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Football and out of state enrollment

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by PhillyBuff, Oct 18, 2012.

  1. PhillyBuff

    PhillyBuff Club Member Club Member

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    One of my players (I coach a 16U soccer team) spoke to me about college and where he should look. It then occured to me that I would NOT consider CU as a viable option if my listed included large state schools.

    I was discussing with this kid and he immeditely said:

    I wont go to Penn State and any other school that wont have a chance at big time football games in the next few years. He watches gameday and is convinced that being in the top 25 will make his college experience that much better.

    I agree with him.

    This is a disaster.... and I now agree with those who say that it is NOT an Embree problem. It really is an administration problem.
     
  2. 14er

    14er “Imitation is suicide.” -Ralph Waldo Emerson

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    But we stopped 420 day.
     
  3. CUFan

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    It could be an Embree problem, but it appears to me to be most certainly an administrative problem.
     
  4. Alfred91

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    The Embree problem is really just a product of the administrative problem. Eliminate the Embree problem, and you've merely treated a symptom that will pop its head up again. Probably sooner rather than later.
     
  5. Walter White

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    I doubt many kids actually put a high priority on football when choosing their school. It's a nice bonus for some, but I highly doubt it's a real factor in making the choice. So many other obvioius things would come ahead of that: location, academic reputation, field of study, cost, family ties, size of the school, commuter school vs. "college town", friends, etc.

    There are approx 2,000 4-year colleges/universities in the USA. Only a small % have big time football.
     
  6. BuffNut99

    BuffNut99 Club Member Club Member

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    And none of them have a shortage of applications or enrollment.
     
  7. leftybuff

    leftybuff Iconoclast Club Member

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    FWIW, I began at a small liberal arts school...hated it and transferred. I had three schools identified for transfer. CU, UW and LSU...draw your own conclusions.
     
  8. Uncle Ken

    Uncle Ken Orr no morr Club Member

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    You like mammals?
     
  9. Walter White

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    Since there are 2k schools and maybe 2% of those schools have big time football, i think it's safe to say that most people didn't choose their college based on big time football.
     
  10. Quattro

    Quattro Banned BANNED Club Member

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    You're very wrong if you don't think a lot of kids choose schools based on athletic success.
     
  11. TDbuff

    TDbuff Club Member Club Member

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    That's a lot of competition for CU. Anytime you can market the University positively, as you can with athletics, it makes a difference.
     
  12. J.R. Ewing

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    I did. My Mom and counselors were trying to get me to go Mines for engineering. I made my decision to go to CU in 96. Football was a BIG part fo that.
     
  13. Walter White

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    Few do, but most don't. It's a fact if you look at the numbers--the majority of students chose schools that aren't successful in terms of athletics. Go take a survey of your fellow students. Go look at surveys. Study the facts.
     
  14. Walter White

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    So what about the entire student body of Mines? How did football play into their decision?
     
  15. Walter White

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    Walk around the CU campus. Take a class in the social sciences dept and tell me how many chose CU for football.
     
  16. Uncle Ken

    Uncle Ken Orr no morr Club Member

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    I believe there is information available regarding the declining standard of CU admissions. Maybe it's a coincidence, or maybe there's a correlation.

    Anybody out there in admissions hook me up via PM?
     
  17. Walter White

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    You are confusing you and your friends with "a lot". How many CU students post on this board vs. enrolled student population. You are a small niche.
     
  18. J.R. Ewing

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    We don't need every single promising out of state student to have a hard on for CU because of football. If winning athletics was an important factor to even 5% of the potential top out of state students, CU would see big improvements in applications.
     
  19. Quattro

    Quattro Banned BANNED Club Member

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    This

    Successful football would lead to better academics at CU due to the increased exposure which results in more applications.
     
  20. Walter White

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    Quattro Banned BANNED Club Member

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    Graph is useless without population percentage because Colorado's population in the 1990's is clearly lower than it is now
     
  22. Uncle Ken

    Uncle Ken Orr no morr Club Member

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    Help me out, and articulate the point you're making with this graph.
     
  23. leftybuff

    leftybuff Iconoclast Club Member

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    One thing I take from it is that between approx. 1958-1962, no one was enrolled at CU....
     
  24. Quattro

    Quattro Banned BANNED Club Member

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    Well if anything it disproves the point Walter is trying to make...
     
  25. BuffNut99

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    The facts are that CU's biggest application upticks have occurred in unison with football successes.
     
  26. dply

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    The biggest 24 hour non-deadline period for applications in CU's history was after we beat #3 Oklahoma in 2007.
     
  27. Uncle Ken

    Uncle Ken Orr no morr Club Member

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    I'd feel more confident in this information if you could either:

    a. State your credentials on the matter.

    b. Ended your statement with "FACT!"
     
  28. CUFan

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    End of discussion.
     
  29. dply

    dply Doble hoja Club Member

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    :lol:

    Plati pulled my credentials. "FIB!"
     
  30. leftybuff

    leftybuff Iconoclast Club Member

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    I am pretty sure dply works in the admission dept. at CU....or is in the NSA, I am not sure which.
     

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