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Discussion in 'Colorado Basketball Message Board' started by rosstr, Jan 12, 2013.

  1. rosstr

    rosstr Well-Known Member

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    Dinwiddie 23, Booker 18, Scott 18, Johnson 8.

    Everyone else: 5

    That's 2 freshmen and 2 sophomores. With the youth and lack of size/physicality, I think our expectations were too high. We are thin and inexperienced across all the board. Hope we develop a late push into the top 4 of the Pac12 and sneak an at large bid.
     
  2. tante

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    I will give you the bench excuse but not the youth one. UCLA started 3 freshman today.
     
  3. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    I believe that "everyone else" = "Dre".

    We've got 5 guys who can average double figures the rest of the way. Very few teams have that.

    We just need a little bit from the rest of the team and this is a very good Buffs squad.
     
  4. CVilleBuff

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    The question is just how far are we from getting (even somewhat consistently) that "little bit" from the rest of the team.
     
  5. tante

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    The only people on the roster that might be able to help are Gordon and/or Jenkins. Since we have seen the rest of the roster. That kid from New Mexico might help a bit next season too.
     
  6. BehindEnemyLines

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    Free throws.
     
  7. Tractor

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    I'm starting to think it's a conditioning thing. We SUCK in the second half of games.

    We SUCK in the second half probably because we only have about 3 guys who can play consistently well at this level right now (Mayor, Dre, Jelly). Those 3 have to play A-LOT.

    Come on XJ. Come on Stalzer. Come on Simba. Gotta step your games up!
     
  8. Zachsquatch

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    This may be a matter of conditioning, but did anyone find the timing of many substitutions strange on Saturday?

    Sitting Jelly for the last 2 minutes of the first half when he was not in foul trouble (as far as I recall at least). I also feel like XJ should get some more minutes as he plays with more emotion than a lot of the other guys seem to do, especially when we are losing.

    I have faith in Tad and need to be careful how much I let a loss affect my emotions, but just wanted to share some thoughts.
     
  9. Darth Snow

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    Tad has decided that he can't win with a rotation of six, so it's time for the bench to step up. We will see how it works out.
     
  10. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    We significantly outshot UCLA from the line - percentage and opportunities.
     
  11. jwhite17

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    Why can't people accept the fact UCLA is much better than us? I think every single player they have is at least a four star top 100 recruit. I THey have at least six McDonalds All-Americans. We have two top 100 recruits on our roster (Scott/XJ). Dinwiddie and Roberson probably should have been rated in the top 100, but besides that, we don't have that great of defensive talent to compete with a team as good on offense as UCLA.

    We lost because Travis Wear had the game of his life, and our guys couldn't get a stop when we needed it. We actually made our FTs at a decent clip. We didn't lose because Shabazz/Adams/Anderson went off. Actually, we did a pretty good job of them considering how talented they are.

    I feel like we need ONE more guy to step up. X Johnson can provide 6-10 ppg/3-5rebounds, but we need Chen to give us more offense or someone off the bench to give us 3-5 ppg. That's what is killing us. We are relying on our starters to play WAY too many minutes.
     
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    So much better that we were favored at home
     
  13. jwhite17

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    Well, I think that was due to UCLA not playing any road games till this last road trip, so the people in Vegas didn't know how to give the spread, so they the Buffs a few points.

    Either way, it isn't a bad loss. UCLA will probably finish top 2 in the Pac 12 this year.

    We can recover if we win one road game this week.
     
  14. Buffalo Brad

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    I did find it interesting that UCLA seemed to want to run more than we did. The Buffs seemed to be the team that wanted to slow it down and UCLA was better in transition. They wanted to run and I kept hoping we would go up tempo and try to run them out of the gym. They are much deeper than the Buffs and that might have been the reason. Tad may not have wanted to run his top 5 to 6 because he knows we are going to struggle if we go deep into the bench.
     
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    Adams is a disappointment. Although not a huge difference from last year, he's not offensively productive.

    Talton and Stalzer aren't lighting it up, but we have 2 freshmen playing very well. And another two redshirting. That's not bad.

    It comes down to a legit 6th and 7th man and it was supposed to be Adams in one of those spots, and it's not happening.

    In terms of usefulness:

    1. Scott
    2. Dre
    3. Dinwiddie
    4. Booker
    5. XJ
    6. Chen

    7. No one/4 way tie
     
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    Hoping Stalzer can talk to Knutson and develop his outside shot so we have a 3pt specialist off the bench. I don't see him as a pg. Another Levi would be great though.
     
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    Still need to be more consistent. If teams want to employ hack-a-shaq strategy, or for when they go to the rabbit game, the Buffs need to make them pay by consistently hitting the FT's.
     
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    Adams had his best game of the year on saturday. He played great D on Shabazz, he should have got more minutes the way he was playing D, why not give him a shot on T.Wear.
     
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    yup. He earned himself another 5 minutes in the next game. That's the kind of energy you have to have off the bench!
     
  20. NashBuff

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    We are not getting the FTs in...it's like a football team not having the ability to convert third and short into first downs on the ground.

    FREETHROWS!
    FREETHROWS!
    FREETHROWS!
    FREETHROWS!
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  21. Buffnik

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    That's kind of our problem. We have 3 guys we can bring in who can do something. What they can do is play some defense. But our offense becomes horrible when more than 1 of them is in the game at the same time. And there's no way in hell we can survive any game time with both Mayor and Ski on the bench. Our depth at guard is the big issue this season.
     
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    Thats what I'm getting at. His D has always been good. But offensively, we can't have more than 1 sub in at a time or the O grinds to a halt.

    Either we let Adams post up and see what happens there, or set up Stalzer to knock down threes. Someone has to have an offensive identity off the bench.

    I'm not sure what Talton's offensive game looks like so haven't included him as an option.
     
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    I agree and I don't.....I certainly agree that what comes off the bench can't contribute offensively, but I don't necessarily think our guard depth is the issue, IMO Tad's offense relies on 1 on 1 guard play to create offensive opportunity. Only Ski and Dinwiddie are able to do that consistently. But even the offense when they are in the game is less than ideal. Something in the offensive scheme needs to change.

    Think about last year, when Brown struggled so did the team, the offense just relies way to much on individual guard play. The year before that Alec and Cory were able to create enough to compete. It is just interesting that Tad seems to like to recruit athletic wings but doesn't have an offense that can exploit their talents. (getting out on the break, slashing to the hoop and creating mis-matches)
     
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    And those three had 14 stars between them. We won't see two of the three, or maybe all three, next time UCLA is in town.

    Didn't get beat by their Frosh anyway, but by that NoCar transfer who got unconsciously "hot". He was knocking them down even with a hand in his face. Kid hits his normal percentage of shots and Buffs win.
     
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    Hit 74% FTs vs UCLA, that's acceptable for college ball. It was the FG % that sucked.

    Question is: where was Dre offensively? 5 pts., really? He's supposed to average a double double and he gives 'em 5 pts.? He's a Jr and knows what needs to be done.

    Kiss this year's lottery goodbye Dre.
     
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    Bingo. Listen to this guy.
     
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    It took us missing a corner 3pt at the buzzer to not send this into OT. Yes, UCLA is good, but they're not much better than us. If that was the case, we would have lost by double digits and not clawed our way back into it.
     
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    ^^^^^this^^^^^
     

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