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Henderson's article

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by buffaholic, Aug 30, 2009.

  1. buffaholic

    buffaholic Club Member Club Member

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    Actually, not too bad - certainly not what I expected when I saw the headline.

    http://www.denverpost.com/ci_13231988?source=rss

    Klatt is neutral and makes valid points once again. Pesavento is looking to create a stir and is a COMPLETE DB. I get that these are Barnett guys. Hawkins didn't do in Barnett. I will be pissed if KOA puts him on again this year on game day. Dude, GB is NOT coming back!

    Pesavento "He's going into his fourth year. He has all his kids now". I'd agree if there were any players from the Jr and Sr classes who could play. The top-25 teams have 8-11 starters on each side of the ball from those two classes. CU has basically 2-3 guys. Barnett's last class and Hawkin's first class added together wouldn't cut it in the WAC. Valid argument starting next year.

    Article points out that the optimism for this year revolves around the O-Line. It will be the youngest in the country. This veteran line will feature:

    LT - moved to O-Line, one year experience, JR
    LG - Soph - no previous starts, limited plays, SO
    C - new position, first college snap will be vs. CSU, SO
    RG - new position, SO
    RT - first college snap will be vs. CSU, FR

    The 2nd team features NO upperclassmen.

    Pesavento comes off like he was spurned by CU for a coaching job or something.

    The reality is that Hawk's guys are now Sophomores with only a couple Juniors and one Senior in the program. Does anyone remember 70-3. Were the last three B-12 North titles we won impressive? We were slightly better than ISU and squeaked in twice when they couldn't win a game they should have won to win the title. The program was slipping mightily, following the entire Northern Division down.

    Another good point I thought is this isn't like Mac's day when USC was on their butts and we could pilfer SoCal. There are a lot of teams fighting now for USC's discards. Same in Texas after OU and UT pick thru the talent.

    Sick of Pesavento. Objective journalism from Klatt is fine. Pesavento is a moron.
     
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  2. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    :yeahthat: I agree with your take entirely, but wow, BP came off baaad.
     
  3. BuffsNYC

    BuffsNYC Uptown Club Member

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    I thought the most interesting part of the article was Hypolite's, Dizon's, and
    Geer's remarks about the difference between Barnett and Hawk. Barnett often went pretty far with the emotional appeals--remember threatening to take the Buffalo off the helmet--while Hawk and his teams seem almost preternaturally calm. I sort of thought that Hawk was intentionally dialing down the emotion because his teams were so young and inexperienced and he feared they would miss assignments if too fired up, but it seems that this is how he coaches all the time.
     
  4. Bill Cody

    Bill Cody Well-Known Member

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    I think that it is more of Hawkins style that he pushes guys hard all of the time but doesn't want them to get too high or too low emotionally. Just remain consistent and always pushing in a certain direction.

    I believe that there is definitely validity to this tactic....especially with college kids. Both ways work IMO
     
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  5. buffaholic

    buffaholic Club Member Club Member

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    agree that those three players who played under both had interesting things to say. Best Henderson article I've read actually.

    I played under both types and the problem with the hyper-emotional tactic is getting it to work over a long season. I would state that Barnett's teams tended to over-achieve a bit but failed against the big boys mightily. 70-3 was ugly, and I think "emotions" ran short by that game and they caved in. I personally like the even-keel approach. Professionals at all times - get your job done. Emotions take care of themselves in big games. On the other hand, Montana State anyone? Can work both ways and it's a good debate.
     
  6. stampy

    stampy Well-Known Member

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    It seems to me that the media has Hawkins on a shorter leash than the actual fan base does.
     
  7. Bill Cody

    Bill Cody Well-Known Member

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    Agree. I would say that it is likely their response to him being "closed off" to the media. They HAVE to report something on the Buffs at this time of the year. Like it or not....this is all they have to talk about at this point in time.
     
  8. FlatironsBuff

    FlatironsBuff Club Member Club Member

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    That's because the fan base does not have to figure out something to write about to get a paycheck every day. Does Hawks teams need to start winning more? Yep. Is the depth better now than it has been for about 5-6 years? Yep. Will CU win 10 games? Possible, although 7-8 plus a bowl game is more likely. Anything over that and I am very happy. And I think he will get it done and the media will be loving him again after this year. We were young with not much experience going into last year and I have never followed a team that lost so many starters in one season. Not an excuse-- this was reality. We knew the team was very young and had no depth-- so the reality is that we could have had a very bad year last year. As it is, we were one made FG by NU away from a bowl game. Now, more depth, more talent, more depth. Should be a year that will make every Buff fan (except Syko and Jimmy) fairly happy.:smile2:
     
  9. aik

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    Doesn't surprise me... Mike Moschetti was also a Defensive Back once. :smile2:
     

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  10. Liver

    Liver modded mod Club Member Junta Member

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    former players (some of them) are as impatient as the fans. what's the big deal? if you think pez was down on the state of the Buffs, some of the Mac era players are even more critical.

    win. that's all. win.

    henderson is a d-bag but it wasn't an unfair article.

    it is time to produce on the field. luckily, i think the team takes a huge step forward this year.
     
  11. buffsyko

    buffsyko Club Member Club Member

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    Yes, how dare former buff players expect cu to win, the horror. :rolleyes:
     
  12. LilBunky

    LilBunky Guest

    No, its: How dare a former Buff player state things like a D-bag, cuz he loves the former HC more than Hawk, particularly when the former HC left the program in a shambles, mostly of his own doing!!!
     
  13. AlferdJasper

    AlferdJasper Well-Known Member

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    As always, Henderson does his homework.

    :yeahright:
     
  14. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    I think several posters have been saying similar things all offseason. Do not really see any issues.
     
