. Just hiring a new coach and putting it in his contract is not enough. There better be some real aggressiveness over the next few months or else we are going to be stuck waiting... again.
     
  10. sackman

    sackman Club Member Club Member

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    It's time for the AD to come clean. Show us the plans. Show us the budget. Show us how much has been raised. It's getting hard to take them seriously when all they keep saying is that we have to "step up". Time to provide some leadership.
     
  11. tsarbomba

    tsarbomba One Damn Dirty Ape Club Member

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    Or somebody--"cough" Ringo "cough"--could file a Colorado Open Records Act (CORA) request for all documents CU has on this issue, and post them online so we can all reach our own conclusions.
     
  12. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    hah. or he could do that, but not release the records and then write a slanted story designed to make CU look bad. Or maybe a few tweets to that effect. That's what he did with the Mac Contract.
     
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  13. sackman

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    Ringo needs to find work elsewhere.
     
  14. dio

    dio Admin Club Member Junta Member

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    He's just a troll
     
  15. buff4bcs1985

    buff4bcs1985 Hail to the King

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    because his understanding of the situation in myopic... of course we have debt... and this years money is tied up... but next year not so much... this really is another nothing to see here
     
  16. BlackNGold

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    The topics is facilities. You don't think that Bohn was using the Daily Camera to get the message out "Don't count on Pac-12 revenues for Facilities - it has to come from donors." Now since McIntyre was hired we have heard that same message over and over again - From Bohn, from Benson from DiStefano and from the Board of Regents. I think there is a lot to see here. After talking about facilities for years we have no announced campaign drive but we the messaging we are hearing is - blame the donors.


    People may not like Ringo, but this story is pretty plain vanilla with lots of quotes from Mike Bohn, I do not think that Ringo is manufacturing anything.
     
  17. absinthe

    absinthe Ambitious but rubbish. Club Member Junta Member

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    BnG - While I agree with part of what your saying, and understand what the AD is trying to do, I find fault with Ringo for Click Baiting with the article title, using poor math and being sensationalist. I've been told by the fundraisers for this project that part of it will be bond funded, and that cash to service some of those bonds will indeed come from Pac-12 revenues. What I think is important to understand here is what is actually available in terms of Pac-12 money to spend, and that is what the AD is trying to get across.

    Basically kiss the first 18-20 million or so each year good bye - it is already spoken for in terms of: Buy outs, debt service, increased operating expenses and the fact we used to get 9-12 million from the last conference so 2/3rds of this is not new money. That is a fair thing to put out ad our fans need to understand when they hear we are getting 25 million a year that is an average over the contract, and early-on much of that is spoken for. That is a very fair and important point - simply saying Pac-12 money cant go to facilities upgrades isn't true, saying for the first several years while we dig out there is none left to go to facilities is fair.

    So how do you counter that? (and I think we'll all agree here) Is with Donor money, put it out there that we need it, start the drum beat, start a silent campaign to net some large donors, and from there roll out full force. Lay out a picture of what can happen with donor money and without, be transparent and aggressive. Unfortunately CU moves at the pace of government - so none of this will happen soon enough.
     
  18. Clean Undies

    Clean Undies Flagship of the 12-Pac Club Member

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    Just come out and say the 6000 buff club members must kick in on average $1,400 incremental annual donations to the athletic sustainability fund on top of the mandatory ticket fees. This must be kept for 30 years.

    If that number is too high, then the fans should recruit more buff club members.
     
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  19. DBT

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    "Must?" **** that.
     
  20. Buffenuf

    Buffenuf massive tool

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    AD wants to broaden the base of donors, that's why the big call to "step up".

    I've seen this so-called "donor base" in action before (including all the whiners here) : as soon as CU announces that Solich and Co. are good for $100-150 mill, the rest of the clowns out there get a serious case of "Oh gee, you shoulda called me last week when I had a few bucks! Now I'm busted."

