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Goose & Snow Derail A Thread To Discuss Positional Recruiting

Discussion in 'Colorado Basketball Recruiting Central' started by Darth Snow, May 4, 2016.

  1. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    *cough* pianoman *cough* XT.
     
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  2. Zachsquatch

    Zachsquatch Active Member

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    You mean XT who started for the team in the second half of the season? Eli didn't contribute much on the court, but you need the token musician, and he is a Mater Dei alum.

    On the topic of this thread, yes please. A big body like DO is game altering, especially if they can create on O.
     
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  3. Goose

    Goose Hoops Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    Wouldn't consider XT a miss at all. He's what most thought he would be (note: I was higher on him than most, but smart people thought he'd be what he was).
     
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  4. Goose

    Goose Hoops Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    By rough position, here's who Tad has brought in:

    Guards:
    * Ski
    * The Mayor
    * Jeremy Adams
    * XT
    * Eli
    * Jenkins
    * J-Hop
    * King
    * Dom
    * Yaz

    Wings:
    * Dre
    * XJ
    * Fletch
    * Dustin

    Bigs
    * Ben Mills
    * Damiene Cain
    * Jelly
    * Wes
    * Tory
    * Guz

    You switch some of the guys a bit (any of the wings could be moved, etc.), but it's a rough breakdown.

    Now which group would you say has given us the most success? And which has the most misses? Adams (injuries), Jenkins, Eli, Mills, Cain and Guz are the biggest "misses" IMO. Everyone else was at least a role player for a few years (even guys like JHop and DT we got a good two years out of before they left, so I'm not sure I'd go full blown "miss" on them, but I can see why some would).
     
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  5. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    Good points Goose, but I think you have to consider XT/Stalzer as a miss, especially since Tad himself considered XT a miss and that is why we have Stalzer.
     
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    Goose Hoops Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    Maybe. But if so, there are a lot of guys who are misses on there and the only hits would be Spencer, Ski, King, Dre, XJ, Jelly and Wes. And in that case, Tad would be looking for a new job.
     
  7. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    I think we can find a happy medium somewhere that doesn't include XT as a hit. If he's a "hit" he's as borderline as they come.
     
  8. Goose

    Goose Hoops Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    What did you expect out of XT in HS? Honestly. I mean, we're talking about a low 3* kid who ended up starting roughly a full season over his four years here and played in all but one game in his career. We're not talking a rousing success, but for what he was....I'll take it.
     
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  9. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    starting pac 12 PG. He wasn't. He was a competent backup for 1.5 seasons.
     
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    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Since I'd move King to "wing" and also add in the transfers there of Chen, Carlon and Fortune... I'd say that is where Tad does his best recruiting.

    Then, I'd say that "big" and "guard" are about equal. So I give the nod to "big" recruiting since that's a hell of a lot harder.
     
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    Goose Hoops Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    Good call on the transfers. Completely spaced my mind. Although technically I could argue that since Tad listed all of those guys as guards, I should be able to too. (y)

    But, because it's harder, wouldn't that further my point? That you'd rather have Tad being able to focus on guard recruits out of HS the next two years instead of bigs?
     
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  12. JPinCO

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    Was this a self-exile? If so, I am impressed. Self-flagellation is so rare in today's modern moderator.
     
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  13. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    This is actually how I'm trying to convince myself that I like this move: "Buffnik, you ignorant slut, consider if you will that Tad can secure a winning front court of vets with this move and then focus on finding freshmen who can contribute right away at G/F where it is much easier to find college-ready 18 year olds."
     
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  14. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    how often do you call yourself an ignorant slut?

    Anyways, it's a great move, trust me.
     
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    If the state of Colorado didn't simultaneously produce two of the best bigs it's produced in decades (Scott & Gordon) during Tad's tenure, this wouldn't even be a discussion. Then throw in that Wes was willing to redshirt. Certainly, you give Tad some credit for getting them here. It's a lot easier to find diamonds in the rough at guard & wing than bigs. Our only top 150 out-of-state bigs (Tory & Siewert) came after several NCAA tourney trips.

    This debate will have more substance if/when we grow past "who you can get, not who you want."
     
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    Yes, lock down the bigs with a proven 7' talent like DO. The 1 area where teams, outside of the historically elite programs, must take a flyer on is BIG. That's why I give Tad a pass on Ben. That's why I also like him rolling the dice on Dallas. If it pans out you get to realistically compete with the elite.

    There are only 3 on the list above that were truly misses(wouldn't have gotten a scholly on any P5 roster let alone a P12 roster) and XT was not one of them as he did eventually provide quality minutes in his Sr. season. Although, it is not ideal to carry a guy for 3 years in the hopes that he'll play as a senior, XT did eventually provide a positive. XT(local kid) was similar to Knutsen(local kid) although Levi had a much better Sr. season.

    Tad corrected 2 of the 3 misses rather quickly and only let one become painful.
     

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