Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Idot Buff, Jun 15, 2008.
I don't hate Coach Neu. But i did have a issue with this response.
Catching up rick? Come on. He's such a smart guy, then he spouts crap like this. Coach Mac handed you the keys to a lamborghini, and by the time you were done with this program, you turned it into a 1990 Honda Civic. Maybe i'm taking it wrong. But it sounds like he's still making up excuses for the crappy coaching job he did here.
And this SURPRISES You?!?!?!
I hear what you're saying, but remember that the core of the 2001 conference championship team was recruited by Neuheisel. I'm not sure that we wouldn't have won the conference in 1999 if he had stayed, considering the crappy job Barnett did the first year he was coach.
Don't get me wrong, I really hate Rick Neuheisel for how he left, saying he was going to stay(and telling CU that he was going to Seattle to scout out Washington for CU) and then leaving a week later, etc. That was pretty sleazy. And he was far from perfect as a coach (all those penalties in 1996 still drive me insane)but neither was Mac.
And as much as I admire Bill McCartney, his last two recruiting classes were not that great, and that hid the 1997 team hard. We were not a Lambo when Mac left, and we weren't a Honda when Barnett got here.
But I still get what you're saying, Neuheisel made too many excuses, and I'm not sure why he would want to gratuitously take shots at UW and CU when he should let sleeping dogs lie.
I don't agree the Mac comment. The team was a solid contender.
10-2 in 1995.
10-2 in 96.
5-6 in 97?
7-4 in 98.
These numbers say to me that Neu didn't recruit well here. Sure he had the 4 and 5 star kids that grabbed the headlines as far as recuiting goes, but he never recruited for depth imo. Sure we went to the B12 Championship in 2001 But you have to give it to GB. He pulled the peices together, with some of RN kids sure. But i think GB deserves full credit for that one.
Correct me if i'm wrong but Pesavento was a Juco kid that GB pulled in. Same with Chris Brown. Cortlen Johnson was Ricks RB.
Cortlen was also probably the most vitally important back on that team... certainly the most versatile. Rick also brought in Dan Graham, Michael Lewis, Andre Gurode, Victor Rodgers, and the rest of that monstrous '01 senior class, he deserves credit for that at the very least.
If ever there were an indorsement for DBT to be coach. :lol:
I think Chris Brown was better than Cortlen. Jmho.
He brought in high ranked classes yes. But it didn't translate into wins while he was here. Kinda like good ol' Throatslash. Good recruiter, average coach. He won with McCartney's kids.
He did say Colorado was a "have not" when he took the Washington job.
It's a lot easier to pass the buck and blame others than it is to step up and take responsibility. As we've seen with Rick time and again, personal responsibility is not one of his strong suits.
I can't believe UCLA gave this guy the HC job. They deserve whatever happens to them. He doesn't have an ethical bone in his body. He's always looking for the angle.
Not to mention, Dorrell wasn't doing a bad job. I will be surprised if Neuheisel is able to improve the team much beyond where Dorrell had them.
I will say that Neuheisel did the smart thing of bringing in Chow.
We were 8-4 in 98.
Rick recruited the majority of the starters on the 01 championship team(six on offense, 5 on defense, and both kickers) and a healthy chunk of the important reserves. He also recruited Ben Kelly, Brad Bedell, Moschetti, Tom Ashworth, and other guys that Gary Barnett basically wasted in 99 and 00. If GB deserves full credit for 01, that just underscores what a fiasco the previous two seasons were. That 99 team should have played for the conference title.
I'm not saying that Rick didn't have his flaws, but the storyline that Mac left things in perfect shape and the program was ruined by Slick Rick is not true.Its ancient history now, but GB used that Slick Rick stuff as his alibi for years, and its crap. But then, GB exceeded even Rick in the excuses dept. Everything was always somebody else's fault, and that ultimately sealed GB's fate.
I repeat though: I hate Rick Neuheisel. How he left in 98 was sleaze-tastic.
You keep saying the 1999 team should have played for the conference title, but where is the logic in that statement? Sure there was some talent on that team, but it didn't really seem like a complete team. That was one of the hallmarks of the Neuheisel era-quite a few talented guys scattered at different positions, but the team as a whole lacking cohesion, discipline, and toughness. I think the Neuheisel era teams really lacked mental toughness for the most part. They were prone to dumb penalties and played overall sloppy football. That starts at the very top and that's why you won't find CU fans defending Neuheisel. So you can say Barnett royally screwed the pooch with the 1999 team, but that team wouldn't have gone anywhere with Neuheisel either.
Interesting contrast between Barnett/Ricky and Hawk: In '06 when CU was 0-6 Hawk was on with Scott and Al. Scott brought up the 'these aren't your players' line. Hawk interrupted him and insisted that the day he took the job they were all his players, and he was their coach, etc. Kind of dramatic actually. I've been on the Hawk bandwagon ever since. I liked Barnett, but got sick of him blaming everyone else. Could give a crap about Ricky.
My opinion is that the 99 team had as much talent if not more than the 01 team. And furthermore, judging by the improvement from 97 to 98 I don't think its a stretch to say that a young 8-4 team with very close conference losses to top-ten teams (Nebraska and KSU) would have made steps forward the next year.And you can criticize Neuheisel as a coach all you want, but my main point was that the idea that Rick Neuheisel left the program in a shambles is simply not true.
Yep, when he jumped from CU to U-Dub, U-dub was a "have" and CU was a "have not". Now that he's at UCLA, CU and U-Dub were both programs where he could just never catch up. I wonder what excuse he'll use to throw, CU, U-Dub and UCLA under the bus once he ****s this opportunity up and some other jackass gives him yet another shot, somewhere around 2015 or so?? :huh:
I think the talent on the team when Neuheisel left was actually pretty good. And, I think that Barnett totally bombed with the transition from Neuheisel's "system" to his own. I attribute the 1999 season problems more to Barnett's inability to mesh with the new team, not to the players on the team.
BUT-- Neuheisel royally screwed CU by leaving the way he did, telling the team (and a sh!tpot of top-notch recruits) that he was leaving to take the Washington job. His leaving in that fashion left the Buffs totally screwed in recruiting for the 1999 recruiting class. As a result, the holes of the class of 1999 left the Buffs in a big lurch that was really difficult to recover from.
So, whats wrong with a 1990 Honda? :sad2:
Too bad hawkins didn't "bomb" with barnett's team in year one at 7-5.
I'm just glad Ellen is gone. I'll leave it at that.
If skippy had gotten his ass kicked 70-3 the previous year you might actually have a point.
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