    The professional fund raisers at the Foundation understand this too well and they're carefully advising MB on how to proceed. Rather than having no clue, MB has the pros from Dover running the dialing-for-dollars aspects of this deal. That's the Foundation's job and they are pretty good at it..
     
  21. Clean Undies

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    I call bull**** on your analysis. There is nothing "so-called" about it. The donor base is real and its writing big checks to the CUAD right now.

    We in the Buff Club just got our mailing and are on the hook to fork over our annual membershio donation by January 21st. Mine's already been sent in. It includes the manitory seat donation plus an extra couple hundred more.

    The amount sent in is similiar to an the price of a round trip airplane ticket from here to London or a mortgage payment.

    The legitimate complaint is that the athletic department and the media throws around quotes about how the donors need to step up. But there isn't a follow that says what exactly is being requested and how far along we are in the campaign.

    How much do the donors need to raise in 2013 to get this renovation going? Ten million? Twenty? Fifty?
     
  22. gobuffs58

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    i agree with you skid! i already sent in my $1800 ticket donation and $700 bucks over that..but what is the plan?..how much do we need? etc etc .. i get the message we need to step up...so far my question is for what?.. does my extra $700 send 4 staffers out to dinner?... i dont know
     
  23. tante

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    $700 is like 2 hookers and a bit of blow.
    You are awesome
     
  24. DBT

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    Buffenuf's point is that the AD does not want to send the message to donors and potential donors that, say, $100 million is in place. Doing so would, in their mind, deter average donors from donating. "I don't need to donate, they have the funds in place."

    However, as many have pointed out, what incentive is there to donate to some nebulous idea. You cannot continue to sell an idea. At some point, donors need to see what their money is going toward.
     
  25. sackman

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    If that's really his point, then he's got a lot to learn about fundraising for a capital campaign.
     
  26. DBT

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    Yeah. This entire "facilities announcement" thing has turned into a cluster ****, hasn't it? Maybe he's trying to avoid being Dick Tharp. I don't know. Also, it is very likely that Bohn is not calling the shots on when/where/how to make an announcement.
     
  27. tante

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    He could send a letter that says just x dollars from every buff donor and we can break down on an IPF. Here are some sketches on what we want to build you can pay upfront or have a monthly deduction. Or you can donate for these other 10 projects we have identified as important.
     
  28. Hugegroove

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    As previously pointed out, donors need to know up front what their paying for. This isn't rocket science. Bohn or whoever is working the facilities project need to show what is being proposed. A conceptual scope of work that details everything they have, or had in mind and a budgetary breakdown of those costs in reasonable detail, with a project schedule that displays the engineering, procurement effort, and construction timelines. I'm fairly certain their are alumni who are subject matter experts who have been involved with upgrading facilities that might offer some pro bono advice. Telling donors exactly what is needed Vs what is wanted and how they plan to do it will go further than the way they currently dance around this topic.
     
  29. CUFan

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    So far I see very little proof of "commitment" to football from the University. They increased salaries for coaches to actually be competitive with other schools. Is that commitment? The University has ****ed this up badly for the last decade, while giving little effort or support. I am not giving a dime until I see major proof of commitment from the University, any type of decent communication on the plan for CU football (and I am not just talking about facilities, I want to see an entire professional business plan that includes all aspects of the business), and some type of semblance of a coordinated fundraising and involvement program for donors of ALL levels. Right now it is the same old crap from CU. The fans give and they might receive.
     
  30. DBT

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    Your post is a prime example of the problem. They may very well have a solid plan in place. But without seeing that plan, the perception is that they aren't committed to athletics. My gut feeling is that they understand the importance of a strong athletic program and are working toward creating it. But from the outside looking in, the people they need support from are not seeing anything. The athletic facility feasibility study should be complete within the next 3 or 4 weeks. Hopefully, they are awaiting the results of that study from which they will then put a solid plan in place and, at that point, "go public" with it.
     

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