  15. buffaholic

    buffaholic Club Member Club Member

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    I don't have a problem with former players having an opinion. I have a problem when they are trying to make a career out of it. Dude doesn't know his facts if you listened to post-games on KOA last year. He's decided to be aggressive and use an anti-Hawk M.O. to get noticed as a potential broadcaster. Jim Rome, he is not.
     
  16. buffsyko

    buffsyko Club Member Club Member

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    That's where your wrong. Know the difference between me being critical and questioning my loyalty or happiness. Last I checked, not too many fans of any program would be happy with 3 straight losing seasons. It was supposed to be 2008, now 2009.

    I saw the smiley face, I get it.:smile2:
     
  17. LilBunky

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    Just where did anybody say "Its gonna happen in 2008"???

    WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot??

    Anybody with a room temp IQ recognized you don't make up GB's shambles in two years! Remember "no QB with any gameday experience" (thanks to pissing away Klatt's RS year for four hand-offs in the 4th qtr of a sewn-up win vs. Baylor) Or "only 6 O-linemen"? Or howsabout only "4 schollie LBs" last year? Or no DL actually recruitedby GB???(Hypo was a RB and Nicolas a transfer) Or huge gaps in depth and class balance??? Or GB failing to show up in recruiting TX for how many years???

    CU was gonna make that all up in just two friggin 'years??

    Jes' wot planet you from, GP???
     
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  18. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    :rolleyes:

    In less than 200 posts, you have officially become the most annoying poster on this site. That is a job well done.
     
  19. buffsyko

    buffsyko Club Member Club Member

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    He was GTBthe king at netbuffs, same schtick.
     
  20. buffsyko

    buffsyko Club Member Club Member

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    You did, along with many others at netbuffs. Well except for gateway, you know, granny cement .
     
  21. Daaah

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    BCS was pretty annoying pretty quick.
     
  22. buffaholic

    buffaholic Club Member Club Member

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    This team looks pretty deep from the Sophomore class on down. The JR/SR classes are way too thin compared to Kansas, not to mention UT/OU. 70-3 and no recruiting classes will take some solid steps to fix, there are no short cuts.
     
  23. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    Oh goody. The "we're a young football team" argument is creeping its way back into the football forum again. Sweet!
     
  24. buffsyko

    buffsyko Club Member Club Member

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    :huh: :thumbsup:
     
  25. buffaholic

    buffaholic Club Member Club Member

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    Boulder Buff - ignore reality if you want, but a fact is a fact. Who are the best guys on our team and how many of them are 4-5 year guys? Compare that to the favored teams in the Big 12, where you will see few guys with less than 3 years on campus playing much.

    Did anyone see those recruiting classes we got while GB announced to the world that Katie Hnida couldn't kick? Did anyone notice that bevy of talent in (now in their 4th and 5th year here) that were itching to come here while Boulder was accusing our team of being sexual predators? How about the accusations that Boulder was racist? That makes it easy to get guys to come here. How about 70-3 during primetime? Made a lot of kids want to be a Buff?

    If we don't win 8 games, fire Hawk now. I'm sure there's a D-2 coach somewhere who'd love to come here and deal with this community.

    I count 2 Seniors and 3 Juniors in our top 22 or so on offense...that includes at least one walkon and the coaches kid.
     
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  26. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    It is not too much to expect Hawk to actually coach our team up a bit this year, is it? Goddamn, it gets annoying that we're hearing the same argument again. When does that stop becoming a crutch? 2010? 2011?

    It has been mentioned before, but part of the depth issue stems from us undersigning the last couple years. Why does Hawk get a free pass for us being well under the scholarship limit in year four of his tenure. We signed 20 guys in the 2009 class and three of them did not make it to campus. You think that might be hurting depth too? Nah, couldn't be. All has to be evil Barnett.

    Hawk is not going to get fired, we'll have a nice season IMO. We have to show something on the field this year because you know recruiting will suffer if we do not.
     
  27. zbuff

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    Here's the 2-deep from the "post spring" depth chart dated June 15. I think your point is it's too early to start with the excuses and I agree, but a sophomore-dominated team is a young team, wouldn't you agree?

    totals: sr (9, 16%), jr (16, 29%), soph (24, 44%), rs fr (5, 9%), fr (1, 2%)

    offense
    wr(x) - soph, rs fr
    wr(z) - jr, soph
    lt - jr, rs fr
    lg - soph, soph
    c - soph, jr
    rg - soph, soph
    rt - rs fr, soph
    te - sr, sr
    qb - jr, soph
    tb - jr, soph
    fb - sr, sr

    defense
    de(l) - jr, soph
    dt - sr, rs fr
    nt - soph, jr
    de(r) - soph, soph
    ilb(m) - sr, jr
    ilb(w) - sr, sr
    olb - jr, rs fr
    cb(l) - jr, jr
    fs - soph, soph
    ss - soph, soph
    cb(r) - sr, fr

    special teams
    p - sr, soph
    k - jr, soph
    k return - soph, soph
    p return - soph, soph
    holder - jr, jr
    short snapper - sr, jr
    long snapper - sr, jr
     
  28. Unleash Hell

    Unleash Hell Well-Known Member

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    We might be young, be we are experienced enough that anything less than 7 wins with the schedule is gonna be a dissapoinment. A lot of our young guys now have experience. It's time to put up or shut up right now in 2009! 10-NO excuses!!!!
     
  29. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    To a point. But silly me for thinking we have been playing several true freshmen the last few years to get them experience. Apparently not though.

    Again, buffaholic is free to think that everyone should be happy if we manage to win six games this year, but I doubt you're going to be able to sell that as "success" to recruits out there, let alone the fans.
     
  30. Unleash Hell

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    My point! 6 wins with this schedule is not gonna be pretty! Hell, even 7 might be iffy.
     

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