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Has Hawkins Actually Developed Any Talent at CU?

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by NuggNinja, Oct 3, 2009.

  1. NuggNinja

    NuggNinja New Member

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    I saw this question posed on a blog and it really made me think. Some people are really down on Darrell Scott and Cody (to just name a few) but I'm hard pressed to think of anyone who has really gotten much better from the time they started under Hawkins to the time they finished.
     
  2. Mick Ronson

    Mick Ronson Well-Known Member

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    Dizon and Wheatley are still the two best players to suit up under Dan...and they are Barnett guys. Hugh Charles maybe a distant 3rd best.
     
  3. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    There have got to be examples. Off the top of my head, I can think of several guys that played well as freshmen, disappeared for a year or two for whatever reason, and then got back to their freshman level. But I'm drawing a blank on guys that really had a great linear progression. In fairness, most of the guys we could look at are just progressions from their RS-freshman to their sophomore years.
     
  4. BlackNGold

    BlackNGold Club Member Club Member

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    I would say BJ Beatty, Burton this year
     
  5. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Burton I'd put in the group that looked good, regressed, and then got it back.

    Beatty's a good call.
     
  6. Dunken

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    I would say NO, we dont see any of them play any amount of time on the field to show the talent....
     
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    Juicebox knows only how to teach life skills and blue collar work ethics. He doesnt know shhit about how to coach up players.
     
  8. ThndringHerd

    ThndringHerd Well-Known Member

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    Same basic gripe I had with GnuWeasel. Guys showing up on campus looking like they should be worldbeaters by the time they were upperclassmen. Just never happened.

    I think it's Hawk's whole zen thing. Good for inner peace, BAD for football.
     
  9. Clean Undies

    Clean Undies Flagship of the 12-Pac Club Member

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    Of course Hawkins has developed talent. The names that come immediately to mind are:

    Defense
    - Jeff Smart
    - Jimmy Smith
    - Chap'pelle Brown
    - Jalil Brown
    - BJ Beatty
    - Marcus Burton

    Offense
    - Ryan Miller
    - Scotty McKnight
    - Rodney Stewart


    Where development has been the biggest issue IMO is WR, QB and DL.
     
  10. JimmyBuff

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    Not really and that's an indictment on his recruiting and his piss poor coaching staff.
     
  11. El Gringo

    El Gringo Pura Vida Club Member

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    I'd say his record is incomplete at WR. McNight has done well, but cody does ...

    EDIT... does not look for anyone else.
     
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  12. absinthe

    absinthe Ambitious but rubbish. Club Member Junta Member

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    Is that lack of development on Danny boy or on the assistants and position coaches?
     
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    Junction Moderator Club Member

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    Yes
     
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    SBG Formerly known as EFNMB Club Member Junta Member

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    Both. However, since he is the HC then it's his responsibility to get the guys in there to teach them the proper fundamentals.
     
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    77buff Well-Known Member

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    Jason Espinoza, Jeff Smart
    With more gifted players - no.
     
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  16. BlackNGold

    BlackNGold Club Member Club Member

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    I would argue that Ryan Miller came in as one of the most heralded recruits around. He is in his 3rd year in the program, he should be a dominating player. He is slightly better than his first year but far from developed to his potential. Ditto for Jimmy Smith.
     
  17. buffsfan01

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    all the talent sit on the bench.....
     
  18. 77buff

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    I really don't think any of those players would start for Texas or OU, or even see significant playing time.
     
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    Cha'pelle would as a nickelback. He's a good player. Speedy could play for anyone. I think you know this. When you take into account the handicap of the line he's running behind he's played lights out. Miller is a giant so he'd probably get some PT just based on that.
     

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