Has Hawkins Actually Developed Any Talent at CU?

[NuggNinja]

I saw this question posed on a blog and it really made me think. Some people are really down on Darrell Scott and Cody (to just name a few) but I'm hard pressed to think of anyone who has really gotten much better from the time they started under Hawkins to the time they finished.

 

[Mick Ronson]

Dizon and Wheatley are still the two best players to suit up under Dan...and they are Barnett guys. Hugh Charles maybe a distant 3rd best.

 

[Buffnik]

There have got to be examples. Off the top of my head, I can think of several guys that played well as freshmen, disappeared for a year or two for whatever reason, and then got back to their freshman level. But I'm drawing a blank on guys that really had a great linear progression. In fairness, most of the guys we could look at are just progressions from their RS-freshman to their sophomore years.

 

[BlackNGold]

There have got to be examples. Off the top of my head, I can think of several guys that played well as freshmen, disappeared for a year or two for whatever reason, and then got back to their freshman level. But I'm drawing a blank on guys that really had a great linear progression. In fairness, most of the guys we could look at are just progressions from their RS-freshman to their sophomore years.

I would say BJ Beatty, Burton this year

 

[Buffnik]

Burton I'd put in the group that looked good, regressed, and then got it back.

Beatty's a good call.

 

[Dunken]

I would say NO, we dont see any of them play any amount of time on the field to show the talent....

 

[buffwings]

Juicebox knows only how to teach life skills and blue collar work ethics. He doesnt know shhit about how to coach up players.

 

[ThndringHerd]

Same basic gripe I had with GnuWeasel. Guys showing up on campus looking like they should be worldbeaters by the time they were upperclassmen. Just never happened.

I think it's Hawk's whole zen thing. Good for inner peace, BAD for football.

 

[Deleted member 807]

Of course Hawkins has developed talent. The names that come immediately to mind are:

Defense
- Jeff Smart
- Jimmy Smith
- Chap'pelle Brown
- Jalil Brown
- BJ Beatty
- Marcus Burton

Offense
- Ryan Miller
- Scotty McKnight
- Rodney Stewart


Where development has been the biggest issue IMO is WR, QB and DL.

 

[JimmyBuff]

Not really and that's an indictment on his recruiting and his piss poor coaching staff.

 

[El Gringo]

Of course Hawkins has developed talent. The names that come immediately to mind are:

Defense
- Jeff Smart
- Jimmy Smith
- Chap'pelle Brown
- Jalil Brown
- BJ Beatty
- Marcus Burton

Offense
- Ryan Miller
- Scotty McKnight
- Rodney Stewart


Where development has been the biggest issue IMO is WR, QB and DL.

I'd say his record is incomplete at WR. McNight has done well, but cody does ...

EDIT... does not look for anyone else.

 

[absinthe]

Is that lack of development on Danny boy or on the assistants and position coaches?

 

[Junction]

Is that lack of development on Danny boy or on the assistants and position coaches?

Yes

 

[SBG]

Is that lack of development on Danny boy or on the assistants and position coaches?

Both. However, since he is the HC then it's his responsibility to get the guys in there to teach them the proper fundamentals.

 

[77buff]

Jason Espinoza, Jeff Smart
With more gifted players - no.

 

[BlackNGold]

Of course Hawkins has developed talent. The names that come immediately to mind are:

Defense
- Jeff Smart
- Jimmy Smith
- Chap'pelle Brown
- Jalil Brown
- BJ Beatty
- Marcus Burton

Offense
- Ryan Miller
- Scotty McKnight
- Rodney Stewart


Where development has been the biggest issue IMO is WR, QB and DL.

I would argue that Ryan Miller came in as one of the most heralded recruits around. He is in his 3rd year in the program, he should be a dominating player. He is slightly better than his first year but far from developed to his potential. Ditto for Jimmy Smith.

 

[buffsfan01]

all the talent sit on the bench.....

 

[77buff]

Of course Hawkins has developed talent. The names that come immediately to mind are:

Defense
- Jeff Smart
- Jimmy Smith
- Chap'pelle Brown
- Jalil Brown
- BJ Beatty
- Marcus Burton

Offense
- Ryan Miller
- Scotty McKnight
- Rodney Stewart


Where development has been the biggest issue IMO is WR, QB and DL.

I really don't think any of those players would start for Texas or OU, or even see significant playing time.

 

[TheRoyale90]

I really don't think any of those players would start for Texas or OU, or even see significant playing time.

Cha'pelle would as a nickelback. He's a good player. Speedy could play for anyone. I think you know this. When you take into account the handicap of the line he's running behind he's played lights out. Miller is a giant so he'd probably get some PT just based on that.